Question DEBATE - Definition of Subtropics for the purpose of this forum.

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on my cheap mobile it doesn't display in portrait. i tried landscape out of interest and it does.(and I know your opinion on how many people use phones in landscape :) )
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ok, I'm not going to hack that now, will address for XF 2.0
I hate CSS with a vengeance. I avoid it as much as possible which makes me even worse at it when I can't avoid it. takes me10 secs to make a change but 3 hrs to find the line that needs changing
 
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me10 secs to make a change but 3 hrs to find the line that needs changing

I know,

Properly designed B.E.M classes combined with SASS compiling is fantastic. The code we got from Xfive for The Roar was brilliant. Soooo easy to manage what was otherwise a huge front end.
 

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I hate CSS with a vengeance. I avoid it as much as possible which makes me even worse at it when I can't avoid it. takes me10 secs to make a change but 3 hrs to find the line that needs changing


I’m impressed you know what css is - I have. No clue
 

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I think that list nails it my mind.
It also works well for cyclones. One of my grudges with WZ was needing to jump between cyclone and regional threads when events were going off with a bang.
 
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in websites, the idea is to separate the content from the look and feel. CSS is a necessary but horrible language used to do that at the most superficial level. you define styles that can be inherited by other pages etc, or overridden by more local styles. eg make all top level headings a particular shade of blue, but in this context make them purple. it gets so convoluted that it can be hard to know exactly which point you need to tweak so it won't be overriden by something else, but will still apply as broadly as you need
 
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Is Yeppoon in the subtropics? , wikipedia says "Southern Tropics" however the climate here to me isn't a proper tropical climate... Dry tropics ? - That's Townsville and Yeppoon?

I always thought Yeppoon had a subtropical climate not that different from say Bundaberg/Bargara (beachy parts of Bundaberg)
 

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Is Yeppoon in the subtropics? , wikipedia says "Southern Tropics" however the climate here to me isn't a proper tropical climate... Dry tropics ? - That's Townsville and Yeppoon?

I always thought Yeppoon had a subtropical climate not that different from say Bundaberg/Bargara (beachy parts of Bundaberg)

Where did Yeppoon go in WZ?

Tropical or SE Qld ??

IF Tropical there, then tropical here

If SE Qld there, Subtropics here.
 

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Is Yeppoon in the subtropics? , wikipedia says "Southern Tropics" however the climate here to me isn't a proper tropical climate... Dry tropics ? - That's Townsville and Yeppoon?

I always thought Yeppoon had a subtropical climate not that different from say Bundaberg/Bargara (beachy parts of Bundaberg)

Here's your answer;

 

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Perhaps it would be possible, given the broad geographic areas covered by a handful of subs, to have a thread label to locate/clue up/tag the threads?
May help give locations feels to a disparate sub forum area
I dunno
 

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Being on NSW CTs Iwant to watch alpine but snow for here and even say NTs seems to be lost. Not sure how to make it better either. Tablelands are not Sydney for example.

I feel for you Richard, not easy

Maybe the alpine section could have snow topic for cold areas not alpine in location? Keep all cold weather threads in “alpine”?
 

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Firstly, thanks for having us here!

Secondly, putting my meteorologist hat on here for a moment, anything with Adelaide and Perth in reference to a subtropical climate simply won't work as both are well away from that. Temperate is the proper classification for Adelaide with Perth being on the border of a temp/suntropical region however has a climate much closer to Adelaide than it does to Brisbane or Sydney being influenced by southern maritime air for the dominant weather drivers here.

A brief glance at the current weatherzone structure is all that is needed to solve any 'belonging' gripes. Tropical and Central will cover a swath of both wet more coastal regions and arid inland residents from Broome across the Top End including Darwin, Cairns, Townsville etc plus major inland centres like Alice Springs and Mount Isa.

SE QLD/NE NSW have a high number of residents and ex wz members and a unique climate with the more frequent number of supercell thunderstorms in the warmer months as opposed to any other area in the country.

NSW/ACT covers the rest of NSW pretty well bar that NE corner and includes Sydney and Canberra, again a fair swath of residents will be in these zones.

Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia are all pretty self explanatory and they govern themselves pretty well,

SW WA was created over WA due to the majority of the poster population occuring in that area, the rest was covered by Tropical and Central as well as the fact the climates are complete different.

Then there was Apline, NZ and World which again are self-explanatory. This worked and worked incredibly well but is just an example of course.

If you are going to create a new climatic zone as such then 'Southern Australia' proboably works well given the fact that the southern coastline of Australia experiences VERY similar weather from the far eastern parts of Victoria right down to the SW corner of WA and also covers 3 major capital cities where a majority of members will be from.

Couple of thoughts anyways...

TS :cool:
 

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Being on NSW CTs Iwant to watch alpine but snow for here and even say NTs seems to be lost. Not sure how to make it better either. Tablelands are not Sydney for example.

I feel for you Richard, not easy

Maybe the alpine section could have snow topic for cold areas not alpine in location? Keep all cold weather threads in “alpine”?


It was cold in Brisbane last week - they had jumpers on
 
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Firstly, thanks for having us here!

Secondly, putting my meteorologist hat on here for a moment, anything with Adelaide and Perth in reference to a subtropical climate simply won't work as both are well away from that. Temperate is the proper classification for Adelaide with Perth being on the border of a temp/suntropical region however has a climate much closer to Adelaide than it does to Brisbane or Sydney being influenced by southern maritime air for the dominant weather drivers here.

A brief glance at the current weatherzone structure is all that is needed to solve any 'belonging' gripes. Tropical and Central will cover a swath of both wet more coastal regions and arid inland residents from Broome across the Top End including Darwin, Cairns, Townsville etc plus major inland centres like Alice Springs and Mount Isa.

SE QLD/NE NSW have a high number of residents and ex wz members and a unique climate with the more frequent number of supercell thunderstorms in the warmer months as opposed to any other area in the country.

NSW/ACT covers the rest of NSW pretty well bar that NE corner and includes Sydney and Canberra, again a fair swath of residents will be in these zones.

Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia are all pretty self explanatory and they govern themselves pretty well,

SW WA was created over WA due to the majority of the poster population occuring in that area, the rest was covered by Tropical and Central as well as the fact the climates are complete different.

Then there was Apline, NZ and World which again are self-explanatory. This worked and worked incredibly well but is just an example of course.

If you are going to create a new climatic zone as such then 'Southern Australia' proboably works well given the fact that the southern coastline of Australia experiences VERY similar weather from the far eastern parts of Victoria right down to the SW corner of WA and also covers 3 major capital cities where a majority of members will be from.

Couple of thoughts anyways...

TS :cool:


If I’m watching snow between Hotham and Thredbo where do I go?
 

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Firstly, thanks for having us here!

Secondly, putting my meteorologist hat on here for a moment, anything with Adelaide and Perth in reference to a subtropical climate simply won't work as both are well away from that. Temperate is the proper classification for Adelaide with Perth being on the border of a temp/suntropical region however has a climate much closer to Adelaide than it does to Brisbane or Sydney being influenced by southern maritime air for the dominant weather drivers here.

A brief glance at the current weatherzone structure is all that is needed to solve any 'belonging' gripes. Tropical and Central will cover a swath of both wet more coastal regions and arid inland residents from Broome across the Top End including Darwin, Cairns, Townsville etc plus major inland centres like Alice Springs and Mount Isa.

SE QLD/NE NSW have a high number of residents and ex wz members and a unique climate with the more frequent number of supercell thunderstorms in the warmer months as opposed to any other area in the country.

NSW/ACT covers the rest of NSW pretty well bar that NE corner and includes Sydney and Canberra, again a fair swath of residents will be in these zones.

Victoria, Tasmania and South Australia are all pretty self explanatory and they govern themselves pretty well,

SW WA was created over WA due to the majority of the poster population occuring in that area, the rest was covered by Tropical and Central as well as the fact the climates are complete different.

Then there was Apline, NZ and World which again are self-explanatory. This worked and worked incredibly well but is just an example of course.

If you are going to create a new climatic zone as such then 'Southern Australia' proboably works well given the fact that the southern coastline of Australia experiences VERY similar weather from the far eastern parts of Victoria right down to the SW corner of WA and also covers 3 major capital cities where a majority of members will be from.

Couple of thoughts anyways...

TS :cool:

Ok. Great post. :thumbs:

So interesting insight into the population vis a vis the climate region decisions at WZ.

Where we are now is loosely similar but more bundled to constrain to just four sub forums.

The Tropics = Tropical & Central

Subtropics = SE QLD & NE NSW & NSW & ACT

Alpine & Southern = ALPINE & SE NSW & TAS & VIC & SA & SW WA

General & World = General & World

Maybe Subtropics should just be called Eastern.

Not sure what to do about SW WA. Does not deserve it’s own sub forum yet - but geo wise it’s a long haul from Alpine and with a unique climate too, so that creates dissonance.
 

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Being on NSW CTs Iwant to watch alpine but snow for here and even say NTs seems to be lost. Not sure how to make it better either. Tablelands are not Sydney for example.

I feel for you Richard, not easy

Maybe the alpine section could have snow topic for cold areas not alpine in location? Keep all cold weather threads in “alpine”?
Don't worry about the Northern Tablelands, we've always firmly included them in the our NENSW/SEQLD region discussion. Even adjacent areas of the North West Slopes & Plains like Tamworth/Gunnedah, Narrabri, Moree get mentions. All these areas can be a breeding ground for storms and squall lines that go on to affect parts or much of the remainder of the region. Also in recent years, when snow has looked likely for the NTs, Kaputar or QLD's Granite Belt we've discussed it in the NENSW/SEQLD section. Some examples:
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubb...49/SEQLD_NENSW_Highland_Snow_inc_#Post1499949
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubb...73/SEQLD_NENSW_Cold_fronts_mounta#Post1380173
http://forum.weatherzone.com.au/ubb...42/SEQLD_NENSW_Showers_storms_fol#Post1334142
 

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Ok. Great post. :thumbs:

So interesting insight into the population vis a vis the climate region decisions at WZ.

Where we are now is loosely similar but more bundled to constrain to just four sub forums.

The Tropics = Tropical & Central

Subtropics = SE QLD & NE NSW & NSW & ACT

Alpine & Southern = ALPINE & SE NSW & TAS & VIC & SA & SW WA

General & World = General & World

Maybe Subtropics should just be called Eastern.

Not sure what to do about SW WA. Does not deserve it’s own sub forum yet - but geo wise it’s a long haul from Alpine and with a unique climate too, so that creates dissonance.

Just my 1 cent, but.... I think that is quite good, with a few things.

If you include NSW/ACT with SE Qld and NE NSW, you can't really call this subtropical as a fair proportion of NSW is Temperate. I would consider the subtropics along the east coast from about the tropic of Capricorn to Coffs Harbour, with the rest of NSW temperate (except for the southern Alpine).

Central and Tropical should be called Central and Tropical, rather than just tropical. Central Australia is not tropical, its actually arid but sticking with central I would people associate with well.

For southern and Alpine, this is reasonable, though I think we should be looking at SA and SW WA separate from SE Australia (VIC, TAS and alpine areas). But maybe not at the moment.

That's my opinion.
 
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And you can tag threads to make your own collection of threads you track, use the watch thread tool top right of any thread.
 
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All I can add is when Southern QLD/ Northern NSW or SEQ/NE NSW thread goes off in the storm season, or a large weather event such as an ECL or possibility of snow in SEQ and the Northern Tablelands, you wont be able to keep up with the pace of the posts. We had had to divide the day to day thread into years, for example it became SEQ/NSW day to day chat 2018 etc as it was massive prior to that. From 2005-2016 there was just shy of 16000 posts and just short of 50 million views and 797 pages. Then when it was divided into years from 2017 onwards, we broke records each year for posts. That is a lot of traffic coming to your forum just from SE QLD/ NE NSW. In total, combining all the threads in the SE QLD/ NE NSW forum there were a total of 1023 threads and 167155 posts. No idea of the total views.

So much important information was stored in the general thread that we had to search hard to find it, like the deadly floods of 2011 in Toowoomba/Gratham and surrounds. Then a separate thread was created for the event, then as we realised how serious this was it was locked and archived and used in the Royal Commission. Then we had the Gap Storm, not just obs and pictures and chatting, but technical discussions of what caused this storm cell to become a supercell, the microburst and the damage that was caused.

It will be interesting to see how it goes here, sometimes it may seem we go off topic but it is a mate ship we have built with each other over the many years then we throw a quick curve ball in, a few quick replies and back to the topic.
It will be frantic.

We honestly appreciate what you are doing for us Richard. WZ or should I say 9 Entertainment 51.1% and Nine Media (ex Fairfax) 48.9% dumped us due to cost cutting. Many small parts of ex Fairfax will be sold off. So thank you for accommodating us refugees, but as you can see we do have concerns as we don't know how it will all pan out combining the 2 Forums. I was a long time lurker on here and have just recently joined. We are all hoping it will work out well and we can merge as one big happy forum.
Thanks and cheers
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subtropical only means palm trees and greenery if you watch too many movies. A fair chunk of the worlds deserts are in subtropical bands.

You need to get familiar with the backstory of how we got to this.
The climatologist in me can only agree with this. The classically imagined desert is a sub-tropical phenomenon, thanks to the descending limb of the Hadley Cell.
 
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Secondly, putting my meteorologist hat on here for a moment, anything with Adelaide and Perth in reference to a subtropical climate simply won't work as both are well away from that. Temperate is the proper classification for Adelaide with Perth being on the border of a temp/suntropical region however has a climate much closer to Adelaide than it does to Brisbane or Sydney being influenced by southern maritime air for the dominant weather drivers here.
This is text book sub tropical stuff. Köppen says hi :)
 

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Agreed. Sth WA and SA are Mediterranean climates. Hence my suggestion of combining them.
Mediterranean climates are usually regarded as a subtropical phenomenon.

But that's the thing, sub-tropical itself is not really a climate. It's a zonal geographic region, within which a number of climatic environments exist, though they are all influenced substantially by the Hadley cell and associated sub tropical ridge (which itself is a dynamic feature within a spatio-temporal envelope).
 
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All I can add is when Southern QLD/ Northern NSW or SEQ/NE NSW thread goes off in the storm season, or a large weather event such as an ECL or possibility of snow in SEQ and the Northern Tablelands, you wont be able to keep up with the pace of the posts. We had had to divide the day to day thread into years, for example it became SEQ/NSW day to day chat 2018 etc as it was massive prior to that. From 2005-2016 there was just shy of 16000 posts and just short of 50 million views and 797 pages. Then when it was divided into years from 2017 onwards, we broke records each year for posts. That is a lot of traffic coming to your forum just from SE QLD/ NE NSW. In total, combining all the threads in the SE QLD/ NE NSW forum there were a total of 1023 threads and 167155 posts. No idea of the total views.
I've contributed 63,000 posts just on my own!!!!! ;)
We have one THREAD that runs 1796 pages, that has 90,000 posts just on its own. :D
So welcome to the forum!!! :D

The point is, you don't need to use the DAY TO DAY threads for all the posts. Each storm can (and usually does) have a thread of its own.
 

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I've contributed 63,000 posts just on my own!!!!! ;)
We have one THREAD that runs 1796 pages, that has 90,000 posts just on its own. :D
So welcome to the forum!!! :D

The point is, you don't use the DAY TO DAY threads for all the posts. Each storm can (and usually does) have a thread of its own.

Yes - we typically have each storm/event with its own tread, and dates of that event. Each typically has a technical discussion thread and a seperate obs thread.

The day to day thread (bbq thread) is then used for banter between storms.

Helps keep the info together.
 

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I am from Holland, grew up in Adelaide living in Qld last 40 years. while Adelaide's weather is Mediterranean like, it sounds foreign to me. I like SA/WA if enough interest in a area I am sure eventually some one wil create a thread for it. Good job Richard jou cant please everyone and we have to be patient it will get there. (Just wait till Popeye starts WA)
 

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I've contributed 63,000 posts just on my own!!!!! ;)
We have one THREAD that runs 1796 pages, that has 90,000 posts just on its own. :D
So welcome to the forum!!! :D

The point is, you don't need to use the DAY TO DAY threads for all the posts. Each storm can (and usually does) have a thread of its own.
Oh, and the three Weather Forum Moderators (Sandy, Claude Cat, azzski) have a combined total of 213,000 posts!!! ;)
 

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That is exactly what we do on WZ. That is why I stated “In total, combining all the threads in the SE QLD/ NE NSW forum there were a total of 1023 threads and 167155 posts. No idea of the total views.”

The day to day was just general chit chat until an event looks to be unfolding, a new thread was created for the event, then after the event, sometimes we used to have a technical thread along with it. I am aware that the same thing would happen here.
What I was trying to highlight is that you would post some tech or obs, go and take a few photos, go back to the thread and sometimes there would be 5 - 10 pages of new posts within 15 minutes.

Also just throwing some stuff out there as to why some may be feeling a little hesitant with the forum and the debate that is taking place here.
 

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The day to day was just general chit chat until an event looks to be unfolding, a new thread was created for the event, then after the event, sometimes we used to have a technical thread along with it. I am aware that the same thing would happen here.

All good, you guys please feel free to continue with day to day as per usual and fork new threads as and when appropriate.

The day to day's will find their groove so long as there is regular activity.

Let me know what new thread prefixes might be appropriate. We have used prefixes for Alpine Obs & Predictions quite successfully for some years now. They are great for quick filtering of similar threads within a sub-forum.
 

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Regarding the Eastern and Maritime forum, I thought I'd set out my understanding of what's in and out. Here are the BOM NSW forecast districts for reference:

http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/map.shtml

So the Snowy Mountains belong to the "Alpine and Southern" division. What about the far South Coast, say Narooma South? Is that part of the "South" as suggested by the description of the "Alpine and Southern" forum?

In terms of Day to Day threads, it would seem that NSW / ACT is all of NSW except:
- The Snowy Mts and Southern South Coast --> "Alpine & South"
- Canberra, Wagga, Taree, the Jervis Bay Area and Ulladulla are in the Eastern & Martime forum and included in NSW Day to Day. What about Albury?
- The Northern Rivers, Mid North Coast from Port Macquarie Northwards, New England and North West Slopes & Plains. These go to NE NSW / SE Qld.
 

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Regarding the Eastern and Maritime forum, I thought I'd set out my understanding of what's in and out. Here are the BOM NSW forecast districts for reference:

http://www.bom.gov.au/nsw/forecasts/map.shtml

So the Snowy Mountains belong to the "Alpine and Southern" division. What about the far South Coast, say Narooma South? Is that part of the "South" as suggested by the description of the "Alpine and Southern" forum?

In terms of Day to Day threads, it would seem that NSW / ACT is all of NSW except:
- The Snowy Mts and Southern South Coast --> "Alpine & South"
- Canberra, Wagga, Taree, the Jervis Bay Area and Ulladulla are in the Eastern & Martime forum and included in NSW Day to Day. What about Albury?
- The Northern Rivers, Mid North Coast from Port Macquarie Northwards, New England and North West Slopes & Plains. These go to NE NSW / SE Qld.

I think for the purpose of this forum, with it's Alpine legacy - we have to be flexible on the North East NSW boundries - my gut says, if it's local obs and day to day then it can probably live in Eastern. If it's about a frontal system that's moving in - it's Alpine.

In that latter scenario if a frontal related thread is created in Eastern and it's splitting conversation, our long term weather mods will be onto it quick smart and merge appropriately.
 

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Wagga Wagga residents posted in the NSW thread on WZ (Duane and others from memory) and I would expect that to happen in this forum's day to day thread (as in those parts the discussion isn't usually about snow).

Everyone should just assume it's like with like, but with a merging of WZ forums:
  • NSW and NE NSW/SE QLD
  • SA/VIC/Tas/Southern WA/Alpine & Snow
So no WZ forum should be split here, only consolidated.

Perhaps the reference to southern NSW should be dropped from the Alpine and Southern forum description (and replaced with Alpine region).
 
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