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Flights booked for 6 days in Val Thorens, then a week in the UK with family. Flying into Geneva with Qantas/Emirates.

Anybody got any good tips on transfers? My flight gets in about 7pm and the coach options dont look great - will have me getting to my room at 1am if I'm lucky, so thinking I might splash on a private transfer to make things a little easier. If anyone has anybody they've used or would reccomend?
 
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Flights booked for 6 days in Val Thorens, then a week in the UK with family. Flying into Geneva with Qantas/Emirates.

Anybody got any good tips on transfers? My flight gets in about 7pm and the coach options dont look great - will have me getting to my room at 1am if I'm lucky, so thinking I might splash on a private transfer to make things a little easier. If anyone has anybody they've used or would reccomend?

Have used these guys before going to Cham and both been good, not sure where else they go though...

http://www.mountaindropoffs.com/

http://www.easybus.com/en/geneva-airport
 

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Anybody got any good tips on transfers? My flight gets in about 7pm and the coach options dont look great - will have me getting to my room at 1am if I'm lucky, so thinking I might splash on a private transfer to make things a little easier. If anyone has anybody they've used or would reccomend?

There are very few shortcuts to French resorts unless you have a heli. Its gonna be 4ish hours to VT on a big bus. 3.5 in a minibus. And thats assuming clear roads. A car might do it in 2.5-3 hours. A private transfer (ie. taxi) is gonna cost you 500€, probablz more at that time of day. Rental car would be an option although not sure what the parking situation is like in VT.

Bens Bus are good - https://www.bensbus.co.uk
 

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Flights booked for 6 days in Val Thorens, then a week in the UK with family. Flying into Geneva with Qantas/Emirates.

Anybody got any good tips on transfers? My flight gets in about 7pm and the coach options dont look great - will have me getting to my room at 1am if I'm lucky, so thinking I might splash on a private transfer to make things a little easier. If anyone has anybody they've used or would reccomend?
I caught a bus from Geneva to Val d'Isere which is a similar distance. It wasn't too painful but wasn't the best either. Obv the private transfer is the way to go but will be $$$.
 

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Am organising a Cham reunion mid March for a bunch of peeps who used to live there late 80s to late 90s, well some made a life out of it and are still living there or come and go. Have about 15 guys from Oz so far going and hopefully a fair group from Sweden and obviously the peeps that are now locals, just a tad exited :)

Made this video trailer years ago for a different Cham page so put it up in our FB group to remind the boys why they are going back, there is a litte bit of skiing in it :), aaah the good old days…
https://vimeo.com/25792860

Locked and loaded, lookout Cham, the boys are back in town :)
 

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Recently from Kitzsteinhorn.
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To many words - just tell me:
1) will there by lods of snow in Trysil and bluebird days in beginning of January? (I know it will be dark).
2) same question for Peisey Vallandry but for beginning of February.
Yes or no for both questions will do!:fishing:
There will surely be sufficient (trysil)
Anything that falls sticks around cause it's too bloody cold
Nice mountain though novelty expensive
 

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There will surely be sufficient (trysil)
Anything that falls sticks around cause it's too bloody cold
Nice mountain though novelty expensive

The cheap way:
Bring all the food along (from DK)! (And the drinks :cheers:) Rent a cottage for many people.
And remember your headlamp.:evil:
 
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The cheap way:
Bring all the food along (from DK)! (And the drinks :cheers:) Rent a cottage for many people.
And remember your headlamp.:evil:
Yeah for sure... Ski in/out actually pays off too as a nice lunch and warm up for the crew is easy as. We just cooked something for dinner that worked well as easy warm leftovers for lunch.
A single meal on mountain will blow the whole trip budget let alone a few beers :eek:
 
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Getting things germinating for this coming season, helps ease the pain of that in-between bastard time that is late spring / early summer / work.

Taking the poopy pants back to see his grandparents, who will handily double as babysitters....in their luxury camper van, that handily knows it's way through the Alps.

Many hours can be lost looking at trail maps on Bergfex!! And that's before I even get to that fluctuating line that is the Austrian-Italian border. So many verticals, so much technical terrains, so many places to go....

(Couple more from 15/16)
(**Step aside kiddies, tobogganing is for the big boys!)

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Certainly quite a bit more upmarket than I would have gone. You will certainly be very comfortable but a bit lighter in wallet.

Don't know what the connection is between Klammer & Kärnten and this hotel in Salzburg province?
 

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Certainly quite a bit more upmarket than I would have gone. You will certainly be very comfortable but a bit lighter in wallet.
DSNS ski trip philosophy:
- As cheap as I can possibly do for ~20 ski days in our ski season
- Nice NH trip
I've worked very hard to become debt free, I have a good job and this time around I'm using my long service leave on me and not paying off someone elses house :)
 

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DSNS ski trip philosophy:
- As cheap as I can possibly do for ~20 ski days in our ski season
- Nice NH trip
I've worked very hard to become debt free, I have a good job and this time around I'm using my long service leave on me and not paying off someone elses house :)

whereas the big part of my ski trip expenses is on the heliskiing in NZ
 
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Today's AFR reports on Knight Frank’s Ski Property Report 2017:

"The best-performing resort was the 1035-metre-altitude Chamonix in France, where the ‘‘typical prime price’’ rose 4.8 per cent to €11,000 ($16,500) a square metre. The worst was Switzerland’s Crans Montana, where the typical prime price sank 15 per cent to CHF12,623 ($16,448). ‘‘Tucked within the Canton of Valais, the 1500-metre resort of Crans Montana saw prices slip 15 per cent in the year to June 2017 as older stock accounted for a large proportion of the inventory and vendors displayed a greater willingness to negotiate on price,’’ the report said."

If you are going to Crans Montana this season take your cheque book and grab a bargain!
 

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New Chamonix developments are being limited by the local gov to mostly only allow new stock to be for tourism rentals, not to sit empty, to benefit local industry thus pushing up the prices for the old 'free hold' stock over the last few years.
 

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Today's AFR reports on Knight Frank’s Ski Property Report 2017:

"The best-performing resort was the 1035-metre-altitude Chamonix in France, where the ‘‘typical prime price’’ rose 4.8 per cent to €11,000 ($16,500) a square metre. The worst was Switzerland’s Crans Montana, where the typical prime price sank 15 per cent to CHF12,623 ($16,448). ‘‘Tucked within the Canton of Valais, the 1500-metre resort of Crans Montana saw prices slip 15 per cent in the year to June 2017 as older stock accounted for a large proportion of the inventory and vendors displayed a greater willingness to negotiate on price,’’ the report said."

If you are going to Crans Montana this season take your cheque book and grab a bargain!
I dont really rate Crans Montana, the town was absolutely dead when i was there.
 

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wetter.at forecasting cold front Friday with snow to 1500- 1200 , Second front arriving Sunday with stormy conditions and more snow starting around 1500 dropping to 1000 in the Northern Austrian region Monday.
 

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129 more sleeps, not that I’m counting :)
But I hear Oliver has sold the Belouga business and will retire in December. They better keep the Americain on the menu or we’ll have to get him in as our private chef.
 

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I have used a guide every time I've gone to Europe and it's basically word of mouth or a local recommendation.
This time we start in central Switzerland for a week and then go ..??? ... somewhere where it has snowed a lot.
But that could be Italy, France, or ?? So I've been checking out info on local guides in a number of areas.

I have often thought the 'internet' thing that all the kids are using could vastly improve the process.
Unsurprisingly, plenty of people also had the same idea. But they built an app.

Anyone used any of these? telegraph.co.uk/ski/the-best-ski-instructor-apps/ Different approaches and bus.models.



The best apps for finding and booking ski instructors

ski-apps-roped-up.jpg

Roped Up allows users to find like-minded skier and snowboarders to book group lessons together CREDIT: ROPED UP
6 OCTOBER 2017 • 5:08PM


There is now a plethora of apps and websites to help skiers and snowboarders book instructors or mountain guides, or just find someone to hit the slopes with.

Like all sections of the tech industry, they come and go, but we’ve picked some of the best, offering an innovative way to get the most out of your ski holiday. Most focus on specific regions or collections of resorts in Europe or North America.

Best for finding instructors in France
Maison Sport
Founded by three former British ski team coaches/athletes, this is a booking website for private, adult group or children’s group ski and snowboard lessons. Maison Sport says it has more than 300 instructors registered and the site recommends two or three best suited to your needs after you input ski resort and dates into its search engine.

There’s a great live chat facility with Maison Sport administrators on the site, and you can also message the instructors before making a request to book. Maison Sport advises customers to message three instructors. At this point, users create an account, and after deciding on an instructor and making a request to book must enter payment details. Payment is taken if the instructor accepts the reservation, but not released to the instructor until after the lesson takes place. Users can leave online reviews for instructors.

All registered instructors are qualified to work independently, which means they have the highest ski instructor qualification, as required under French law and are verified by the French Government Department of Sport.

How much?
Website is free to use, Maison Sport adds a 7 per cent booking fee.
More info: maisonsport.com



Best for last-minute bookings
SkiBro
This booking app gives an instant view of available instructors where you are, and is beefing up its offering this winter by expanding from Val d’Isère/Tignes to more resorts in France - Paradiski (Les Arcs and La Plagne), the Trois Valleés (Courchevel, Méribel, Val Thorens) - and the Swiss/French Portes du Soleil area.

Instructor profiles include a video introducing themselves, details of what kind of lesson they specialise in, and customer reviews. There’s on-peak/off-peak pricing and live in-app GPS tracking to facilitate a meeting point - users can see each other on a map. However, since it’s only recently launched, there are not many individual instructors signed up as yet. Evolution2 is SkiBro’s main ski school partner, SkiBro handles the payments, and takes a commission on the booking from the school.

As well as instructors and guides, SkiBro also plans to offer booking on fun, adventurous experiences including dog sledding and heliskiing from January 2018.

How much?
Free app for iPhone/Android, no booking fee.
More info: skibro.com


Best for making new ski/snowboard buddies
GoSnow
This app is used by 75,000 people over 120 resorts in 16 countries. Users fill in profile with a photo and details such as home town, next planned trip and favourite resorts. While you can use it to buy lift passes and organise instructors in your chosen resort (instructors have to upload certificates to prove their qualifications), it’s probably most useful for hooking up with nearby skiers/snowboarders.

It can help you join a group of like-minded riders on the slopes or at resort events, organise car sharing to/from and around resorts. You could also organise group holidays with people who live near you. While it has a lot of users, including some in the UK, most are currently American. Payment for any lessons is done within the app.

How much?
Free app for iPhone/Android, no booking fee.
More info: gosnow.in

Best for speeding up research
Ongosa
This website aims to use information about what skiers and snowboarders want, then link them up with the best instructor or mountain guide to suit their needs within 48 hours of a request. Ongosa estimates it saves each client about an hour of research time.

After doing the research, the team offers up to three suggestions from an established network of 4,000 professionals, and based on actual availability. Ongosa works with private instructors, guides and ski schools (including New Generation, Oxygen and the ESF). It operates mainly across Europe, but says it can also help clients headed to Canada, Japan and the US. Clients only pay once they’re happy with what they’re offered.

How much?
Free to register. Ongosa adds a 3 per cent fee per transaction.
Contact details: ongosa.com

Best for sharing the cost of an instructor or guide
Roped Up
The Roped Up website brings together like-minded skiers and snowboarders who want to hire an instructor or guide for a group session, but don’t have enough people. Users create a group by sport, ability level, instructor type required, dates and so on, and then either invite other users on the site to join the group, or search and link up with other groups already set up.

This can save quite a bit of money. For example, if you arrved in Chamonix and took a guide on your own or in a pair it would cost in the region of €350 — but that price can be lowered using by Roped Up to organise sharing the guide with other people.

The service is available for Méribel, Val d’Isère and Chamonix in France, and Verbier in Switzerland. Guides and instructors from well-established ski schools are available to hire from half a day to six days, for from one person to a group of eight. Roped Up also runs events such avalanche training days, all of which are bookable on the website.

How much?
Free-to-use website. Roped Up charges €15 to €20 per half-day/full-day transaction for the cost splitting service.
More info: ropedup.com

Best for price comparisions
Check Yeti
Founded in Austria and Switzerland in 2014, this well-established online platform (website and mobile app) allows users to search for and compare ski/snowboard instructors and guides in more than 350 resorts across Europe. Everything from kids’ courses to off-piste lessons is available, across five countries and in several languages, and instructors and schools registered must have appropriate qualifications and licence for their resort to sign up.

Whether it's lessons for the kids or a day's off-piste guiding, these apps can help find it
Users type the ski resort they’re going to into the search facility on the app or website, and a list of ski school offers instantly comes up — there’s no need to create an account if you don’t want to and you can message providers with any questions before confirming a booking. Payment is handled by a third party provider — credit cards are charged as soon a booking is made. The booking is binding once the ski school has accepted it, but can be cancelled. Some schools won’t charge even if you cancel 24 hours before a lesson, others have stricter policies.

How much?
Free app, no booking fee.
More info: checkyeti.com
 
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Roped up sounds interesting.
Somewhere like cham isn't too hard to find partners; guided group days will usually have someone else with similar interests and you get to ski/hang with them prior too.
 
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I have used a guide every time I've gone to Europe and it's basically word of mouth or a local recommendation.
This time we start in central Switzerland for a week and then go ..??? ... somewhere where it has snowed a lot.
But that could be Italy, France, or ?? So I've been checking out info on local guides in a number of areas.

I have often thought the 'internet' thing that all the kids are using could vastly improve the process.
Unsurprisingly, plenty of people also had the same idea. But they built an app.

Anyone used any of these? telegraph.co.uk/ski/the-best-ski-instructor-apps/ Different approaches and bus.models.



The best apps for finding and booking ski instructors

ski-apps-roped-up.jpg

Roped Up allows users to find like-minded skier and snowboarders to book group lessons together CREDIT: ROPED UP
6 OCTOBER 2017 • 5:08PM


There is now a plethora of apps and websites to help skiers and snowboarders book instructors or mountain guides, or just find someone to hit the slopes with.

Like all sections of the tech industry, they come and go, but we’ve picked some of the best, offering an innovative way to get the most out of your ski holiday. Most focus on specific regions or collections of resorts in Europe or North America.

Best for finding instructors in France
Maison Sport
Founded by three former British ski team coaches/athletes, this is a booking website for private, adult group or children’s group ski and snowboard lessons. Maison Sport says it has more than 300 instructors registered and the site recommends two or three best suited to your needs after you input ski resort and dates into its search engine.

There’s a great live chat facility with Maison Sport administrators on the site, and you can also message the instructors before making a request to book. Maison Sport advises customers to message three instructors. At this point, users create an account, and after deciding on an instructor and making a request to book must enter payment details. Payment is taken if the instructor accepts the reservation, but not released to the instructor until after the lesson takes place. Users can leave online reviews for instructors.

All registered instructors are qualified to work independently, which means they have the highest ski instructor qualification, as required under French law and are verified by the French Government Department of Sport.

How much?
Website is free to use, Maison Sport adds a 7 per cent booking fee.
More info: maisonsport.com



Best for last-minute bookings
SkiBro
This booking app gives an instant view of available instructors where you are, and is beefing up its offering this winter by expanding from Val d’Isère/Tignes to more resorts in France - Paradiski (Les Arcs and La Plagne), the Trois Valleés (Courchevel, Méribel, Val Thorens) - and the Swiss/French Portes du Soleil area.

Instructor profiles include a video introducing themselves, details of what kind of lesson they specialise in, and customer reviews. There’s on-peak/off-peak pricing and live in-app GPS tracking to facilitate a meeting point - users can see each other on a map. However, since it’s only recently launched, there are not many individual instructors signed up as yet. Evolution2 is SkiBro’s main ski school partner, SkiBro handles the payments, and takes a commission on the booking from the school.

As well as instructors and guides, SkiBro also plans to offer booking on fun, adventurous experiences including dog sledding and heliskiing from January 2018.

How much?
Free app for iPhone/Android, no booking fee.
More info: skibro.com


Best for making new ski/snowboard buddies
GoSnow
This app is used by 75,000 people over 120 resorts in 16 countries. Users fill in profile with a photo and details such as home town, next planned trip and favourite resorts. While you can use it to buy lift passes and organise instructors in your chosen resort (instructors have to upload certificates to prove their qualifications), it’s probably most useful for hooking up with nearby skiers/snowboarders.

It can help you join a group of like-minded riders on the slopes or at resort events, organise car sharing to/from and around resorts. You could also organise group holidays with people who live near you. While it has a lot of users, including some in the UK, most are currently American. Payment for any lessons is done within the app.

How much?
Free app for iPhone/Android, no booking fee.
More info: gosnow.in

Best for speeding up research
Ongosa
This website aims to use information about what skiers and snowboarders want, then link them up with the best instructor or mountain guide to suit their needs within 48 hours of a request. Ongosa estimates it saves each client about an hour of research time.

After doing the research, the team offers up to three suggestions from an established network of 4,000 professionals, and based on actual availability. Ongosa works with private instructors, guides and ski schools (including New Generation, Oxygen and the ESF). It operates mainly across Europe, but says it can also help clients headed to Canada, Japan and the US. Clients only pay once they’re happy with what they’re offered.

How much?
Free to register. Ongosa adds a 3 per cent fee per transaction.
Contact details: ongosa.com

Best for sharing the cost of an instructor or guide
Roped Up
The Roped Up website brings together like-minded skiers and snowboarders who want to hire an instructor or guide for a group session, but don’t have enough people. Users create a group by sport, ability level, instructor type required, dates and so on, and then either invite other users on the site to join the group, or search and link up with other groups already set up.

This can save quite a bit of money. For example, if you arrved in Chamonix and took a guide on your own or in a pair it would cost in the region of €350 — but that price can be lowered using by Roped Up to organise sharing the guide with other people.

The service is available for Méribel, Val d’Isère and Chamonix in France, and Verbier in Switzerland. Guides and instructors from well-established ski schools are available to hire from half a day to six days, for from one person to a group of eight. Roped Up also runs events such avalanche training days, all of which are bookable on the website.

How much?
Free-to-use website. Roped Up charges €15 to €20 per half-day/full-day transaction for the cost splitting service.
More info: ropedup.com

Best for price comparisions
Check Yeti
Founded in Austria and Switzerland in 2014, this well-established online platform (website and mobile app) allows users to search for and compare ski/snowboard instructors and guides in more than 350 resorts across Europe. Everything from kids’ courses to off-piste lessons is available, across five countries and in several languages, and instructors and schools registered must have appropriate qualifications and licence for their resort to sign up.

Whether it's lessons for the kids or a day's off-piste guiding, these apps can help find it
Users type the ski resort they’re going to into the search facility on the app or website, and a list of ski school offers instantly comes up — there’s no need to create an account if you don’t want to and you can message providers with any questions before confirming a booking. Payment is handled by a third party provider — credit cards are charged as soon a booking is made. The booking is binding once the ski school has accepted it, but can be cancelled. Some schools won’t charge even if you cancel 24 hours before a lesson, others have stricter policies.

How much?
Free app, no booking fee.
More info: checkyeti.com
Sounds like you are looking to ski somewhere new.
 

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Yeah for week 2 we're very likely to be in Chamonix again unless it dumps in Alagna and I finally get to ski there.
4th time I've tried to ski Monterosa. Just never good off-piste snow conditions when I am available.

Chamonix on the other hand is high and you can go back 10 times and not run out of interesting stuff.
But there are three of us and finding a guide group to slot into isn't easy. I'm also not committing until i see the forecast.
 
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Yeah for week 2 we're very likely to be in Chamonix again unless it dumps in Alagna and I finally get to ski there.
4th time I've tried to ski Monterosa. Just never good off-piste snow conditions when I am available.

Chamonix on the other hand is high and you can go back 10 times and not run out of interesting stuff.
But there are three of us and finding a guide group to slot into isn't easy. I'm also not committing until i see the forecast.
What dates are you there ?
 

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Yeah it's not about the cost. With 3+ weeks of skiing together it's good to add some diversity to the gene pool and ski with others for a while. I learn things and have interesting experiences with people I wouldn't normally ski with.

I find Euro skiing very sociable with chalets and hotel accom incl meals encouraging mingling. The wine seems to help too
 

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Yep. Webcams yesterday on Kitzteinhorn showed lots of skiers on the hill. Get that knee strong for a ski with us in Saalbach mid Jan.

@Kletterer let me know your dates/itinerary if you can. I've actually got another mate from Aus who's looking to be in Saalbach in Jan so would be nice to coordinate.
 

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My neighbour sent a whatsapp vid from Hintertux Glacier yesterday. Weekend envy.
 

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