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Question Dead Horse Gap Avy Risk?

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by NewTurns, Jul 14, 2016.

  1. NewTurns

    NewTurns One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Was planning a car shuttle and DHG side country adventure for wife and kid tomorrow morning? Thought a quick query to the collective brains trust re any areas to watch out for or if not a good idea given the loading out there?
     
  2. dawooduck

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    I would have thought wind scour would be a bigger problem.
     
  3. sbm

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    No problem at all I'd think, it's not steep enough. I'd be a bit more concerned about navigation - do your best to stay right on the crest of the ridge for as long as you can, if you drop off to either side (especially avoid dropping too far skier's left), you can end up in thick, steeper trees that the wife & kid may not appreciate.
     
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  4. Kletterer

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    Gimp reported it to be Boilerplate up high.
     
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  5. NewTurns

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    Good intel. The wind scour for sure.... see what the morning holds. ...
     
  6. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Beautiful up there today. No avi risk, as Sbm say too shallow to slide unless in some of the gullies maybe. Good skin track up from the road (unless the snowshoers I saw heading off this avo trashed it, but it was fairly solid. Not sure wife and kids would enjoy the tight trees and deep snow though. Or were you coming from Karels? Another cruiser option is head up the cascades trail for a km or so and turn left up the glades leading to the ridge overlooking Thredas.
     
  7. NewTurns

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    Was going to shuttle a car up early and take them down from Karel's...all very solid skiers but just wanted to give them a taste of side country.
     
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  8. NewTurns

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    Fun all round for the fam.!
     
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  9. Gimp

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    4 down cascades ridge about 11.30?
     
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    NewTurns One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep. We had not much of an idea but thanks to tips stayed high and landed right on the run out to the bridge.
     

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    Well done, looked like a very excellent day for an adventure.
     
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  12. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    You got some nice untracked turns in before the traverse across thru the trees. Next time I'd hang a bit more left higher still from where you dropped into that glade
     
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    NewTurns One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks @Gimp. First time down and it is a surprisingly big ridge line and so many possible lines...also some big fat pow skis would have been handy too...
     
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  14. touroz

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    Have seen Thredbo slide to Skiers Right of Cruiser before, on high traverse to Gunbarrel. 11/08. Same aspect and elevation as DHG so BC would have same risk of sliding. Every slope can slide, don
    t write any off (particularly with wind loading on top of ice sheets)
     
  15. Andy W

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    Hi all.Is Dead Horse Gap easy enough to navigate from Karels? I understand you head across the top of the bowl, staying high as possible then head left of the range/ridgeline, again staying high but on the left? When the cascades carpark comes into view youre pretty much home yeah? Also, is leatherbarrel creek on the way?Is it worth dropping down into there for a play and hiking out or is it on the other side of the range?
    Cheers in advance.
     
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    Yes easy to find in good visibility.
    No leatherbarrel is the other way and you need to be competent as its a tempation to ski down and not enjoy the long climb out.Also avoid descending rock couloirs they wont have cover.
     
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    You need waaaay more cover than is presently the case to make it even slightly enjoyable.

     
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  18. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I like to stay high longer, drop a line into Bogong, before a short boot climb back onto the Ski School ridge.

    Dont drop over the other side of the ridge, it takes forever to get back up or around.
     
  19. Andy W

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    Ahh i think i meant bogong? Cheers, yes doing it in August so hopefully alot more cover and some nice freshies!!
     
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  20. Andy W

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    Yes Bongong sound nice, will definently drop a line into there.
    Worse comes to worse i guess you hit the cascades trail and walk back to the villiage?
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its usual to arrange a car at the Cascades carpark. If you are going to ski back to the resort, Id just poke around Ramshead.
     
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  22. Andy W

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    Yeah will be leaving a car with some beverages at cascades for sure. Awesome! cheers for the feedback everyone, the snow is coming!!
     
  23. Townsend

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    There is no where near enough snow a present. The other thing is that you do get off the ridge it is a very dense bush bash out. Have heard of people who got ‘suckered in to the sucker hole’ take three hours to get down to the track.
     
  24. telecrag

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    Haha, got suckered, with Jax. Dont go there!
     
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    Wish I had been in the car park, bubbly in hand, when you emerged!
     
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    Yeah Bogong is not super steep but fun in fast snow.
     
  27. Gimp

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    Unless it's a big year like last. Lines south of Sat peak were sweet, with a little skin back thru the GC.
     
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  28. Andy W

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    Na not doing it now, will be up in August.Will definently try to avoid the bush bash.
     
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    Was up there on Saturday. No good. Very icy up top and very poor cover. Still a fun hike tho.
     
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    Sometimes it’s full of little kids!

    Looking down the ridge.
    Cat herding, Thredbo kids ski school DHG run.
     
  31. Gimp

    Gimp One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    The little knoll middle ground above the two kids in blue leaning rightis the crux, can be challenging on a board for newbies getting around it. It's also where the suckering begins.
     
  32. Andy W

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    Iwas just thinking how nice that looked and wondering why no one was in there scoring freshies.
    So stay away from that area? How far into the run is this?
     
  33. Andy W

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    No,Apologies, for some reason i was thinking the untracked area top right, above the ski instructers head but yes i see the small pyramid shaped peak in centre of picture.Do you head left or right of this?
     
  34. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Up and over.
     
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    Anyone planning on being out in the Ramsheads Sunday week, weather permitting?
     
  36. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Its always a possibility.
     
  37. Laska Goralska

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    good to know telecrag, I might hit you up if that's the case. I'm keen to get out there and will be around next Sunday, so if you fancy some company on a little side country detour you can let me know if a flick you a PM closer to next week.
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sounds good, Whippet may be interested also. I think we have some friends skiing Thredbo that day also though. Might be able to organise a vehicle drop, and do a way out wide, end at DHG proper run.
     
  39. Laska Goralska

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    Wonderful, I'll get in touch.
     
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  40. Andy W

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    Sweet, Cheers.
     
  41. Andy W

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    Anyone up at Thredbo? How's She looking after the dumping?
    4 weeks to go, getting pumped!!