Excess baggage charges

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  1. gareth_oau

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    We recently purchased some one way tickets to Canada through AIrNZ with 2 x 25kg baggage allowance and they threw an offer in for an extra bag for $1, which looks brilliant.

    However on the way back we are flying Cathay through HK and that extra bag will cost us $540.

    Seems like absolute extortion but any suggestions on how to ship the bag back much cheaper?
     
  2. Born2ski

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    Question. If you already have 2x25kg baggage allowance why do you need another 25kg bag ? You'll need to hire a team of porters and a moving truck once you get there.
     
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    Wot he said!!!

    Jesus Gareth!

    I went to Niseko for 5 months. Took climbing gear(backpack, ropes, harness, snowshoes, crampons, ice axes, mountaineering boots), avvy airbag backpack with full kit, snowboard gear, clothing for a multitude of events including Aus Olympic supporters kit and give away pins/koalas etc, the largest supply of medications you can imagine and a few ‘can’t live without’ supply’s (my fave deodorant x 5, his fave deodorant x 5, toothpaste x 8 etc) and even a single bed comforter.

    THAT all fit in 3 bags each.

    You don’t need a 3rd bag each.
     
  4. Joe

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    LOL
     
  5. Heinz

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    Is that 2 x 25kg for 2 people? Surely not per person!?
     
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    Got a gear list spreadsheet with weights?

    That is a very impressive effort and my understandascope is saying it’s unposed, but obviously not.
     
  7. skifree

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    And we need a gear list from you for the purpose of crossing out every 2nd item and sending it back.
     
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  8. gareth_oau

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    Shopping LOL LOL LOL
     
  9. gareth_oau

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    So do you cross out one ski and one pole? Left boot or right boot?
     
  10. gareth_oau

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    and dont forget I have a full skiing kit and a full boarding kit

    (I dont have two helmets ;) )
     
  11. Born2ski

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    My whole family of four normally travel with less than 75kg of checked luggage. And that includes all our own ski gear. Travelling to Japan back in 2011 with Jetstar taught us to pack light.
     
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    Yep, gotta be ruthless.

    1st rule of travel, less clothes more $.
     
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    Didn’t do it with weights.
    We test packed gradually and weighed once done, but I did have an inventory of everything in the bags for insurance purposes.
    To be fair we had 3 bags max 30kg each - but none went close.

    What we took over and what we brought home differed a bit. PB didn’t take a snowboard over, but did bring one home. I took a snowboard and boots and helmet over, but brought a splitboard, two sets of bindings and two sets of boots home. He brought his full climbing gear home, I didn’t - only brought my harness.

    But yeah. It was a cracking packing effort. I didn’t think we would do it.
     
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    So 90kg each, nods, now I see as possible.
     
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    Hai.
    But point being Gareth doesn’t need 3x25kg per person for 4 weeks skiing and boarding! 2x25kg should be plenty even with skis and board.
     
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  16. tr+h

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    Time to give up the snow board.

    Carry-on boot bag.

    Wear layers on plane, carry your heaviest jacket on the plane.

    Get rid of some of your cocktail dresses.

    Viola!
     
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    Oddly . People pack a pair of pants .
    I wear mine on the plane.
     
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    I would rather give up my skis before the cocktail dresses!!
     
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    Don’t pack as many hair care products?
    ;)
     
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    The only hair care product I have is a razor blade, and I need that for my legs
     
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    "Lose" 1 bag by putting the contents of 3rd bag (and empty bag itself) in the other two:
    • Assuming your 2 x 25kg bags are oversize, tell check-in staff you will carry on the surplus weight items, then once o/size tag received (and you're told to go to o/size counter + out of sight of staff) stuff the excess things back in the 2 bags
    • Wear ski boots, jacket pants etc on plane
    • Jacket pockets are stuffed full of heavy items (but hopefully not contraband e.g. bottle whisky)
    • Carry on remainder
     
  22. gareth_oau

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    Except if you are in Hong Kong for quite a few transit hours you dont want to be wandering round like the michelin man
     
  23. Hermannator

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    The trade-off... $540 pain to wallet vs discomfort and inconvenience.

    Have to say I'm amused at the prospect of wearing ski pants onboard as suggested earlier

    Sounds like sea-freight is the answer...
    Needs takyubin...
     
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    Depends whether the limiting factor is weight or volume. I had to shuffle some gear out of my ski bag last year to fit a pair of skis I bought in Canada. That left my suitcase overfull.

    I posted home a carton full of light but bulky items from the PO in Whistler for something like $80. Surface mail, so it took a couple of months. It was a Canada Post box, about the size of an archive box, and weighed about 6kg.
     
  25. gareth_oau

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    Ahhh there’s no way I’m paying $540 (hence the thread) and I’m not wearing the stuff

    And besides, I’d look silly sitting on the plane wearing a pair of skis
     
  26. LMB

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    LMBs tips for reducing your bag weight without living like a backpacker.

    *dont bring home coins!
    (check pockets before packing, especially kids gear. You’ll be surprised how quickly this adds up.)

    *use a shell jacket and mid/base layers for your ski gear rather than have more than one jacket to cover a variety of temperatures. Bonus being the midlayers can be worn out at night.

    *pack ONE pair of trousers other than the ones you wear on the plane. Even being away for 5 months I could’ve easily managed on two pairs of jeans (and there were clothes I never wore once! What a waste).

    *for the girls: a little black skirt takes no room and popped over your black thermals makes a change from jeans.

    *down
    *down
    *did I say DOWN?
    It’s light, it’s warm, it packs up super small.

    Shoes: one pair of ankle height snow Apres boots with non slip soles should be enough to cover you from flight to flight and everything in between. If you need something light for inside pack a pair of thongs. I like to hit the gym if I’m away for a significant amount of time, or do a lot of walking in cities (like Santiago when we went to Chile) so a pair of sneakers (trainers/gym shoes/runners whatever you call them) are a not negotiable extra for me.

    Ski socks:
    No one needs more than 3 pair.
    Even washing them out in the sink they’ll get dry in a day.

    Toiletries:
    You can save space here by buying at your destination. Just take the “can’t live without items”. Or take a small toiletries bag with emergency supplies nicked from the last hotel you stayed at - they take up next to no room.

    Secret Women’s Business
    Ladies ditch the pile of paper products you may feel you need to carry and switch to a cup.

    Electronics:
    Do you really need a laptop, ipad, phone, camera, iPod, Fitbit, dress watch, chargers and more? No. Workout which items are essential FOR YOU and only take those. For me it’s the phone, iPod and Fitbit/watch.

    What about a hot country stop over?
    I never go to the snow without my 3/4 Lululemon wunder under tights or a black tank top - add the skirt, pair of thongs or even a smarter summer shoe option and you’re good to go.
    For the boys: you’ve already packed t-shirts, add a light pair of quick dry shorts. Done.

    Books:
    If you can’t do without the paper version then buy read and give away. Don’t carry 4 books there and back. If you read a whole book on the first flight then leave the book with a post it “take me” or something on it in the terminal on a table. Someone will grab it for a read.
     
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    You have to do it now (and post pic). Would be too funny!

    Use of toilet could get tricky...
     
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    agree with most of that. Shell jacket mixed with several mid layers, 2 lightweight trousers, 1 pr shoes, toiletries in small containers etc.
    I skip on the little black skirt though. Don't know how Gareth goes with that.
     
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    Look there is absolutely no way I’m going to abandon LMB’s little black skirt
     
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    Nice review and some good tips LMB!
    We pack 2 pairs of jeans and wear track pants on flights especially when doing over-nighters
    If staying in a communal lodge 1 pair of sneakers and apres boots done
    If staying in an apartment apres boots and comfy slippers ( heaven after a day in ski boots ;) )
    Bags for a family of 4 adults all skiers for up to a month
    6 x checkin's including 2 x ski bags ( carrying 4 sets of skis/poles )
    4 x carry-on bags carrying ski boots.
    * If travelling elsewhere and not all about skiing we drop 2 x ski bags and hire but always take our boots.
     
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    You know of course we now expect to see pics of you in the LBS on the plane, in customs, in immigration & on the transfer transport.
     
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    I’ve got a spare.
    I’ll drop it off @gareth_oau
    LOL
     
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    With skis on LOL
     
  34. tr+h

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    Use the bag drop service or a locker. We left suitcases and ski bags at the airport and just took carry-on to hotel when we did the 32 hour layover in HK
     
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    At least you'd get on with skis, Snowboard, not a chance :D
     
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    To be clear, when you say that, you will be wearing it at the time?
     
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    Spare Gareth
    Spare
     
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    Well I assume you wear the spare from time to time, when the other one is in the wash, or you are not taking it off for me
     
  39. oldgeezer

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    I'm glad to have checked my booking on the Qantas site and something drew my eye to wording about baggage appearing just under where I'd nominated a ski bag. We're flying PE in JAL to Japan mid February and the return flight gets into Tullamarine about 11PM, then a Qantas flight to Canberra in the morning in Economy. Going PE the allowance is two bags but the fly in the ointment is that even on the one ticket, which applies in this case, international baggage allowances only apply to domestic flights on same day connections. So it will be a ski bag stuffed with clothes and a carry on with boots and more clothes plus a back pack (as a personal effects bag) with more. That's worked nicely on longer trips to Japan, and Nth America too, and hoping on and off trains means one bag in hand is plenty.
     
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    What aircraft are you on domestic to CBR?
    I think the Q400s are even more restrictive re baggage .
     
  41. Legs Akimbo

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    Can you check everything through to Canberra in Japan and take a change of clothes and toiletries in your carry on?
     
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    You can’t check bags through from International to Domestic. Always have to collect bags in Tulla after clearing immigration, then recheck them domestically, even if it’s a quick turn around and you are running to make the connection.

    I am pretty sure though that as long as the flight is within 24hrs of the international arrival it’s considered a continuation of the international flight and they allow flexibility and will give you the PE allowance as there is no PE on Domestic.
     
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    You can check stuff through. You have to collect it for customs, but there is usually a bag drop on the other side where you leave your luggage. I have done it in Brisbane. I don't know about Melbourne.
     
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    Bag drop/re-check - all the same really. The only difference being you can’t check your bags in if the flight is too long away from departure I think.

    My point was more that Qantas should extend a continuation of the PE international baggage allowance even though it’s not expressly stated on the tix/website.
     
  45. tr+h

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    Why?

    They make their own rules.
     
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    Hopefully his flight isn't on a dash 8
    One checked bag. To 23kgs.
     
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    Nippon Express international.
    About $200. Or it might have been 20,000 yen for a pair of skis.
     
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    Not really. If you check through you definitely keep the international allowance all the way. If you re-check you may be stuck with the domestic allowance for the last leg, which was @oldgeezer's problem.
     
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    That's the catch and the connection has to be in the same calendar day of arrival. Coming through MEL to CBR offers the advantage of B737 flights over Dash8s from Sydney however it isn't the size of aircraft but the midnight cutoff which applies in the wording..

    Having an arrival just after 11PM into Tullamarine the next flight is next calendar day so strictly speaking that's it. Perhaps the wording might allow a pre-midnight check-in for a next day departure. However the flight gets into MEL about 11:05 and then bags have to be unloaded, collected and cleared border processing plus getting along to a Domestic check-in counter in under an hour making it touch and go, and most likely Domestic check-in would be closed by near midnight anyway.

    Another uncertainty is that the wording is framed in terms of Qantas flights, leaving the issue of what about arriving on a JAL/oneworld flight, albeit booked on one ticket. Chances are that would be allowed but sometimes when they resolve baggage ambiguities airlines in a strict interpretation.

    I hadn't counted on that Cinderella midnight clock effect transforming us from a premium class into 'down the back' pleb when I thought I'd worked out pretty well!

    But with trains and taxis constituting domestic travel taking just a ski bag packed with ski gear and clothes as checked baggage with a carry on bag with boots and other clothes plus a backpack with electronics and a bit more clothing it will work out better on the ground anyway.
     
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    Geez , they are into you Gareth.
    I had a not too dissimilar tale with Air NZ a couple years ago out of Kamloops.
    I only had 1 23kg allowance and paid for a 2nd 24 kg.
    I was assured that was right through to Townsville.
    I had 3 dsys in Auckland on the way back and upon presenting myself at Auckland airport for my inward flights Air NZ wanted another $375 got the extra bag.
    I explained that I had paid through to Townsville at Kamloops . They said they don't get any of that money so I would have to pay again.
    In the end they won however I did get the charge down to $200 odd dollars.
    I felt screwed but what do you do
     
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