Europe 2018/19

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Kimski, May 10, 2018.

  1. Kimski

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    As it’s now May and there seems to be a few of us well into planning / booking I thought I’d start a general thread.

    I’ve just booked my main flights Adelaide to London, return from Paris. Booked with Singapore Airlines for $1328. Officially the cheapest flights to/from Europe ever for me :)

    I’ll have a full day in London before heading to the Three Valleys for a catered week with ski in ski out accommodation.

    Second week is my ‘budget’ week and at this stage I’ve booked an apartment in Briançon to ski Serre Chevalier. Will probably be using the nearby budget supermarket a fair bit :D

    Finally, I’ve got a couple of days in Lyon, checking out a new city for me.
     
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  2. LaNeige

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    Nice, keen to hear about Briançon and Serre Chevalier, I've been looking go there for a while.
     
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  3. piolet

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    Maybe a mod could migrate some of the other question threads in?
    Whatever

    I'm stoked. Probably won't even go skiing LOL

    But, maybe.
     
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  4. Kimski

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    That week could still change but it’s my plan for now. Will see if I can do a bit of a report if I go there.
     
  5. Heinz

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    Good on you for starting the general 2019 thread. Have been a couple of specific threads but have been waiting for this one. Certainly hope to return to Austria again next year but way to early for me to make any plans yet. Missed you at the drinks here tonight.
     
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  6. Crispy013

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    Lucky you with the SIA flights...at the time of pulling the pin for us, they were still circa $2300 pp, so we went with Cathay instead. Into Milan, out of Paris. Looking at doing a week also somewhere in Serre Chevalier.
     
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    :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs: Do it I have skied 20 weeks or so there and it is awesome for wide amounts of varied piste skiing and accessible offpiste
     
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    Yep.
    Will book flights to a central Euro airport (GVA, ZRH, MXP, or similar) and then see where it's snowy in January.

    Jan and Feb this year was amazing in Europe. Nearly everywhere got early, frequent and huge dumps.
    Not expecting that again for 2019. I have a few location prefs but will wait to see what the snow does.
     
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  9. RubberJohnson

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    We are flying outta Perth and got our flights for $1130 with Cathay. We had to go in school hols (mid Dec-mid Jan). Pretty happy with that price. Fingers crossed there is a decent base by jan 4th.
     
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  10. Kimski

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    Wow, that’s an awesome price. Especially for school holidays.

    I was pretty set on flying Singapore Airlines. They do a day flight from Adelaide and after overnighting in Singapore I land at Heathrow 3pm. Even with sleeping tablets I can’t sleep at all on planes. Well, maybe in business class but my budget doesn’t stretch that far LOL
     
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    @Kimski
    Sounds like a fabulous trip and I’d be very interested in a Trip Report after the fact (please).

    We did train out of Milan a few years back (it was to Zermatt, but you can pretty much go anywhere with those train connections!) - was great!
     
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  12. Crispy013

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    Trip report for sure :thumbs:.

    Planning on doing a bit of a loop from Milan - Lake Como and up through Switzerland, before tracking back via Geneva. Still a bit fluid, but have a rough itinerary at this stage.
     
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    Yeah, I was about to book us to the US for much more than that and my wife suggested just seeing what the price to Europe was.....it was a deal too good to refuse! So now I just gotta hope the snow is ok! Kids have never been to Europe (or US for that matter) and now they are all teenagers this will prob be our last family holiday. European Vacation here we come!
     
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    I am looking at options for Europe not for skiing but for some hiking in September. OG1's mother went touristing years ago and must have gone to Grindelwald in Switzerland and took the furnicular railway up to the Jungfrau lookout. OG1 wants to go too, kind of reliving what Mum did. Walking trails seem Ok. The other option which seems pretty spectacular would be in the Dolomites. Any particular pros or cons either way. I'm thinking Switzerland might be more expensive (altho Cortina might be tòo). After that we'd end up in Rome maybe via Cinque Terre coast.
     
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    Grindelwald and Jungfrau - spectacular.
    We went in winter so it’ll be a different experience for you. But it’s one of very few places that I REALLY want to revisit.
     
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    Yep
    Bloody gorgeous
    Interlaken, eiger etc too
     
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    It is an amazing region, but expect to see hordes of Chinese & Indian tourists.

    If you want something very scenic, slightly less touristy and a bit cheaper consider the Salzkammergut lakes region in Austria.
     
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    Just booked flights to Prague flying Korean for all the family Jan 4 to Jan 28, $1500 return with one night layover in Korea on the way. Catch up with my brother and family who live in Prague and then we will all drive down into Austria to ski for two weeks. Not sure where yet, early days in planning.
     
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    Ok brains trust I need advice.

    At this stage after Italy (Florence, Milan, Lake Como), will be travelling to Lucerne on the intercity train. Planning 3 nights in Lucerne before making our way over to Montreux for the night. After Montreux I was looking towards Annecy as a good pit stop for the night before our ski week in the French alps (thinking Serre Chavelier). After ski week, then it’s back to Paris for 2 nights before fly out.

    Now the question is where do I pick up my car?

    The two options I’ve come up with is:
    1) Geneva - train from Montreux to Geneva, hire car and drive to Annecy. My only hesitation is that I’ve heard it’s more expensive to hire in Switzerland, and also the vignette req for using the Swiss motorway.
    2) Chambery - train from Montreux to Geneva, then Geneva to Chambery. Hire car and drive to Annecy.

    Help!
     
  20. CIRCA1962

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    You will be doing a lot of backtracking if you train to Chambery then drive back to Annecy (It is only about 30 minutes drive from Geneva airport if going against the commuter traffic). Transfer companies and Alpine buses provide a good service to most resorts in France so cars are not essential.
     
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    Slightly non-skiing related but looking for tips for you regular euro skiers pls! We (wife + 3 kids: 2 to 8 y/o) land in Paris on 27th Dec and then ski 3 Valleys from 5th Jan.

    Any tips for good places to go over that period with young kids? Done Paris and western Europe extensively so looking for somewhere else around that time.
     
  22. CarveMan

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    Get the train to GVA airport and rent a car from the French side. Way cheaper but won’t have snow tyres.
     
  23. Hermannator

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    Surely depends on how many in your posse..
     
  24. Crispy013

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    Just 2. Was thinking about flexibility in the mountains + also transfers between transport hubs at beginning/end of ski week.
     
  25. Hermannator

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    Hmmm so you hire in GVA, drive to Annecy. Then you are going to drive to Serre Chevalier?

    Would it be worth hiring the car in Italy then driving the whole trip until your ski week, returning it back to Italy when near Serre (e.g. Oulx)?
    Possibly switch the order? Go to Serre 1st then visit Annecy, Montreaux and Lucerne..

    Not sure...
     
  26. Johnny Come Lately

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    Back to St. Anton for a week, followed by Monterosa area in Italy for a new one to us.

    CANNOT WAIT!!
     
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    We're booked for Serre Chevalier - 12th Jan to 19th.

    After much umming and ahhing on which village to be based out of, decided this place looked pretty decent and had some exceptional reviews. Roughly A$200/night with brekky is not bad.

    http://www.lafermedebelline.com/
     
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  28. pykie87

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    The 3 valleys is an absolutely magical place at Christmas time, I stayed in Meribel about 6-7 years ago at Christmas, with some old neighbours who then lived in Europe, was spectacular.

    Taking my wife and 10 month old daughter to St Anton this christmas, really looking forward to it.

    We're spending a chunk in bavaria (driving Berlin-> Munich), dropping into Prague, with a bit in Switzerland after the snow after spending a week and a half in St Anton, and then over to Hungary for a few days.

    Budapest is an amazing city if you haven't done it.
     
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    second this Budapest is awesome. It’s also a direct train from Vienna so you can easily combine the 2 in one trip
     
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    Any tips for booking cars in either France or Switzerland? Websites to use? When to book? 4wd, snow tires standard?

    My only recent experience has been Japan and I seemed to have figured car hire there pretty well. My brief research keeps bombarding me with heaps of Euro style vehicles - I just have no idea if say a Citroen C3 is better than a Peurgot Partner, etc. Just want something for 2 ppl, reliable and compact for easy parking.
     
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    Can't offer any advice but there is a bit of a discussion on car hire in the Aosta thread nearby.
     
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    VW Golf is considerably less than a C3 if you rent in Zurich or Munich. Try CarFlexi.com or direct from Europecar.
     
  33. Piste Again

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    I normally use Argus Car Hire. They are agents for a number of rental companies and seem to generally get decent prices. We usually rent from the Swiss side of Geneva Airport and they usually come with winter tyres. Free cancellation on most rentals too!
     
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    Just put some dates into that site, gets interesting if you keep scrolling down!!

     
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    Do they come with snow chains though?
     
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    I generally go for the cheaper options.
     
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    Even the Russians would give you some 'restec-pa' rocking up in the "Rolls Royce Ghost"!!

    Maybe not?
     
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    My sig.other and myself based ourselves in Murren for a month of hiking...cheaper and quieter than Wengen/ Grindelwald but with the lift and train connections everywhere is easily accessible. Interlaken is close and a day out in Berne is easily done too. We originally planned a week and just kept extending until the hotel closed! Awesome area.
     
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  39. Hermannator

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    Right about now is a great time to be in this area. I did Lauterbrunnen and of course the Jungfrau (wish I'd had the skins...). The walk down from Wengen to Lauterbrunnen is most enjoyable. Generally, train/gondola up and walk down the best way to do it.
     
  40. Zeroz

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    We spent a week Murren in January 2018, skiing Murren off-piste and also Wengen (Lauberhorn!) and Grindelwald.
    Great for hiking too - not only ridiculously spectacular but has a great network of cable cars, funiculars, trains

    It's Switzerland. All linked, timetables synchronized, on time, immaculate. No car required, which I much prefer.

    If you stay in Murren it's car free. Only accessible via cableway, and then to a narrow gauge train
     
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    Unfortunately no Ferrari this time.

    Ended up booking a Fiat 500x out of Chambery. Roughly $65 AUD per day. Should do the job.
     
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    last year I put my hand up for volunteering at the World Championships in Åre next Feb
    I was finally accepted last week
    not sure how much skiing I’ll get but there will surely be some down time
    I’m having three days with step relos in Hakuba en route
     
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    Awesome, I've never been up there but have lots of friends that are regulars up there, it looks great.
    Often they get an overnight sleeper train up from Stockholm on a Friday, ski the weekend and sleeper train home for.work monday
     
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    I would normally jump at the chance of a sleeper train but I want to see scenery this time
     
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    Forest, lake, forest, lake, forest.... x1000 LOL
     
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    Yeah I would too, more the sleeper train convenience I was wanting to point out, syd-jindy like that would be epic
     
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    It’s fine in good weather and unless extreme snow.
    you’ll be up for the frejus tunnel toll just after modane and will then have to travel over the montgenerve pass (so chains may be needed if it’s snowing unless you’ve got winter tyres) worth a stop off to Ski montgenerve/clavier at the top of the pass before descending back down into briancon. The montgenerve pass is kept open pretty well, occasionally closes for control work but only really closed over any length of time in the really big a few times a season storms or first thing in the morning. Have driven the montgenerve pass a heap of times.

    The alternative is drive closer to Grenoble head toward alp d huez and then on 1091 via la grave and over the col du lautaret - this closes more than the montgenerve pass in bad weather and probably 20 mins longer.

    both are great scenic drives with big mountains views. If the weather is good and you can handle a bit longer going via la grave would be my preference to see La grave/Le meij (my favourite ski destination globally for off piste), but montgenerve also good depending what you’re into.
     
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    45 euro to pass through the tunnel :eek:. I think I might take the alternative via Grenoble. Thanks for the heads up.