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European Snow Season 2018/2019

Discussion in 'Weather' started by Snowmaker7, Sep 9, 2018.

  1. Snowmaker7

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    Good stuff. I'll be in Austria all of January so will be following this thread tooth and nail!
     
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  3. bugeater

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    When does the season get started usually? Seeing as I'll be over there in the second half of October :whistle:
     
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    POW_hungry Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Usually not too much is skiable until December, to draw a comparison December in Europe is somewhat like our June. Fickle and on a limited base.
    That said you can still manage to ski/board glacial resorts in October. IIRC resorts such as Stubai and Zermatt usually offer this...
     
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  5. Heinz

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    You'll only be skiing glacier resorts in October. Many places have a nominated December opening but snow may still be lacking. The World cup ski racing season has its traditional start with a GS at Sölden on the Rettenbacher glacier on Oct 28, so if you want to see some top class racing have a look at that otherwise try other glacier resorts like Kitzsteinhorn, Stubai etc.
     
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    Hmmm, very interesting. I'll have to check it out. I should have a weekend in the middle of my work trip, but I don't know where that will be based yet.

    Edit: looks like being based in Vienna for the weekend is my best bet, though it seems a bit far from the glacier skiing areas.
     
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  7. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can you base in Innsbruck? Or else even Munich.
     
  8. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Never been to Europe skiing. Will do so in 2020. Where is the most reliable in terms of snow?
     
  9. bugeater

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    Probably not. I'll get flown to where we need to be for work and Vienna is apparently a good travel hub for continental Europe. But Innsbruck is only about 4 or 5 hours drive, so I could probably hire a car and drive up for a couple of days. Might be able to get work to pay for accommodation, since I'll be needing it anyway.....
    The Stubai Glacier looks like the best bet.
     
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  10. Heinz

    Heinz Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Vienna certainly is a very good hub for Europe especially for Eastern parts and not too big so quick to get in and out of. Have used it regularly. But I think Munich is also quite good as a hub and it is only 2 hours by train to Innsbruck and many areas in Tirol & Salzburg, so might work better for your potential quick trips.
    Here is a summary of glacier resorts in Austria.
    https://www.bergfex.at/oesterreich/gletscher/ (German version)
    https://www.bergfex.com/oesterreich/gletscher/ (English version - but not loading at the moment).
     
  11. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Some of my most memorable days have been around mid December or even earlier . Early season has a very different feel to it . Kind of like the poaching hunter. Pitztal ftw
     
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    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Find a resort where you do the bulk of your skiing above 2000m. Altitude is the key metric in the Alps IMO.

    The base elevation of the town may be below 2000m but you often find that the low altitude towns have an access lift/s up to a mid-station and the lifts fan out above that and you spend the bulk of your day there. If that mid station is approx 2000m you're on to a winner.

    This is one such example, not necessarily the right one for you but one I'm familiar with:

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Whiteman

    Whiteman A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    We are returning to Saalbach-Hinterglemm next Feb to hopefully ski the remaining 2/3 of the area we didn't get to ski last trip. Staying in Hinterglemm this time. The Ski Circus is huge. :D
     
  14. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks. I dont know why but I seem partial to Austria. The vastness of Saalbach-Hinterglemm does appeal but Id have to check the snow reliability. Looking to go xmas for 2 weeks.
     
  15. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I know very little about Austria bit @Heinz and @Kletterer sure do.

    That's another thing about the Alps that you've touched on is you need to decide which culture appeals, we've discussed this before with @Rabid K9 - each of our other halves is quite specific about where they like to ski culturally, I have a hard time getting CG to ski in Austria as the germanic thing doesn't really do it for her, nor does the food so we're more keen on France and Italy.
     
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    Said mid-station is currently on fire. Whoops.

     
  17. dmz

    dmz More cheeeese Gromit Ski Pass: Gold

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    For me Austria, Germany, France or Italy would appeal on culture and food. And my better half would agree (although she does speak French so maybe val d'isere?)
     
  18. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm a big fan of Val d'Isere and think it would provide a great intro to Euro skiing.

    You haven't really narrowed skiing in the Alps down with that country list, just add Switzerland and you've got the overwhelming majority of the countries!! But it's horrendously expensive their due to the exchange rate......
     
  19. Rabid K9

    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's not ideal.

    Cultural diversity is one of the joys of the Euro Alps.
     
  20. Heinz

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    and here is one Austrian example.
     
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    Hintertux.
     
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    Just a bit more on the culture thing that @CarveMan mentioned. One thing that can get you by surprise is when ownership of a Hotel changes to foreign owners. This can result in a less than authentic experience. Has happened to me twice- Bad Gastein 2016 and Hinterglemm 2018. Whatever European country you decide stay in you generaly have a better stay at a hotel- pension etc that is run by locals , who retain that local pride- and love for the mountains.... not just there to make a dollar. If i pay good money at a 4 star Hotel then i expect gourmet traditional local fare- not a laclustre Hungarian or Russian version. A little critical perhaps but if the brochure says gemutlichkeit- geniesen und echte Oesteriechische feinschmeker then at least staff the kitchen appropriately.
     
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    Yep. Can't recall any bad experiences staying at a small family run pension. Get to chat with the owner at breakfast or after skiing. Often do the halbpension deal and save quite a bit in comparison to the big hotels at the same time.
     
  24. bugeater

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    Ooh that does look good.

    EDIT: now looks like starting in Milan. So Zermatt?
     
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    Going to Cortina d'Ampezzo on the 16th of Dec for 4 days, then Chamonix for 10 days from the 2nd of Jan. Have heard the snow can be a bit marginal in the Cortina area in mid Dec. Anyone had any experience there at this time?
     
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  26. Sbooker

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    Even if there is no snow it's likely you'll be sliding on machine made. The Dolomites are geared up for snowmaking in a big way.
     
  27. Crispy013

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    Bit of snow incoming tomorrow for the alps.

    Zermatt looks like getting a decent dump.
     
  28. Snowmaker7

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    GFS forecasting around 15cm for areas above about 1800 metres, with up to 50cm in the much higher areas around Zermatt and the south-western Switzerland region. Good to see at this time of year, although its not too uncommon
     
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    Zermatt Chamonix (2400m)
     
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    Snow in the forecasts for Monday and Wed in some parts of the Alps. Not much below 2500 altitude ( vairiable temp advection ) on Monday with Wed being warmer - EC totals till 10pm Sat 20th - .
     
  33. Jellybeans

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    My preliminary winter outlook for Winter 2018-19 is now out.

    https://longrangesnowcenter.blogspot.com/2018/10/october-preliminary-northern-hemisphere.html

    An abstract of my outlook. Full details in link above.

    "So in summary, my forecast is for a rapidly descending to positive QBO, weak-moderate basin-wide El Niño with perhaps some weird atmospheric feedback, neutral/slightly +PDO, strong -EPO, a -AO and -NAO and a much further south than usual Aleutian Low. Also some potential Scandi blocking, and blocking over the Barents-Kara Sea."

    Highs are red and lows are blue.

     
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    Looking at that, `i have a feeling that the Dolomites and Slovenia may do well.
     
  35. Sbooker

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    H meaning higher snowfall than average and L meaning lower snowfall than average?
     
  36. Jellybeans

    Jellybeans Walking on a dream Ski Pass: Gold

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    No rather 500mb highs and lows.
     
  37. Sbooker

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    I have no idea what that means but if Europe is average I’ll take it.
     
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    ^^^^^
    Thanks. I’ve got the highs and lows.
    Didn’t get the 500mb.
     
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    A broadscale change is on the way for Europe at the end of the week. Solid anom and big Arctic incursion.
    From UK, to Toubkal in the Atlas Mountains (Morocco), to the resorts of the Alps; snow is on the way next weekend.
    [​IMG]
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    Looking very much like the winter-door being left wide open for Conti Europe thereafter.
    Laaxer, Stokli (Peak):
     
  41. Snowmaker7

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    Yes looking very good indeed! GFS looking very cold with a lot of moisture on the latest run, with EC not quite as cold, but with ridiculous amount of snow for areas above 2500m, especially on north facing slopes.

    Zermatt (280cm) and Saas Fee (330cm) respectively:




     
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    The biggest prog, top right.



    At this point, I should probably say it's 6-10 days away. Will probably downgrade.
     
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    Crazy 10 day totals on EC
     
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    Still a fair way out but 00z GFS is upgraded. Snow to 100-200m in Northern UK. Proper polar blast if it comes off.
     
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    In Laws will start their usual winter whinge ;).
     
  46. Sbooker

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    As previously mentioned it is likely to downgrade as there's no way it could upgrade!
    We're not at the point yet that snowfall will remain for the season though. Still too early - particularly for elevations under 2500m.
     
  47. Kletterer

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    Anything over 50cm will be taken advantage of on the pistes with snowmaking crews in many resorts active by early November. Paging @Bato
     
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    EC has checked itself already.
    Still looks like a fantastic system for October and a great curtain raiser with some potential systems behind it.
     
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    Will be another 2009/ 2010. Watch for those Highs over Greenland.
     
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    Jellybeans Walking on a dream Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, it's simply great numbers, no complete downgrade over the day, and snow levels have fallen in this run too, given snow to a lot more of the lower mountains.

     
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