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Discussion in 'Alpine & Snow' started by Kletterer, Oct 1, 2019.
Groomers are out at Serfaus-Fiss
Was back mostly to grass yesterday at Oberjoch. Snowed overnight, looks like 20 cents.
Snow level down to the lower valley of Bad Hindelang, roughly 800 m asl.
More snow incoming for Champoluc, Italy!!
Ski Club of Great Britain does a global overview every few days. Good for a summary and to point to areas getting snow, or not.
https://www.skiclub.co.uk/snow-and-weather/snow-overview. Euro highlights below, from yesterday.
Italy & France good, but overall not a bad Euro start. Big storms coming this weekend.
Heavy snow fell to the west of Austria on Monday and therefore some great skiing conditions can be found in resorts to the west this week such as Obergurgl and Sölden. Both resorts now have over 75% of their lifts open. Mayrhofen is also offering great skiing conditions and has 40 out of 45 lifts open currently.
Further to the east more snow is needed to ensure that more terrain can open up and that more lifts can turn. The good news is that significant amounts of snow is forecasted to fall in the Alps this week. Ischgl is offering some of the best skiing in Austria and 108cm of snow is forecast to fall there over the next 6 days. Only 27cm of that is forecast to fall in the next 3 days, meaning that the early to mid part of the week will be a great time to get out on the snow.
The heavy snow will also be of much help to resorts such as Lech and St Anton where only half of the lifts are currently open. Hopefully we will start to see a move away from the reliance on snowmaking in these resorts and the lower resorts in Tirol & Salzburgerland.
If you were impressed with the amount of snow that is due to fall in Austria this week then you’ll be seriously impressed with the amount of snow forecast in France for this week. Meribel will see a mammoth 237cm of snow over the next 6 days! The resorts where under 1m of snow will fall are in the minority.
Conditions in the Three Valleys have not been at their best at the beginning of the season but with the heavy snow forecast in all three valleys, conditions could quickly catch up the Espace Killy which has seen the pick of the early season conditions in France so far. Four more lifts opened up in the area over the weekend. Snow storms are due to provide much of the snow that will fall across the Alps this week and as a result it is possible that higher areas in the Three Valleys and Espace Killy could close at some point this week.
Flaine is due to open on Saturday and it will see a heavy dump of snow this week just in time to ensure that some great skiing will be on offer by then. Chamonix and Alpe d’Huez opened over the weekend just gone and at the moment they have five and 24 lifts open respectively. The heavy snow forecast for this week will lead to some potentially fantastic skiing over the festive season.
Sunday and Monday saw lots of snowfall throughout the Swiss Alps. Some of the resorts remaining unopened, such as Mürren, are due to open this weekend just in time to take advantage of the fresh snow.
The Andermatt-Sedrun area is offering some great snow conditions at the moment with an upper base depth of well over 3m. Great snow can also be found in Saas Fee and the upper pistes in Engelberg, with the latter due to see well over 1m of fresh snow over the next 6 days. Further snow is needed to release the full potential of the lower areas in Engelberg.
More snow is needed in the lower parts of resorts such as Laax, Wengen and Andermatt and hopefully this should be provided by the snow storms moving across the Alps this week dumping significant amounts of snow.
Italy has experienced an incredibly snowy start to the season. The base depths of snow are some of the best of anywhere in the world with the upper slopes of Passo Tonale having a whopping base depth of 4m.
The snow storms are also forecast to sweep across the Italian mountains this week. Some resorts are due to see snowfall that will rival the snow in France. Over 2m of snow is forecast to fall in both Courmayeur and Pila. Both resorts already have fantastic snow conditions and are running at almost full capacity, with only a single lift left to be opened in Courmayeur and all lifts currently turning in Pila. Other resorts in the Aosta Valley are also reporting good snow conditions.
Sauze d’Oulx and other resorts in the Milky Way will also experience heavy snowfall. The impressive base depths of snow in the area will be added to significantly this week, meaning you will be able to find great ski conditions in the area this week and next.
Excellent @Zeroz . Will be in Chamonix on Jan 2 . Their FB Snow Report page post this yesterday
For upto date ski conditions across a wide variety of resorts I find this the most useful:-
looking at the cams this morning and the snow is hammering down.
Looking good for the Southern Alps for the next few weeks.
Some bouts of snowfall for the Northern Alps, but benefits from a more zonal setup in mid-January
Another metre of snow due for Monterosa.
On top of a big Nov for much of Europe, Dec is going well, especially the southern Alps.
Crazy amounts of snow here in CCV, never had so much for Chrissy. Roads were chaotic after 1m of fresh today. Apparently most upper slopes closed bc too dangerous.
More on the way.
Just been looking at the GFS mrf for Europe as we'll be there in late January. GFS can come up with some pretty unbelievable scenarios for Japanese winter weather sometimes but this one caught my eye for Europe. Is this even possible?
The current NH weather pattern has become very unfavourable for Europe and very favourable for North America.
Need a high/low pressure shift.
It has also been an extremely mild December in London.
My latest European snowfall long term outlook:
Change might not be coming for a while, maybe a relaxation of the unfavourable pattern later in the month though.
For 24 hours now there has been a change in the weather pattern showing for Champoluc. Fingers crossed the current blocking system breaks down.
We’re in our last week 3V, it’s been amazing, day after day of good snow, still and sunny, crisp. But if current forecast holds, it won’t have snowed for an entire month, pretty bizarre.
Hoping for a but more snow in the coming days to freshen things up.
First day on snow 1st February. If it doesn't snow before then I'm blaming smitty.
Looks like a decent dump on Friday night. Cover is still great up high and holding amazing well. Off to Mt Vallon for first tracks this morning.
Look out for us!
The smitty curse goes trans-continental!
Same day as me actually
In fact snow droughts are common in the Alps - a high pressure area builds up over the Alps & generally needs a strong front to move in from the Atlantic to shift it. In the five seasons I did out there (one in Meribel, four in Tignes) there was at least one 3 week plus drought during each.
Actually GFS is looking pretty good for the end of the month. I expect it'll change a dozen times before then though.
Where are you looking at charts?
I'll post the link later. It's too complicated on my phone.
Here's the link.
I usually look at the latest 12Z. When you open it scroll down until you reach the z500 mslp charts for eu.
Any updates? PMGs link was a little too full on for me to follow. It was like I'd hacked into the server!
Lol. It's not that bad once you get used to it.
It's still looking okay for the end of the month at this stage. (I'm interested in Austria)
If you are still coming to Monterosa, then you should have fresh snow next for your arrival on Feb 1.
A big Nov and Dec left a big base. Storm around 28 Jan (cm's keep changing) plus small stuff late this week.
I am currently in Alagna.
Yes looks like something potentially brewing for my arrival. I’ll be in Champoluc from the 1st. Guide has been booked for a few days too.
Are you just riding piste in Alagna or venturing OOB?
First trip for me to the Italian Alps arriving Friday for two weeks. We've hired a car so I'm flexible but planning first week Aosta Valley region (Pila, Courmayeur, , La Thuile) then we'll go to whatever looks the best for snow. West to Sainte Foy/Les Arcs, NE to Monterosa, Cervinia/ Macugnaga? Or South to Oulx or Sestriere? If there is no new snow even east to the Dolomites for some groomers. I'm leaving it all in the hands of the weather gods!
Actually having a look at the weather maps and it looks like Norway is going to get dumped on in the next week. Anyone have any experience with Norway? Don't know much about it and I suspect the days will be short but it seems snow is lining up for every day for the next week.
Norway - VERY expensive country. Resorts small compared to the Alps. Everyone speaks English. Bloody long drive from Italy - your car hire & insurance may not even cover it as it is outside the EU.
For upto the minute snow reports from people in resort find the relevant resort(s) on here :- https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/snow_reports.php?
That's a hell of a lot of data!! but not so easy to filter.
https://www.wxcharts.com/ This seems to do ok too.
All off-piste. Alagna is the wrong choice for those who like to ski pistes. Not that sort of place.
20 minute discussion with our guide today on the intricacies of local snow forecasting.
TLDR - it's complicated and it depends. But it's gonna snow next week in Monterosa.
Most areas will get snow next week. Places like Courmayeur and Pila might get 70cms on Wed/Thu.
Numbers keep moving around as it's still too early to be specific.
We are also ready to go somewhere and will make a late decision as the forecast firms up.
Starting to warm up in the Grand Massif. Aussie spring conditions on the way for the next couple of days.
Longer range looks like potentially some decent weather brewing for the start of Feb.
Yes fingers cross for start of Feb. A last minute change from Italy to Norway wouldn't have been too bad cost wise. We probably would have lost 4 nights hotel payment ($500) rental car would have been a full refund and return flights from Milan to Oslo was $250. A bit hard to compare low altitude coastal Norwegian snow to high altitude alps snow, but the temperatures will be cold enough in Norway for the snow to hopefully be quite dry. Looks like a warm start to the front hitting Friday 31st could bring some wet stuff to most places in the Alps.
Finally, snow is back on the menu for Monterosa
Certainly more interesting weather showing up in the forecast, no longer just a dominant blocking high.
This could be fun.....