Opinion Falls Creek - Bouquets and Brickbats

currawong

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It gives my kids the $#!+$ when a chair gets wasted. They're always up for a spot on a vacant chair - dash up the singles line.

Don't punters realise that you can regroup at the top of a run?
not the only reason for leaving empty spots

I will not get on a chair with someone who is obviously struggling to stay upright in the queue. I'm not risking a serious injury just to appease people who can't wait another minute or so. If someone else wants to risk it, they're welcome to that spot
 

Ziggy

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I've been enjoying making the acquaintance of lesson littlies when asked to escort them on a chair.
 
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I will not get on a chair with someone who is obviously struggling to stay upright in the queue. I'm not risking a serious injury just to appease people who can't wait another minute or so. If someone else wants to risk it, they're welcome to that spot

They do use their judgement - won't sit near a smoker.
 

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Bouquet to the windy corner cross country ski hire for the come and try. They were flat out all afternoon with the lifts on wind hold. They ended up charging us a token amount to hire for an hour. Was a great way to spend a bit of the afternoon. Having had a chance to try we may well go back for a longer hire next time.

Brickbat to the ticket office that was unable to clarify whether our 6 day lift pass purchased 14 days in advance included two rest days. The website is ambiguous when comparing the wording of the 14 day in advance ("6 day") versus the on-the-day ("6 of 8") tickets. Unfortunately I had to ask to speak to the manager to get a straight answer to what is a pretty simple question. The staff member at the window despite admitting she didn't know the answer just kept wanting to get us to fill out a credit form (in our circumstance a slowly processed credit application isn't helpful - knowing if our lift pass will work on Friday is).
 

soza

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Hope everyone is enjoying this season at Falls, hear it's a good un.

Can I take back all my previous brickbats?

After spending lots of time at mt Hutt this season I could tell you a thing or two about poor lift management, shitty food, windhold, dodgy road clearing, maaaaasive queues, windhold, exagerated updated, windhold, closed terrain and smelly toilets.

Good job it's not the only ski field in NZ
 

Ziggy

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Hope everyone is enjoying this season at Falls, hear it's a good un.

Can I take back all my previous brickbats?

After spending lots of time at mt Hutt this season I could tell you a thing or two about poor lift management, shitty food, windhold, dodgy road clearing, maaaaasive queues, windhold, exagerated updated, windhold, closed terrain and smelly toilets.

Good job it's not the only ski field in NZ

Have heard it called Mt Shut.
 
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Ziggy

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I'm assuming it's going to be chockers Chaeron.

BOM Meteye is talking frost.

Bit of a dilemma.

On my own I'd decide when up there. If BOM was right I'd do piste until BC softened.

Well, there'll be a good deal of XC trail groomed in the morning so that will be more negotiable than wild snow first up and a bit of mellow touring could be followed by a venture onto some slopes when or if the snow gets softer.
 

Chaeron

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I'm assuming it's going to be chockers Chaeron.

BOM Meteye is talking frost.

Bit of a dilemma.

On my own I'd decide when up there. If BOM was right I'd do piste until BC softened.

Well, there'll be a good deal of XC trail groomed in the morning so that will be more negotiable than wild snow first up and a bit of mellow touring could be followed by a venture onto some slopes when or if the snow gets softer.
Thx @Ziggy, Good game plan - reckon I'll take the lift up Summit, head into Slack Country towards McKay & then cut back to Ruined Castle once it softens up. So it will be the Blizzard all mountains with skins rather than the Madshus Annums - they do better across the BC and the piste than the Madshus.
 

Hully

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Brickbats to RMB for advising AWD fit chains then have their Renault AWDs driving around with no chains. They did the same 2 weeks back when they made all 4WDs fit chains and continued to drive their own around without chains....ironically the next morning when I was driving up it was one of their super 4WDs that didn't need to fit chains being pulled back onto the road after sliding into the bank as us mere mortals forced to fit chains the day before drove past.
Surely setting the example would be better practice than thinking you're 'better than the punters'.
 
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currawong

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Thx @Ziggy, Good game plan - reckon I'll take the lift up Summit, head into Slack Country towards McKay & then cut back to Ruined Castle once it softens up. So it will be the Blizzard all mountains with skins rather than the Madshus Annums - they do better across the BC and the piste than the Madshus.
So less crowds at Falls tomorrow than last weekend I presume... @Ziggy Question - for tomorrow- do I go BC or on piste ?
Some xc skiers love off-piste touring on skate skis on a frozen surface. -7 forecast for overnight MIGHT create those conditions if there is some moisture in the snowpack
 
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Hully

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Some xc skiers love off-piste touring on skate skis on a frozen surface. -7 forecast for overnight MIGHT create those conditions if there is some moisture in the snowpack
With how dry the snow was this arvo I would expect no freeze....IMO the super low temps and humidity already dropping will just dry it out more. I'm hitting first lifts with dry fresh expectations.
 
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Brickbats to RMB for advising AWD fit chains then have their Renault AWDs driving around with no chains.'.
Maybe this is a indication of what's to come in future winters at FC.......when conditions are appropriate, AWDs with winter tyres (3PMSF symbol) no snow chains fitted, all other AWDs with summer, All Terrain tyres or Off Road tyres, like 2WDs, fit chains.
Check out the increasing number of AWDs at Falls now using 3PMSF winter tyres..RMB Renaults, RMB snow clearing, FC Village VW & Toyota shuttle buses, Vic Ambulance/medical centre etc.
 

currawong

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Maybe this is a indication of what's to come in future winters at FC.......when conditions are appropriate, AWDs with winter tyres (3PMSF symbol) no snow chains fitted, all other AWDs with summer, All Terrain tyres or Off Road tyres, like 2WDs, fit chains.
Check out the increasing number of AWDs at Falls now using 3PMSF winter tyres..RMB Renaults, RMB snow clearing, FC Village VW & Toyota shuttle buses, Vic Ambulance/medical centre etc.
....ironically the next morning when I was driving up it was one of their super 4WDs that didn't need to fit chains being pulled back onto the road after sliding into the bank as us mere mortals forced to fit chains the day before drove past.
So it was a vehicle with snow tyres that was off the road because they were overconfident with their magic snow tyres?
 

Ziggy

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If you join a 4WD club you will likely have to have done an approved course of training as it's recognised that skill is needed to pilot one of these things. ABS, traction and stability control, 4" lifts and all the rest aren't enough.

Yesterday morning there was some treacherous patches. Chains would have got some grip. Tyres? No way. It was as slippery as I've ever seen it and I had to recover from slides twice.
 
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Hully

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Maybe this is a indication of what's to come in future winters at FC.......when conditions are appropriate, AWDs with winter tyres (3PMSF symbol) no snow chains fitted, all other AWDs with summer, All Terrain tyres or Off Road tyres, like 2WDs, fit chains.
Check out the increasing number of AWDs at Falls now using 3PMSF winter tyres..RMB Renaults, RMB snow clearing, FC Village VW & Toyota shuttle buses, Vic Ambulance/medical centre etc.
Your arrogance matches theirs.... I'm assuming you have listed those that have purchased Nokian tyres off you. They struggle to regulate current chains requirements... do they have to present a Roof Carrier Systems receipt for exemption?
 
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Hully

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Check out the increasing number of AWDs at Falls now using 3PMSF winter tyres..RMB Renaults, RMB snow clearing, FC Village VW & Toyota shuttle buses, Vic Ambulance/medical centre etc.
Yeah, all (except ambo) purchased by peoples gate entry fees by an organisation going backwards at over $3/4 million per year. Buller RMB CEO lost his job because he couldn't afford Nokian tyres and had to rort the system to buy them.:):):thumbs:
People slide off dry roads in the flatland, some level of sliding on snow roads needs to be accepted. You can't regulate out stupidity/lack of ability.
 
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No vested interest there of course :whistle::D

Well, that said you'd think there was room for common sense about these things. Australians always seem to over-react, over regulate and over-do responses to so many things.....especially where you can play the "safety" card. In this instance chains when and where appropriate and snow tyres when and where appropriate. But given the length of the season I doubt that purchase of snow tyres etc is really warranted.
 
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Charlie

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So they put up a sign at the entrance to the resort saying
"Chains must be fitted here, unless you have a 4WD or another vehicle fitted with snow tyres, or you are an experienced driver, and you just think it will be OK to drive in highway slicks"
Footnote
Carnage on Baw Baw road last night
Despite signs saying "Chains to be fitted to all vehicles"
4WD vehicle without chains driving down hill went off road, holding up everyone wanting to go up hill!
 
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Maybe this is a indication of what's to come in future winters at FC.......when conditions are appropriate, AWDs with winter tyres (3PMSF symbol) no snow chains fitted, all other AWDs with summer, All Terrain tyres or Off Road tyres, like 2WDs, fit chains....
Couple of points.....
What about the tyres I have called 'All Terrain' with the mountain/snowflake winter tyre designation, will they be allowed?
Having both a 4WD (fulltime so maybe be AWD under your nanny state regs) with winter designated tyres and a super popular AWD with quality all season tyres, the lower and lighter AWD maintains traction and control far easier and better than my lumbering 4WD.
There are far more serious accidents and deaths on the BHP Road in summer than winter....I don't understand the need for increased regulation and deterrence for winter visitors. Show me the stats to justify.... and not tyre tests etc.
 

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Brickbat.....again

Whomever looks after the Queue area... need to move singles line at express....Halleys to the opposite side, folks come up the stairs..plop on skis/board and just line up....no....back of the line starts at last hoot.

Green jackets here are dismal, full Queue and 3 are standing at the laptop/tablet...one yelling "your pass needs to be in a spot not near a credit card" while the other is ....who knows what...talking about last nights dinner? one at the gate "get into 4s please". hopeless
When the Queue is going up towards the bus stop, and singles and 3s are going up the chair, it's time to stop mucking about, shift into work mode and clear the line, 4 should be made at the rfid....then another green jacket 3m ahead then another at the corner...then at the gate...easy
look up the chair line....a simple visual will show why the queue is growing.....empty chairs, singles, 3s on a 4 chair is unacceptable.

To the guest service bloke who thinks a cattle prod is required....you need to hand back your green jacket to management and retire, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I've travelled OS and worked as a lifty and falls creek is by far the worst at clearing a lift line.
 

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Ziggy

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Friday there were a pair of greenies doing it right. One helping folk to clear the scanners and another half way to the swing gates forming people into fours.
 

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One of the things FCRM could see to is the sealing of all the chain bays and maybe some lighting as well, as per the GAR up from Harrietville.
Make it easy for people to do the trying parts of getting up and down.
 
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currawong

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Brickbat to the falls creek museum. Their ad in the what's on flyer says open daily. The sign on the locked door says closed monday.
 

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One of the things FCRM could see to is the sealing of all the chain bays and maybe some lighting as well, as per the GAR up from Harrietville.
Make it easy for people to do the trying parts of getting up and down.
Problem - it's probably Vicroads/ DPSE budget as it's out of resort bounds in the NP area. But why wouldn't you - state government would quickly save in labour costs (emergency services) what they'd shell out in capital works...
 

Chaeron

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Brickbat to the falls creek museum. Their ad in the what's on flyer says open daily. The sign on the locked door says closed monday.
Well it is the FC museum - delivery not living up to the marketing promise is core to the recent history of Falls isn't it.. :p
 

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The two bays that fit exactly that description, above entry gate at Howman's and just before Orbit corner, have been turned into overnight car parking.
My experience has been that when chain fitting is indicated it is typically well before those points.
 
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Brickbat.....again

Whomever looks after the Queue area... need to move singles line at express....Halleys to the opposite side, folks come up the stairs..plop on skis/board and just line up....no....back of the line starts at last hoot.

Green jackets here are dismal, full Queue and 3 are standing at the laptop/tablet...one yelling "your pass needs to be in a spot not near a credit card" while the other is ....who knows what...talking about last nights dinner? one at the gate "get into 4s please". hopeless
When the Queue is going up towards the bus stop, and singles and 3s are going up the chair, it's time to stop mucking about, shift into work mode and clear the line, 4 should be made at the rfid....then another green jacket 3m ahead then another at the corner...then at the gate...easy
look up the chair line....a simple visual will show why the queue is growing.....empty chairs, singles, 3s on a 4 chair is unacceptable.

To the guest service bloke who thinks a cattle prod is required....you need to hand back your green jacket to management and retire, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I've travelled OS and worked as a lifty and falls creek is by far the worst at clearing a lift line.
Working dogs would be a better method....cattleprods could be overkill...couple of heelers would keep quad chair in full capacity..that way liftys can have a more relaxed day....

Those that are proceeding too slowly"sic em boy" would produce the desired result...

Working them in the snow is not a problem but operators need to give them a few dry biscuits soaked in rum and coke every hour or so to achieve maximum work output...
 
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Maybe this is a indication of what's to come in future winters at FC.......when conditions are appropriate, AWDs with winter tyres (3PMSF symbol) no snow chains fitted, all other AWDs with summer, All Terrain tyres or Off Road tyres, like 2WDs, fit chains.
Check out the increasing number of AWDs at Falls now using 3PMSF winter tyres..RMB Renaults, RMB snow clearing, FC Village VW & Toyota shuttle buses, Vic Ambulance/medical centre etc.

sorry completely disagree with you on this one snowtyres.

It is not the tyres that make the difference, it is not the vehicle that makes the difference - It is 100% the person holding onto the steering wheel. How on earth did anyone drive up to our resorts 20, 30, 40 and even 50 years in a HR Holden with 3 speed crash box, cheese cutter crossply tyres and (god forbid) ladder chains. Common sense appears to be the thing missing now and the fact that people get these new AWD/4WD with winter/all-terrain/or what ever tyres on and think they are bullet proof. It doesnt matter what magic tyres you have on the car - poor driving technique will turn a $100k euro AWD into a tobaggan just as quickly as a 2WD with diamond pattern chains. It is 100% about the driver and driving to the conditions - FFS we get less snow now than years gone yet are legislated down to the lowest common factor - driver error.

Like i said, its common sense, so maybe we dont put snowflakes on the side of tyres, maybe we are issued with a "common sense" sticker for the car. I reckon we should sit common sense tests before driving up in the snow, like fixing a combine harvester with only a roll of fencing wire, 2 rolls of duct tape and a large jar of vegemite!!!
 

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I have to 100% agree w Flatlander .It is all about the driver .Lets face it ,there are lots of dickheads.
I live on a farm and drive thru slippery stuff all the time winter spring and have no problems driving up in my Forester w truck type tyres.
Bit tired of hearing Mr snowtyres.
 
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Ziggy

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Gotta hand it to you Hully.
Take a suggestion for improvement and turn it into an opportunity to bag.
Great hijack :clap:
 

Ziggy

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don't know about this season but in general the most common point for chain fitting is howmans
I've been up for 5 weeks and have come up after every dump - either the day after or once it was 2 days after.
On August 4 chain fitting was required at Howman's.
 

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Gotta hand it to you Hully.
Take a suggestion for improvement and turn it into an opportunity to bag.
Great hijack :clap:
No....I agreed they should seal the other bays. Just pointing out that there are 2 bays that are exactly as you describe that are no longer used.
I can't win on here, I'm either shit canned by @BillyKidd as an apologist or you as a bagger. Obviously my experiences/observations aren't valid. Note to self.... don't comment on Ziggy's posts. I'll delete my posts relating to the chain bays to avoid "hijacking" your thread. :rolleyes:
 
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