Driving to the snow over the years

telecrag

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If you have low blood pressure, its probably beneficial to get all worked up about how everyone is in your way!
 
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One of the primary issues with overtaking lanes is that many of the overtakes don't want to go faster than the speed limit.

The authorities really fcked things up when they started fining people for exceeding the speed limit when over taking.

Right up there with P plate driver reduced speed limits.

Flowing traffic saves lives ...
 

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We did a 1600km , 21 hour road trip with a trailer recently.

  • Pennant Hills road is a nightmare during the day.
  • Braking space ROFLROFL:deadhorse:
  • The trucks fly down Pennant Hills road at night. Was a bit intimidating.
  • Going with the empty trailer the car performed ok but we still only used overtaking lanes to overtake.
  • Coming back, almost at trailer capacity, there are some big hills north of Sydney
  • The Kangaroos both woke me up and slowed me down. Not sure how we missed hitting and being jumped into with the longer vehicle.
  • I have not travelled the New England for a long time. Surprised at how much it has deteriorated. Seems like a bit of a goat track compered with the Monaro.
  • Slow and/or thoughtless car drivers - I feel for the truckies who have to deal with this stuff all the time.
 

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OT lanes should be for proper drivers only?

I have recently come to the conclusion that one of the bigger problems on the road are those who are,

1) too scared to overtake when there is no overtaking lane, causing a long buildup of cars behind slow vehicles, with no gaps for faster cars to pull in when trying to get past the bunch.
2) those same vehicles not overtaking swiftly in overtaking lanes, pulling in and perhaps slowing down to let faster cars behind them get past quickly and safely.

Far too many people drive around with ZERO awareness of how they could assist traffic flow by small changes in their own driving behaviour.
 

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One of the primary issues with overtaking lanes is that many of the overtakes don't want to go faster than the speed limit.

The authorities really fcked things up when they started fining people for exceeding the speed limit when over taking.

Right up there with P plate driver reduced speed limits.

Flowing traffic saves lives ...
Yes, nailed it. The safest way to overtake is to get out, go hard and get in. Use all the speed at your disposal because the longer you are out there the more dangerous it gets. Same for overtaking lanes because it allows others to overtake as well keeps the flow going. Nothing worse than finally getting to an overtaking lane only to be stopped by a slow car in the overtaking lane.
 

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  • I have not travelled the New England for a long time. Surprised at how much it has deteriorated. Seems like a bit of a goat track compered with the Monaro.

Makes statement regarding the Monaro as being a demanding single lane highway a bit of a joke. The monaro is about as good a road as you get away from the main dual carriageways.

Now imagine how shit any road is away from them rocky stable hills. Roads built on bottomless soft stuff. As soon as you get a wet spell they get very rough.
 

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Makes statement regarding the Monaro as being a demanding single lane highway a bit of a joke. The monaro is about as good a road as you get away from the main dual carriageways.

Now imagine how shit any road is away from them rocky stable hills. Roads built on bottomless soft stuff. As soon as you get a wet spell they get very rough.

The Monaro is a luxury highway. I don't play in winter traffic so find the whole stretch a breeze, overtaking included.
 

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If i ever see a truck stuck behind some slow bugger i know he/she doesn't have much chance to overtake outside of a dedicated overtaking lane, so sit back and let them have a go. As a car it will be very easy to pass the slow vehicle and the truck somewhere just up the road in the single lane section.

Have driven heavy loads on under powered vehicles and know what its like. Would help most understand happening on the road if they had done the same. SO many people get frsutrated about the truck that passed and then slowed down, or the truck that sped up when i went to overtake it. Truck isn't slowing down to annoy you, its just hit a slight hill or headwind and it can't go any faster. And its not speeding up to annoy you, it just got over the rise and is now trying to maintain 100km/hr.
Truckers are f^&ckers too - e.g. side by side up the long hill at 90km/h on the freeway trying to out-dick each other...
 

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speed up or slow down. They would surely be observing the vehicle passing to identify when they can merge across.

Sure, when it comes to doing things at 100ks, you can't guarantee what anyone else is going to do - when all they want to do is get past you! If you speed up too soon, that antagonises them, as they want to overtake, so I maintain my speed. If there is a reasonable distance between us, and we are running out of road - and they are still closing, I indicate and merge decisively. Why wouldn't I? I have no choice in the matter. That decisive move will ensure that most people will note you are in front of them - unless they are on drugs.

I sometimes slow for a fraction if I have time to let someone pass, but see my first point - I do reserve the right to give myself time and space to merge back in. [And it takes time to accelerate back to the correct speed].

The problem is that people just want to overtake overtake ....when there is little margin for error, for mistakes. It's called consideration. I think most problems on the road are due to a lack of consideration!
 

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Truckers are f^&ckers too - e.g. side by side up the long hill at 90km/h on the freeway trying to out-dick each other...

The truck can easily lose 10 minutes climbing the hill at 10km/hr if it drops revs and has to start downshifting all the way back through the range. If you understand this it makes you more considerate of what is going on.

Its this sort of thing that annoys truckies and makes them behave in a bad way. If you are inattentive to the approaching climb and your speed drops to 70/km/hr, you can gas it and get back up where you want to be. Truck can't do that mid climb. Got to keep the revs in the sweet spot for maximum torque.
 

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Sure, when it comes to doing things at 100ks, you can't guarantee what anyone else is going to do - when all they want to do is get past you! If you speed up too soon, that antagonises them, as they want to overtake, so I maintain my speed. If there is a reasonable distance between us, and we are running out of road - and they are still closing, I indicate and merge decisively. Why wouldn't I? I have no choice in the matter. That decisive move will ensure that most people will note you are in front of them - unless they are on drugs.

I sometimes slow for a fraction if I have time to let someone pass, but see my first point - I do reserve the right to give myself time and space to merge back in. [And it takes time to accelerate back to the correct speed].

The problem is that people just want to overtake overtake ....when there is little margin for error, for mistakes. It's called consideration. I think most problems on the road are due to a lack of consideration!
What does "reserving rights" mean? Choosing a collision instead of being sensible?

Driving is a cooperative enterprise. Cooperate.
 

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I do my utmost to travel at less busy times, to avoid long snaky super slow conga lines of drivers unfamiliar with the road or how to drive on a highway. It also reduces total travel time quite notably.
 
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I have recently come to the conclusion that one of the bigger problems on the road are those who are,

1) too scared to overtake when there is no overtaking lane, causing a long buildup of cars behind slow vehicles, with no gaps for faster cars to pull in when trying to get past the bunch.
2) those same vehicles not overtaking swiftly in overtaking lanes, pulling in and perhaps slowing down to let faster cars behind them get past quickly and safely.

Far too many people drive around with ZERO awareness of how they could assist traffic flow by small changes in their own driving behaviour.
I’d also add those people too scared to overtake and who bunch up, and then travel at 135kph in the overtaking lane when it arrives, to then revert to 90kph when the overtaking lane ends, or stick their nose right up the arse of a car in front travelling 90kph. Even better when they form a convoy of 3 or 4 cars.

A special place in hell exists for drivers who accelerate while being overtaken.
 

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Oohhh deeeeeeeepppp maaaannnn lol ;)
well sort of.
These discussions are hilarious to me.
Lots of people describing how many faults there are with other drivers and ascribing thoughts, actions and feelings to these other drivers based on a minor interaction on a regional highway at 10:00pm one Friday night. 'too scared', 'stupid', 'clowns', 'fckkers', 'newbies', 'weekend warriors', 'numpties', 'attendants', '********', etc etc.
You are all talking about each other. All these other drivers may well think this of you.
You're all just drivers, and you are the traffic.
 

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M1 north now has trucks in left and middle lanes only, should be just left lane like Euro but it's a start.
On my drive in the late night/early morning, on the big hills, you become aware they can have considerable speed difference. There was one that was passing most cars that I reckon was empty. Absolutely no reason he should be stuck in the left lane.
 

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These discussions are hilarious to me.
Lots of people describing how many faults there are with other drivers and ascribing thoughts, actions and feelings to these other drivers based on a minor interaction on a regional highway at 10:00pm one Friday night. 'too scared', 'stupid', 'clowns', 'fckkers', 'newbies', 'weekend warriors', 'numpties', 'attendants', '********', etc etc.
You are all talking about each other. All these other drivers may well think this of you.
You're all just drivers, and you are the traffic.
No i'm the best.
Its the other people
 

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The truck can easily lose 10 minutes climbing the hill at 10km/hr if it drops revs and has to start downshifting all the way back through the range. If you understand this it makes you more considerate of what is going on.

Its this sort of thing that annoys truckies and makes them behave in a bad way. If you are inattentive to the approaching climb and your speed drops to 70/km/hr, you can gas it and get back up where you want to be. Truck can't do that mid climb. Got to keep the revs in the sweet spot for maximum torque.
So there were roadworks and 40kph speed limit just north of the big climbs on the F1 heading south when I did my little road trip. OMG what a pain in the neck for me and the trucks. I had almost the max my car is allowed to tow on the back and climbing those hills from slow speed was painful. It definitely added quite a bit of time to my drive.
 
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So there were roadworks and 40kph speed limit just north of the big climbs on the F1 heading south when I did my little road trip. OMG what a pain in the neck for me and the trucks. I had almost the max my car is allowed to tow on the back and climbing those hills from slow speed was painful. It definitely added quite a bit of time to my drive.
On the plus side, at least you didn't have 18 gears to deal with :)
 
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The truck can easily lose 10 minutes climbing the hill at 10km/hr if it drops revs and has to start downshifting all the way back through the range. If you understand this it makes you more considerate of what is going on.

Its this sort of thing that annoys truckies and makes them behave in a bad way. If you are inattentive to the approaching climb and your speed drops to 70/km/hr, you can gas it and get back up where you want to be. Truck can't do that mid climb. Got to keep the revs in the sweet spot for maximum torque.
I get it. But it's simple, If you are a 40t behemoth trying to overtake another 40t behemoth, don't try and do it up a hill
 
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Maybe if some of you had the extra like James Bond in his DB5 (machine guns). That would speed the people up in front
I've always wanted some of them... even the wheel spikes in OHMSS would do. And some smoke and/or explosive bombs to drop out the back (Goldfinger)
 

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I get it. But it's simple, If you are a 40t behemoth trying to overtake another 40t behemoth, don't try and do it up a hill


they try to go around so they don't drop revs. As soon as you lift your foot off the pedal in a truck its game over. So if you are going 95km/hr in a good gear at good revs and you catch a truck doing 90km/hr, its not as simple as dropping back to 90km/hr, because once you back off the pedal you loose the sweet spot and back down through the gears you go until you are crawling up at walking pace.
 

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What does "reserving rights" mean? Choosing a collision instead of being sensible?

Driving is a cooperative enterprise. Cooperate.

Indeed - I would say cooperate by not wanting to overtake at the last moment, and give me space for their error......
anyway ;-)

I am not choosing a collision - I indicate and pull over to give myself time to merge. The car is still behind, but closing, so I can tell they rather want to overtake...when they should see there is not much room and back off. When I say decisive, I don't float over gradually, that's also silly...

A special place in hell exists for drivers who accelerate while being overtaken.

Can't disagree....

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These discussions are hilarious to me.
Lots of people describing how many faults there are with other drivers and ascribing thoughts, actions and feelings to these other drivers based on a minor interaction on a regional highway at 10:00pm one Friday night. 'too scared', 'stupid', 'clowns', 'fckkers', 'newbies', 'weekend warriors', 'numpties', 'attendants', '********', etc etc.
You are all talking about each other. All these other drivers may well think this of you.
You're all just drivers, and you are the traffic.

I agree. It's that attributing to other drivers that's part of the danger.
 

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they try to go around so they don't drop revs. As soon as you lift your foot off the pedal in a truck its game over. So if you are going 95km/hr in a good gear at good revs and you catch a truck doing 90km/hr, its not as simple as dropping back to 90km/hr, because once you back off the pedal you loose the sweet spot and back down through the gears you go until you are crawling up at walking pace.

indeed, those Ford Ranger boxes eh..
 

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I’d also add those people too scared to overtake and who bunch up, and then travel at 135kph in the overtaking lane when it arrives, to then revert to 90kph when the overtaking lane ends, or stick their nose right up the arse of a car in front travelling 90kph. Even better when they form a convoy of 3 or 4 cars.

A special place in hell exists for drivers who accelerate while being overtaken.

Classic Mt Buller Traffic - Drives me nuts! Arghhh! :eek::mad:
 
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they try to go around so they don't drop revs. As soon as you lift your foot off the pedal in a truck its game over. So if you are going 95km/hr in a good gear at good revs and you catch a truck doing 90km/hr, its not as simple as dropping back to 90km/hr, because once you back off the pedal you loose the sweet spot and back down through the gears you go until you are crawling up at walking pace.

But do trucks really need to do 120-130 down the hill in order to climb at 100 the next uphill.

And if they do (which they seem to), is there any justification for doing so.

I note more than 50% of big trucks tailgate on Melbourne's freeways even when doing a ‘real’ 80 or 100 - it can be super scary/stupid even when travelling in a large SUV.

I dobbed one especially bad dude (south on the Hume at night into Melbourne’s outskirts) to their company a couple of years ago. To my shock they rang back and apologised on his behalf - driver was at the door of a long stressful shift - spokesperson said they’d be warned against tailgating & high-beaming again. Getting a plate helps!

Not all companies would even bother - they must have had a couple of recent incidents, I figure?
 

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Indeed - I would say cooperate by not wanting to overtake at the last moment, and give me space for their error......
anyway ;-)

I am not choosing a collision - I indicate and pull over to give myself time to merge. The car is still behind, but closing, so I can tell they rather want to overtake...when they should see there is not much room and back off. When I say decisive, I don't float over gradually, that's also silly...
Numpties must do what suits you. You are the problem.
 

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I don't know about you clowns, but every time I tap the pedal on the right, I get a dose of testosterdopeadrine and its addictive! OH YEAH!
 

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I When I say decisive, I don't float over gradually, that's also silly...

Rapid lane changes leave little room for error. Should always float. If you are ever wrong and have missed someone in your blindspot it gives them a chance to recover from your mistake.
 
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