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News Couple lost on Mt Buffalo

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by emkae, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. emkae

    emkae One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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  2. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Good weather to be lost in.....let’s hope they have not slipped and fallen...sprained a ankle ?

    Pity they have not it lit a fire .....one would assume 4G telestra signal is pretty strong around there.
     
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    Bits of bush the other side of Catani are very thick, and there are so many multiple spots with large drop-offs. Tough going and low local visibility. You could be within 5 metres of someone and not see them.

    If either or both are injured or unconscious it would be tough. Also, not always many obvious water sources away from the obvious creek lines. So it could be tough.

    In my opinion the only way to cut through in this kind of search is a helicopter with infra-red scanning capacity - the tech. they used to find Tim Holding on Feathertop:

    https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/3642652/the-secret-flight-behind-holdings-rescue/

    PLBs/ EPIRBs should be mandatory i.m.o.
     
  4. teckel

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    Such technology is not available for mere mortals. :(
     
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  5. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I reckon it’s probably cost-effective.

    A drone equipped with infra-red, vs 80+ people in the field for 3/ 4 days - it’s got to be close to break-even....
     
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    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    A lot of the 80+ people would be volunteers, and hence free. The Vic govt exploits makes much use of volunteers in preference to paid people.
     
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    Anyone can buy FLIR.
     
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  8. Chaeron

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    The hidden costs to all in SES/ CFA/ BSAR is massive. If one adds in ParksVIC, DSE & VICPOL & ambulance costs I reckon the costs in searches are massive.

    There’s a case for a state-driven insurance scheme to recover at least some of these costs without crippling those of us who venture outdoors.
     
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  9. Chaeron

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    BSAR would do well to invest in drone tech. with FLIR. Would save lives.
     
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    You were right first time Tekel Exploits is what they do. Not even the small break on vehicle registration which was an election promise.
     
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  11. teckel

    teckel Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    We find that in fatal car accidents, after the coroner's left, the police skidaddle, leaving the vols from SES and CFA to remove the body. The police are trained and paid for that. Vols get used. Err.. the F in CFA stands for 'fire', not 'free'. Oh, they do offer us trauma counselling. Big deal.
     
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    Wait until the work cover claims for PTSD start coming in. My mate and next door neighbour is SES and I am starting too hear rumbles of discontent, most people didn't sign up to do line searches looking for evidence in homicide cases for example but because they are "Volunteers" they are so much cheaper than using police cadets
     
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  13. Bogong

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    BSAR are a rather strange group. Years ago when some mates and I were running a large hiking club, we sent a dozen of our best people to check out a BSAR training weekend. Without defaming them, I'll just say that the reports were pretty negative saying they were very condescending to our highly experienced people, rather bureaucratic, they used lots of incomprehensible acronyms and had a rather military structure of ranks. They also appeared to be suspicious of any technology introduced after about 1970.

    We concluded that the SES were more efficient and some of our people joined them instead. Personally I wonder why BSAR don't become a division of the SES, that would give them the critical mass they currently lack while allowing them to retain some autonomy. It would also push them into being more friendly to volunteers.

    But that was about 12 years ago, so perhaps they have changed?
     
  14. Chaeron

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    In the KNP the rangers offer bushwalkers a PLB to use as a matter of policy. I don't think it looks good for these two. It is day four of the search. It is nippy up there at night and in terms of finding water and having sufficient food they may have run out a while ago. Some of the bush away from the tracks is dense and there are some steep drops off large boulders.
     
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    Lets just say that after a weekend music festival.....first weekend away with mrs mr without kids in 15 years.....im not really up to it!! :)
     
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  18. Chaeron

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    Hope it was a good one!
     
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  19. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Team Bears have fingers crossed that they are found shortly ......
     
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    Without a PLB I think their goose may be cooked.
     
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    Have observed similar first hand on the beaches in NSW.
     
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    a friend in SES tells horrible stories of collecting body parts after a train track suicide. I can't believe that volunteers are used for some of these activities.
     
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    I arrived at a drowning couple of years back. (been to a few)
    cops standing there watching . arms folded.
    member of the public banging away cpr.
    I arrived tag teamed , breaking ribs, dealt with the family....
    cops just observed.
    I guess they have their motives as it's day to day for them ….
     
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  24. Ubiquitous Steve

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    That fluro yellow uniform is sure a piss off....
     
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    F'ck, I so feel for their family...never give up hope!
     
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  26. CaptainC

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    Yes, but I suppose it's for visibility.
     
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    Gee, starting to feel worried myself.
    Anine can stranded for night maybe two. But four is really starting push odds.

    My experience of the nearby North Buffalo Plateau walk in ~ Dec 03’ (?) just orior to the alpine fire outbreak, was that any real progress of track was nigh impossible - the undergrowth just so thick. W. Prom-like.

    And the intervening 15 years would have seen bush grow thicker than ever.

    ...dont mean to sound too gloomy (always hope).
    But its a hell of a spot to wander off trail???

    Xing all my fingers for a safe return!!
     
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    Except for the CFA...
     
  29. teckel

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    ??
     
  30. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    Yes, the N. Buffalo plateau is a wild place and off track it would be tough going.
     
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    A friends' cousin is one of the missing. They're apparently experienced hikers and it's all very uncharacteristic.
     
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  32. Ubiquitous Steve

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    So what is current weather in Bright?Melb had little change drop through this morning...it’s coolishthis morning in Melb with a little rain..
     
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    Apparently been found alive
     
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    Both alive and uninjured. Found by "canoeists".
     
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    Found at buffalo river. Bush bashed their way down the hill?
     
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    Fn ....good! They must have walked a long way....to get to a river??
    It’s ganna be a good story when we get the details ......;)
    Now the Parks can get back to fire fighting and coordinating Vols doing track clearing !!

    Were they meant to be on a track.?...one of those mystery overgrown little National Park No’s???Good thing it’s not Wilson’s Prom or they would be up for a few days of overnight walk fees!:whistle:
     
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  38. Ubiquitous Steve

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    But good publicity for Mt Buffalo.....never mind the Glamper Camping ....this bushbashing phenomena could become a craze !:whistle:
     
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    I'm sure coordination of the S&R would have been so much easier with an operational Chalet!
     
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    I had not thought of that angle! But ....yes..that sounds good!:thumbs:
     
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    Ask him in about 9 months LOL
     
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    ....whether my 10 yo vasectomy has suddenly failed...
     
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    Its what she did after ou passed out that is of concern. ;)
     
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    I did not expect to see that those lost walkers would be found.
     
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    Maybe the chalet lobby groups could push that line.
    It was the failed search for Stephen Crean in 1985 which stopped NSW destroying huts. (Yeah, sure his father and 2 brothers were all politicians, but ...)
     
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    Seeing as Buffalo is ring fenced by cleared land it may have been the most logical choice for them to make once the descent had begun. they knew they'd eventually reach a farm or a, canoeist.
     
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  48. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Well the walkers have commented about the state of the track they were on....till the “experienced hikers”could no longer follow it.....that seems to indicate that the state of the track was not crash hot.
    So maybe Parks could concentrate on track maintenance for a bit!

    But politics aside it’s a good outcome for everybody .......:whistle:
     
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    and as the nights have been getting cooler, losing altitude was a good idea too
     
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  50. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...s-lost-in-the-wild/ar-BBUEkrE?ocid=spartandhp

    I would ask where was your map, compass and PLB?
    Did they have even one bar of mob. ph. coverage to send a message to 000?

    No experienced hiker or ski tourer goes out into the wild without a map and compass.

    The news report in the weblink provided shows that their car was left at the Reservoir car park but they ended up way down off the plateau closer to Myrtleford . This is one reason why the search and rescue teams did not locate them. They won't be doing that again......