Dry Slopes?

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  1. Kopite

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    Coming from the UK I learned initially on dry slopes - not as good as learning on snow, but better than not learning at all. Is there any reason why Australia hasn't got any dry slopes? Seems to me that Sydney would be a great place to have one - have they ever been tried out or considered?
     
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    They have been tried a couple of times and failed.
     
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  3. Stick

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    The one here in Melbourne helped to improve my snowboarding.. It was fun, but never busy. Ski City closed a few years ago now and the dry slopes were sold to Hotham. Given there is an ad on Seek for Ski/Snowboard instructors in Brisbane i assume someone else is giving it a go.
     
  4. Kopite

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    It surprises me they weren't popular - maybe not marketed well? The one I learned on was always pretty busy and that was in a rural area - no way near the catchment of a big city.
     
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    probably a mix of marketing, cost and plenty of alternate options for off season activities
     
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    This is a "dry slope" and to the best of my knowledge it has never been available in Australia

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    that would most likely have a better chance than the ones that have been tried.
     
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    Moguls at the top look pretty good!
     
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  9. Kopite

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    That's the kind of thing sprouting up more in the UK now. How great would that be in Sydney?!
     
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    Could this be a picture of our ski resorts in the year 2060??

    Perhaps Team Bears should not ridicule this kind of development.??

    On a positive side ....well no need for Nokian Winter Tyers!!

    We could fit up Mt Macedon in this stuff....and develop a new 24/7 Ski Hub....
     
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    Probably make more sense to have one in Newcastle :D
     
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    Olinda golf course hasn't been a course for years perfect for that kind of set up
     
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  13. Ted Harper

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    There used to be a dry slope of that type - material was called “Dendix” - at Narrabeen Sport and Rec camp (Sydney Northern Beaches) in the 80’s, albeit on a smaller scale. Had a rope tow, was good for half a dozen turns per run, skied best late in the evenings when it had dew on it, and it _hurt_ when you fell.

    I used to ski there a couple of times a week over the summer.
     
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    The old Sam Herford pool had a small ski slope back in the 70's.

    Also there were the carpet things at Alexandria which were good, but didn't last. I think they just built too much cost into the business model and didn't develop the links between retail and instruction/practice which would have made it viable.

    I did entertain buying one of the carpet things to develop a mixed retail/instruction/practice/community thing but realised I'd just prefer to go skiing.
     
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    That was more to do with the awful management than the concept.
     
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    I thought you meant no grog.
     
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    Well, that doesn't look too bad.
     
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    This on the other hand.:confused:
     
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    Yeah that closed up too, took peoples money and ran.
    Same poor management as Ski City.
    Just idiots.
    Mandatory Ski Helmets at in2ki too LOL, what a joke.
     
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    This is the same one they're opening up in Brisbane. They have 2 of them..... looks mighty exciting...........
     
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    Ahem

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    Woden Plaza, yay!
     
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    Mandatory helmets was indeed pretty stupid
     
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    Is it Brisbane or the Gold Coast one? I know GC is pretty close to kicking off construction.
    https://www.snowparksaustralia.com.au/

    As to why Australia (or at least Melb/Syd) don't have one there is no logical reason. Someone, within the next 10 years, is going to make a fortune putting a decent dry slope in within a short drive from the big cities. So many skiers/boarders in oz these days and those people would love to have a play in the off season without driving 5 hrs. One consideration though is that for much of summer, you don't want to be doing too many outdoor activites during the day. Just too bl00dy hot - UK doesn't suffer from this as much.

    In2ski was good, really helped practice carving (I used it a few times) but it was a Rolls Royce, when they could have gotten away with a VW.

    btw, Canberra and Geelong have Powderpak parks - indoor terrain parks with jibs on carpet etc. Not the same but still a bit of fun. I've used the Canberra one and it was basic good to practice rails.
     
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    I have a fair-sized front yard (possible understatement) and I have thought for a long time - like about 30 years - about trying to do something ski-related for myself with it. We used to get a lot more frosts and sub-zero nights (NO I am not having that discussion here, just saying...) and priced-up home snowmaking about 30 years ago. I think that horse has now bolted.

    When I looked at Dendix (and there is another better new material which I think the new dry slopes are using that I looked at too, but the name escapes me) it was astonishingly expensive per m2 - I mean mind-bogglingly so, even by the standards of everything else related to skiing. AND my yard isn’t steep enough for any sort of reasonable skiing experience on dry slope material - would be ok with natural snow though. From experience even with a nice dewy night and/or a misting sprinkler system you need a much steeper slope than you think you do to get a good linked-turn skiing experience.

    If someone DID get such a facility up in Sydney though (or even Perisher in Front Valley off say the Mitchell T-bar) I would be all over it. I used to love going skiing on the tiny Dendix slope at Narrabeen after work at night over summer - and I might be 30 years older now but I would still love it!
     
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  25. Kash

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    Agreed. Yeah I've also looked at it. Liberty Ski centre in the US (look it up on youtube it looks epic), and the upcoming Gold Coast park both use snowflex. I cant remember the surface the Powderpak parks use. The price has come down. I researched building one. I think GC is good, but Sydney/Melb would be even better. More snow sports enthusiasts, more wealth and much higher population.
     
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  26. Kopite

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    The heat issue in the middle of summer is definately valid - but can be countered with some flood lights, night skiing and a nice cooling mist (which will also help with traction on the slope). You'd almost think it could be something that Perpisher or Thredbo could get involved with - discounts etc included with your Epic pass? An Epic plus Sydney pass?
     
  27. DidSurfNowSki

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    Build a Kelly Slater wave pool instead :D
     
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    as well
     
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    Winter gear simply inst suited for summer.
    I was doing it in t shirt and shorts and still wasn't enough to stop feet sweating in boots.
     
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    Yes and yes.

    It needs to be run like indoor Karts.
     
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    One of these opening in Canberra soon as well. Construction well underway.


    Haha how much has Woden changed
     
  32. soza

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    I'd love to see them cover a beginner run or little terrain park at one or two of the winter resorts. Thredbo or Falls would perfect as they have summer activities with mountain biking especially taking off. Not only would you get the summer crowd you are guaranteed a 4 month winter season of some sort.
     
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    Well the Brisbane one is opening Saturday or open now as website says..... pricing! It’s cheaper to fly to NZ for a weekend and hike to the snow. I’m predicting they’ll be bankrupt within 12-18 months and quite as a mouse within 6
     
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    Imagine if that was the only way to escape from the present frozen body technique. Graduates would be obvious on the snow with their super style and you would have bookings galore.
    ( OMG ! Even SNOWBOARDERS in this clip are being taught not to use their shoulders ! )

     
  35. piolet

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    Yeah one around the corner from me here in Brissie
    Was wondering if it'd be good for the kids
     
  36. Harper11

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    I didn’t even know they had that in Brisbane

    Do you take your own gear?
     
  37. Annabuzzy

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    If it's the same arrangement as the defunct Sydney set up, take your own boots and helmet, but they'll stump up the skis.

    You need to use their shorter, detuned skis
     
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    Tell em they're dreaming.

    They supply helmets, sounds like a repeat of in2ski with the helmets.

    Why is it theses places always repeat the methods of all those who came and failed before them.
     
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    Public liability insurance.

    Thank the lawyers.
     
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    Well, what about the financials of Own Your Own? Maybe an Ikea assemble it yourself kit ?
    Lock it up so the kids can't run it unsupervised (some hope).
    This bloke is practicing Harb "inside arm forward" and "outside arm back" initiations.
    Go, baby !
     
  42. Heinz

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    Used to several grass skiing hills in the 80's, one (Jamboree?) even had some races, but most of them didn't last long either.
     
  43. DbSki

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    No
    They all knew how much insurance costed going in.
     
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    But they probably didn't expect the negative publicity organised by the snow industry.
    Chinese copies are within ski club finances, about 50 kilodollars.
    Instructors from Thailand, however, might be false economy.
     
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    The guy skiing tele in the video is wearing a cycling helmet. This is a good idea because the cycling helmet has big vents for warm conditions, whereas ski helmets are way too hot.
     
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