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Expedition to Mt Kunama Namadgi.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by bawbawbel, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    I am in training and hope to summit this year.
    My team will investigate it's geography, which is rumoured to be mainly flat.
     
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  2. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Nice view from the top and beware the cornices
     
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    On my list this year, also. I am presuming it will be worth a visit in October? My best chance.
     
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    Budgiesmuggler A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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  6. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Grand final weekend is a good time
     
  7. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    Further research reveals the mountain name means "faeces".
    We will watch for that as evidence of a local Yeti, apparently known as "Billy Goat" by the present mountain denizens :)
     
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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Aboriginal name is Kunama Namadji (Pron: Koo-nar-ma Nam-a-ji),
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    This all seems a little strange as I understand the aboriginal name for Kosciuszko is Targangil, pronounced Tar- gan - gil .

    I understand Kunama Namadgi to be the range not the mountain.
     
  10. VSG

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    Depends who has the microphone and media's attention at the time, it seems. I knew of the flat bump on the Main Range as Targangil as well.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    So true
     
  12. bawbawbel

    bawbawbel Easi Ski..... Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you get lost, try the ten spellings of Tar-Gungal as well.
    But the original signposts will still be there, the aboriginals are not naturally tweet mobs.
     
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    After 183 (?) years I think Kosciusko has become the only valid name for the place. It may have originally been a Polish name, but it has been completely absorbed into Australian English as shown by the fact we pronounce it in an Anglicised way and don't try and copy the Polish pronunciation.

    Regarding the Aboriginal name, if there are several alternatives from different local tribes and/or language groups, it would be wrong to favour one over the others. It's a bit like Mt Everest, it has totally different names amongst local people that speak dialects of Tibetan and dialects of Hindi/Nepali. It would be a bit arrogant for people like us who don't speak either language to choose the name used by one group, so instead we use Everest which is neutral and doesn't favour one over the other.

    Finally, do we have a solid and reliable record of the original aboriginal languages in the area around Kosi? When I was writing my history of Mt Donna Buang, I spent a lot of time trying to find out the origin of its name. Basically it was called Mt Acland in 1865 and renamed in the 1880s when Aboriginal names were popular. But it turns out that the bloke who claimed the aboriginal name was Donna Buang probably made it up, as the syllables are derived from Malay not the local form of Wurrunjeri aboriginal which does not have things like the 'D' sound in it.*

    So there's three reasons to not play around with the traditional and established name of the mountain.

    * More detail on the derivation of Mt Donna Buangs name in my history. Go to Chapter 7 and scroll down to "Mt Donna Buang name".
     
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    Saw claims that the Namadgi had called it XXXX for 4000 years. Made me wonder what it was called before that and why do we select the 4000 year name if there was one back 20,000years ago when it was a different aboriginal nation. If you think about it too long its head explosion stuff.
     
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    Another tribe claims it means poo, or something like that, I recall reading.
    To me it seems a bit patronising renaming so many features. For a tiny tribe of what, say 40 people at most (total tab in the dark here)? vs 15 million others who call it something else? A name is only a name. Surely it's the mountain itself that means something to the aboriginal tribes of that area rather than the name that white people refer to it as?
     
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    While we’re there can we change the northern express back to horse hill chair?
     
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    Naming rights brought by a brand of beer 4000 years ago. That's impressive marketing foresight.
     
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    Stuff I have read says that the high country was an area of meeting for several tribes who had a fine time stuffing themselves with bogong moths. If that is so it is likely that Kossie had several names in several languages.
     
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