Does Perisher need to improve their camera options?

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  1. Mr. Mook

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    Or are we spoilt enough already?
    Thredbo now has 3 live video feeds (and once there is snow the Friday Flat cam will probably revert to video like last year) with a new one facing downhill from the top of the Basin T bar, and new static camera views as well.

    Meanwhile the only changes Perisher has made have been to slightly adjust the angle on the Olympic & Blue Cow Summit cams so we can't see the ground in front of them anymore.

    I often find the Guthega video feed is boring as hell, even when the lifts are running, because it spends most of the time traversing background. When it does stop on the Freedom chair the angle is such that all you can really see are the chairs coming up & the main range in the background.
    As for it's Blue Cow view, the few seconds of zoom on the Pony Ride rope tow and the top of the Pleasant Valley Quad barely have enough quality to see that there are people there, let alone give any kind of indication as to conditions.
     
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    They've spent many years fine tuning the cams so we don't see too much.
    IMO.
    e.g Blanchy's
     
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    I agree, the Smiggins camera is as useful as a bucket with holes in it. If the turned it to the left so you could see further up the hill, all would be good in the world,
    The same as Happy Valley for that matter
     
  5. Seafm

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    The old mountain watch cam on front valley was the best. I loved looking at it around this time of the season watching the guns do their magic.
     
  6. Richard

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    It's unlikely a conspiracy.

    The cams are set up by IT dept or IT contractors who probably only have cursory consideration to what is the best 'view' of conditions that skiers would actually like to see - just making it work is the box they have to check.

    Add to the mix a bit of 'make it wow' instruction from the marketing department with a new PTZ cam and you get lovely vista panorama's that don't tell you much.

    It takes care-factor time and a considered effort to get a useful shot from these things. I know, I've had a go.
     
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    Fair call.
    Healthy scepticism from many many years of creative reporting etc.
    We can glean enough info from what is on offer.
    If you know what you looking at / for.
     
  8. currawong

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    The most useful cam that Falls used to have was one of upper slalom car park. Ugly as a hatful of arseholes but told you it if was wet, dry, foggy, snowing, and accumulation.

    Cams that point at the groomed slopes tell you very little once there is cover.
     
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  9. snowgum

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    Been thinking the same for Falls and Hotham. Both have only. 5 cams to cover several sq. kms. & several areas/faces. There was a time when they're were great cams overlooking McKay, Feathertop, & over Rocky Valley & do forth.

    I'm sure there's a good reason but the current cams don't really cover much. Thinking it's very much cost benefit.
     
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    Cams are run by the marketing department. For marketing.
     
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  11. snowgum

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    Then I'm afraid their marketing has slipped. Significantly.
     
  12. Mr. Mook

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    Yep, I normally snowboard at Perisher, but spend way more time looking at the Thredbo cams.
    Their cam views are greatly enticing me to switch resorts.
     
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  13. Xwing

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    Yes - I think they do.

    Consider:

    One cam for Guthega - this place was once an entire ski resort of its own, and the camera is often a white out / wet etc.
    A camera at Yabby Flats for a downhill ski resort showing a flat area - why?
    The Smiggins camera is useless - there is a much better marketing angle for this camera, but because there is internal politics, Smiggins is a lower priority.
    Happy Valley does not show a valley but a very ordinary shot of a blue run Tbar.
    Kosciuszko is there to what??? impress about our highest mountain? It certainly is not part of Perisher and is often un-viewable.
    Olympic seems out of whack.

    I have always thought there are better marketing angles and positions for cameras and never show flat places in a downhill resort. Why would a marketing team decide to show a 'flat' when it is all about vertical metres...on their dashboard.

    Overall quality of images and some cameras (hardware) is low and they need a better marketing team also when you consider how ridiculous some of the snow reporting videos can be.
     
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  14. notty

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    I agree with all your points, there are so many good options for cameras that would actually show the snow conditions.
    I believe this camera isn't run by perisher which is why it doesn't appear on their website
     
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  15. Snowy Joey

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    Yes. Bring back the live cam we used to have on front valley and blue cow.
     
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  16. Richard

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    You are talking about the era that Ian and I ran the cams. We would take a lot of time, working with the constraints of viable install location, to compose the shots. Apart from being skiers ourselves, our incentive was to create the most popular web pages we could.

    Now resort IT departments install the cams, and the incentives are different. For IT their KPI is 'does it work'. For marketing, the KPI is not page impressions, but showing the resort in the best possible light. This is the difference.

    I personally think that Thredbo, Buller & Perisher get the balance pretty right - all things considered. Hotham & Falls have lost their way since Merlin took over and I read that as a broader issue with the stability of marketing team.

    In the 17 odd years that we did cams, I think we got asked to recompose a shot maybe once or twice only.


    That was the original 'Car Park' cam. Was killer. had people on it 24/7. When they remodelled the RMB building it got removed and the new Falls Bowl development across the road also blocked the view.
     
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  17. Richard

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    correct, it's one of those odd-ball cameras run by Airlan. They don't get much love. They actually run a few more but I don't show them because they are so useless and the images have the ugliest overlays.
     
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  18. Richard

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    Viable install locations at a ski resort is the No.1 constraint. Though with wireless and purpose-built hardware the options are better now than twenty years ago - but.. A lot of best locations are really, really harsh and the cost of equipment that can handle it is a very real consideration.
     
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  19. Xwing

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    ...can appreciate the above comments post my post
     
  20. Mr. Mook

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    I get that this is a big factor, but when you see Thredbo now has a video feed from a camera looking downhill at (or near) the top of the Basin T bar you gotta wonder if there is anywhere in Perisher that is out of reach.
    I really like the 2 downhill facing cams at Thredders. I reckon they give the best overall picture of conditions as well as having something interesting to watch
     
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    Perisher has a new live camera.
    It's just not connected ? Or
     
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    Nah disagree..
     
  23. snowgum

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    Richard, I don't think us 'early' members realised just how good we had things with the cams those first few years. There was almost too much choice. Not complaining though :)-)

    It was pretty groundbreaking!

    A shame Merlin don't get it or don't see the point of spending the dough. Best bang for buck to me in terms of encouraging 900 kms driving for a round trip and $1000+ expenses via Omeo!
     
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    The existing camera feeds would also be improved if they de-iced them occasionally!
     
  25. Marty_McSly

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    Perisher have not had a camera at Yabby Flats for at least 5 years.
     
  26. dawooduck

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    Falls Creek sets the camera standard

     
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    I haven't read the whole thread, but is anyone else bugged by the banner covering the bottom (most important) 10% of the pics? Seriously lazy coding on the part of the web team. They could put the full pick and the banners(advertising) into the same space without covering up the pics, or put the banner at the top?
     
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    They embed the banners so that syndicates, like ourselves and mountainwatch, snowatch etc are doing advertising work for them.

    Without getting technical, it's much easier to place the banners as an overlay than stitch them to an edge of an image. All the software for webcams has overlay feature built in - none do edge stitching.

    I do think it's got gratuitous, the trend started with Perisher a few years ago and it's been creeping as a percentage of image area since. Charlotte's are ridiculous.
     
  30. Donzah

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    Here is the new camera for Perisher
    Was supposed to be done in April
    I noticed it got approved June 1
    damn.
     
  31. Seafm

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    Needs crayons.
     
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    One thing for sure is the need for a wiper or demister on the lenses.
     
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    Shows the back country and to an extent the incoming weather. Also shows that a part of the resort views actual mountains.
     
  36. phantomas

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    Or business? with the changing broadband landscape, their days (and the Yabby cam) must be numbered?
    well at least they're making lots of hay while the sun shines
    https://airlan.com.au/page.php?page_id=59
     
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    Airlan was better than dial up, that's about it.
     
  38. Nidecker

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    They actually have the perfect infrastructure to compete with NBN legally, as has been demonstrated in other locations around Australia, including very successfully in Melb. But they don't have the business model just yet. #greedy?
     
  39. Mr. Mook

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    i've been off work this week and had the opportunity to browse the cameras during the days.
    Perisher's cams? yeah ok.
    Thredbo's cams - even Friday Flat? Man I wish I was there!

    This from a boarder who generally prefers Perisher to Thredbo.
     
  40. KL.

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    the camera views get changed all the time, don't they?
     
  41. Mr. Mook

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    There have been some very minor changes to angles that resulted in showing more skyline & less snow and 1 live feed which spends most of its time looking away from the resort.

    This year Thredbo added a 4th live feed (all 4 point to inbound ski runs) and a 9th static cam - all 13 show inbounds ski runs.

    Perisher is nearly 3 times the size of Thredbo, has the same number of cameras, but only 6 of them actually show runs (and most of those views are quite poor). The only change to those 6 in recent years has been to point the Smiggins cam away from the Duplex T bars to the more distant J Bars & Hume T load.

    Even the Thredbo live feed of the closed Basin area is more entertaining & informative than any of the current perisher views because the Basin area has no snowmaking
     
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    I had a look at the Buller cameras yesterday at they honestly leave perishers cameras for dead.
     
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    @cold wombat probably should tweet this, tagging Peter B.
     
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    Nothing like a little community activism :)

     
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