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Europe 2018/19

Discussion in 'Europe' started by Kimski, May 10, 2018.

  1. Whiteman

    Whiteman A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, we just got back from our second trip to Saalbach, this time staying in Hinterglemm for 2 weeks, which is less expensive than staying in Saalbach itself. It's huge, plenty of variety to cover beginners to FIGS, and we noted many ski school classes with kids.

    We tried to avoid the annual Dutch holidays, which we hit last year, but sadly, they have changed them this year, and spread it over 3 weeks :eek: We knew we were in strife when we drove out of Munich airport into a sea of NL number plates. Best check for Dutch & German holidays for next year.

    We love the place, and will go back again.
     
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  2. Kletterer

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    What dates ?
     
  3. Bloke

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    Flexible, but in the late jan early feb range for two weeks
     
  4. Whiteman

    Whiteman A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    You could look at staying here, It's for rent.

     
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  5. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Saalbach huge skicircus awaits you. Day trips to nearby Zell am see- the pool complex there is awesome. Indoor climbing complex in Saalfelden etc.
     
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    Yes fully expecting that and will be armed accordingly.
     
  7. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    One of the many lift accesed off piste areas in the Skicircus - Asitz skiers right as a storm was lifting .
     
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    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Several good options.
    Saalbach-Hinterglemm-Leogang-Fieberbrunn as mentioned for sheer size is hard to go past You are also not far from Maria Alm-Hochkönig area which if you get a Salzburger super ski card is included on the same pass. I'll be back in this region in a few weeks time.
    Zillertal - several ski areas connected by train (also included in ski pass)
    Schladming/Ennstal several connected areas and a few others a short shuttle bus away and Schladming is a pretty nice town.
    Then there is the Arlberg region
     
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    Thanks for the tips all. I have commenced marketing the skicircus to my band of clowns
     
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  10. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I didn't want to answer this until I skied La Thuile, which I did yesterday.

    Aosta is a great ski base. In the Aosta Valley I've now skied Pila, La Thuile/La Rosiere, Courmayeur/Skyway, Crevacol, Champoluc and Gressoney (Skied Alagna too but doesn't count as is in Piedmont). Obvious exception there is Cervinia and my only Zermatt experience is finishing the Haute Route there.

    Aosta is more of a small city than a big town so you're not going to get much of a ski town experience, chance ski bar hookups with locals who will show you around etc etc, but it's cheap as anything and if you don't mind driving for up to an hour then you've got an amazing array of skiing at your fingertips.

    There's an Aosta season pass which covers everything I mentioned plus a few more small ones, it's 1000e, if you want a Zermatt add-on it's 1200e. That's pricy in the current world of Epic and Ikon passes, given the day tickets are around the 50e mark, you're looking at a 20/24 day break-even. But **** me there's a shitload of skiing on the pass, and that's before the Champoluc/Cervinia hookup that @Zeroz mentioned - doesn't add much more terrain but definitely aids convenience.

    We really enjoyed the affordability of Italy, I used to find Chamonix quite cheap but the last couple of trips it has definitely been creeping up, also not helped by the dollar being down in the 60s, I had one trip here at 0.73, so I reckon it's partially pricing and partially exchange rate driven. But we had no sticker shock at all in Italy, ate extremely well, people on the whole are super friendly, and as a rule Italian skiers are very piste driven so my experience is that the world is your oyster on a powder day.

    My major unfinished business in Val d'Aosta is in Gressoney/Alagna. So the question is would I park there or down the valley and drive in? Dunno. Google is saying 88km / 1hr 25 min drive from Aosta to Staffal.

    One other thing I like about the area is that French is a bit of a secondary language so I can get by as I don't speak much Italian.
     
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  11. Zeroz

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    Yes. I always chuckle at the way Euro's emphasize the vast cultural differences of places that are a few km apart.

    But..... Italy feels old school and radiates authenticity and fun. Reflected in the attitude of the people, feeling in the ski villages, and the overall pricing. You can even sense it on day trips, like Chamonix to Courmayeur or Zermatt to Cervinia.

    Obviously generalizing, but my sense is that France and Switzerland resorts have overplayed their hand, dropped standards, and let pricing get too high. While Italy and Austria offer a better culture, experience, and pricing.

    It's not about paying €3 for a coffee vs €1 in Italy. It's the pervasive "let's screw em" approach. Versus "let's not" in Italy.
    It's a blurred line and some places don't fit - for example the Dolomites is a massive skiing factory, La Grave is not.

    While acknowledging issues, I still love the culture, gigantic variety of skiing and options of Euro skiing
     
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    Spot on . Many places have lost the joys of providing a good service and have that this is a mundane task feel.
     
  13. person s

    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    €1 for coffee in Italy?
    that would be standing up, in 1985
     
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    Zeroz A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I paid €1 at on-mountain places in Italy in Feb. Some places charged an extortionate €1.50 or sometimes even €2.
    More importantly it was good. Usually produced from a large, elaborate and shiny Italian coffee machine.
     
  16. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    But no take away for you!
     
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  17. CarveMan

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    How about yesterday?
     
  18. CarveMan

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    From the coffee wanker thread:

    1.30 for a cappuccino, espresso was 1.00
     
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    DVP Hard Yards

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    Thanks for answering.. I know I'm not on here as much as I'd like to be.

    I agree about it not being a 'ski town' but in a way that's part of the appeal.. we even spent a week there in the summer last year with the kids and it was a brilliant town and valley. Towns like Cogne were stunning.

    As for lift passes if you are there a week at a time you can get a 6 day Pila pass which allows 2 days at other valley resorts which is much more affordable.

    If you're ever staying there again and want to ski Monterosa I'd suggest driving to the funicular at Frachey. Much shorter drive than Gressoney and from the top of there it's only 2 chairs to the ridge rather than 6 lifts from Champoluc.

    Off to La Ros/La Thuile next week. Can't wait
     
  20. CarveMan

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    Yeah I've heard Cogne is beautiful, didn't get enough time to check it out.

    I've heard that there's a plan to link Pila to Cogne as well.
     
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  21. Zeroz

    Zeroz A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No takeaway coffee. Or food - and they're proud of it!

    Orestes Hütte, in Champoluc, 2600 metres, down the off-piste route from Punta Indren.

    Our decision not offer sandwiches or "fast-foods" is tied to the fact that we prefer our customers to be seated in front of a well thought out and prepared dish to enjoy along with the amazing panorama and ambient. Our natural still spring water comes free of charge.


    A deep-fryer has never seen the inside of our kitchen. Processed foods are convenient and tasty but do not offer much in the way of nutrition. Nutritious foods give a sense of satisfaction and provide high and lasting energy levels without weighing you down.
     
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    I love slow food. Except when I'm in a hurry.
     
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  24. piolet

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    Crikey
    Vibes
     
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    That would be standing up in early 2019.
     
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    My coffee order usually comes in a bit more than that. Dunno why ...

     
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    Just downloaded my photos from our honeymoon in Europe.

    Sigh....

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  30. Hyst

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    In one week from now I will get onto the train in Malmö and next morning be in Duved (Åre) - weather has become a bit warmer, but snow seems to be perfect.

    However so far it says rain one day down in Åre - hope it will be snow a bit higher up.
    His week looks rather windy: https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/forecast/week/Åre_sweden_9114206
    Next week is still far out: https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/forecast/14-days/Åre_sweden_9114206

    At least we will not be cold like some others who had to stand around a lot up there. :D

    A romantic trip for the couple from 1981 - can't call that honeymoon I think - and need my energy during the day. :whistle:

    Taking the night-train to a ski resort is special - and no transfer - just get out of the train, dump the bags and put on the skis.
     
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    Pretty sure I've stopped at that hut for a coffee.
     
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    Mates skied the passon yesterday
    Looked lush! Good bit of pow too
    Lucky bastards
     
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    I'm up the VB again tomorrow.
     
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    PICSORBAN FFS
     
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    Of to Åre today - pitty no 60 year discount in Europe to be found! :headbang:

    "Only in Japan" ! :clap:

    All same as last year.
     
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    even at -27°, Åre was great
     
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    Yes, if you had got the right red uniform. :D (J.Lindeberg's)
     
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    be nice
    I had my own stuff underneath
     
  43. Hyst

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    Snowed all day yesterday in Åre and pistes stayed ungrouned. A bit heavy though.
    Not many people around.
    Low light and snow does not make the best pictures.
     
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    And from the hotel room now just before breakfast - looks ok - but fog might close in when it gets warming and next low is coming in tonight.
     
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    Up before 7am and hanging out for breakfast syndrome ;)
     
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    5 min to breakfast
     
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    Japanese queuing up for breakfast in Åre waiting for the doors.
    One had to be nr. one in the que
     
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    The weather kept somehow until 13.00 and we went to the other side of the mountain. Some of the lifts did not run until we showed up.
    The backside and Stendalen was empty - only the local lapcafe was open and receiving us as only guests.


    I like the vastness of the area


    After this "outback" returned to Åre from just under the top and enjoy lunch at Svartberget.


    At lunch the view was still nice.


    But after that snow and wind stopped me taking pictures.

    Earlier on the day took this for nostalgic purpose:whistle:
     
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    Tuesday turned out very well. During the night it had snowed and the wind was strong - but in the morning all that was gone and sunshine lasted almost all day.
    Took the skibus into Åre and had seen from the bus that the high zone "Kabinebanen" and "Gondolen" were running.
    Crossed over and down to the VM 8:er up to "Gondolen", just to hear that it would take at least one hour before taking passengers.
    Ok, off we went to discover the furthest eastern "Bjørnen"- the family and children part of Åre.
    My old Samsung G S4 (yes - quite antic) is no that great camera, so will make use of googles magic.

    From the "Sadeln" towards "1000m Platån" your see some of the little off piste in Åre.


    The child runs are always fun for us

    and we even saw the first kalibu


    After turning around as far east we could get (biside "Copperhill) we returned down to Åre "Kabinebanen", witch was runnig for the first time during our stay, and went up to the top pulled behind snow scooter.
    From the top there was a nice view 360 (400) degrees around.


    This sowmonster (no, no - not Mrs. Hyst)

    looks like this inside


    Japanese feel at home with this snow condition


    To show that blue sky and sun in fact is possible in Åre some prof here



    However icing is a problem also a bit down from the top

    And quickly home - not having Mrs Hyst becoming an other snowmonster.
     

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