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Mister Tee on XC Skis

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Those pictures are enuf to make me cry too.... At least we still have the NSW slopes (not that I'm heading down that way either).

@Mister Tee on XC Skis - Do you need to hoof it on XC skis to get to that lodge in Winter
Which lodge?
The Rover Chalet as in the views it looks out over via this snow cam.
https://bogongwebcam.gunther.com.au/
is about 2-3 hours by XC skiing from Falls Creek. It is out on the aqueduct on the Bogong High Plains in the Alpine N.P..
The Cedarwood chalet which has the Falls Creek table o meter is situated within the Falls Creek ski resort .
All snow locations should have a table o meter. Nothing less will do !
rover lodge snow cam. 1318  21.8.20.jpg
 
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Scott No Mates

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The Rover Chalet as in the views it looks out over via this snow cam.
https://bogongwebcam.gunther.com.au/
is about 2-3 hours by XC skiing from Falls Creek. It is out on the aqueduct on the Bogong High Plains in the Alpine N.P..


That's the one. I looked at the maps and saw it was well beyond the dam wall. I didn't realise that there was a lodge out there welln past the resort boundaries.
 

Mister Tee on XC Skis

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That's the one. I looked at the maps and saw it was well beyond the dam wall. I didn't realise that there was a lodge out there welln past the resort boundaries.
The Scouts and the Rovers have operated that building for decades. One of the forum members @slotele who sold me a Malibu surf board is closely involved with what goes on out there with BC XC skiing and BC telemark skiing.
When the state government and Parks Victoria wanted to include the use of this building into one of their poorly devised user pays green season glamping projects a.k.a FHAC redevelopment the rightful users of the said building understandably took umbrage to the commandeering of their chalet.
There is a very small public shelter that remains unlocked at the bottom of that building. It has cramped room for two cold and very sorely tested ski tourers or wet and hypothermic bushwalkers to huddle together, repair from the elements and start a tiny fire in a small wood burner.
Even the equivalent public shelter section at Johnston's hut , also on the Bogong High Plains is more salubrious and less cramped.
Overall the Rover chalet is within the tree line and it is relatively protected, so it is not as exposed to the screaming blizzard winds , boiler plate slopes , totally disorientating white outs etc. as those who find themselves facing the full force of bad weather in the Mount Nelse vicinity.
 
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Bogong

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That's the one. I looked at the maps and saw it was well beyond the dam wall. I didn't realise that there was a lodge out there welln past the resort boundaries.
It's pretty big and the Rover Scouts occasionally rent it out to other groups. But don't bother if dormitory style accommodation isn't to your taste.

bogongroverchalet.JPG


bogongtowhut.jpg

The top of their ski tow.
 

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I'd say FOMO is less of a "millennial's issue" and more of an issue that has been named *by* millennials - you can't tell me that there aren't boomers sitting at home wishing that they could give that grey nomad thing a go.
i think FOMO has a different dimension to just not wanting to miss something you like. I'm not saying that it is only a thing for millenials, but it is a phenomenon that has IMHO come up in the last 30 years. It involves wanting to do/buy something or go somewhere not so much because you know you want to but because you don't want to be seen to have missed out or just in case it turns out to be good.
 

Mister Tee on XC Skis

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i think FOMO has a different dimension to just not wanting to miss something you like. I'm not saying that it is only a thing for millenials, but it is a phenomenon that has IMHO come up in the last 30 years. It involves wanting to do/buy something or go somewhere not so much because you know you want to but because you don't want to be seen to have missed out or just in case it turns out to be good.
FOMO as opposed to justified feelings of deprivation are possibly two different things.
 
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currawong

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Why are there groomed areas on the runs today?
eg: Drovers, Towers, Ruined
That is just rubbing it in.
i would have said access for mechanics etc but drovers is a bit more extensive than that. maybe, just maybe, make a feature or 2 for locals to hike?
 
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Does anyone know when the 2021 season passes will be on sale? (I saw Buller's price rise which triggered the query - I think last year the Epic Australia pass for 2020 went up about mid August).
 

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While Vail was absolutely useless in terms of providing clear and timely communication and response to emails, I did get a full refund for my season pass in the end.

It will be interesting to see what is on offer for a season pass for next year.
 

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I have a feeling Vail Co will only run the lifts in a normal season......... @Chaeron .......
Vail might even be gone from Falls by then - not that there’s anything concrete in that line atm.

I reckon Vail will have little choice but to open up Falls and Hotham next season, irrespective of conditions or restrictions even if they were inclined not to - they’ve been hammered by many parties, and they run the risk of falling foul of state government wrt. their lease conditions and either forfeiting ownership or at the very least being sued to hell and back.

Being closed 2 seasons in a row would kill them in the local market.

A skeleton staff on a small footprint run on an oily rag, with temporary boosting of capacity around peak season is a minimum expectation.

Late open and early close with a shortened shoulder season is what we’d expect as a risk and cost reduction strategy - but if that’s the game they might as well walk away.

I’d be leery to be a casual on the mountain in 2021, but with unemployment what it is...

Vail’s every move will be logged, recorded, scrutinised, and if called into question, also litigated. There is also significant local animus against Vail in government and local industry, never mind its Victorian consumer base.

Vail’s decision-making on its Victorian operations depends to a large degree on how their Northern hemisphere operations go - they’re so levered up that they might be forced to divest themselves of assets if they run out of cash. Who knows what happens to Vail’s 2020/2021 NH revenue under travel restrictions, and reduced numbers at resorts.

They can’t really borrow more, and an equity raising would be challenging under current circumstances.

For Vail the integration of Falls and Hotham has proven to be less easily achieved than hoped.

Perisher is doing well for them, but Falls and Hotham have their unique complexities - more moving pieces and diverse stakeholders to work with. Perisher is a large volume, low cost operation by comparison.

I personally would not be surprised if they ended up walking away - any local syndicate making a viable offer would have a good chance of clinching a deal, but no-one would be willing, especially now, to pay what Vail did.

Vail will in any case have to write down the value of Falls and Hotham on their books - there’s no way in the next three years that they’ve going to see the revenue stream they were expecting, especially also because the strained Sino-Australian relationship is going to lower the cap on Chinese visitation to Australian resorts in the run up to the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics....

Vail will also be less able to book prepaid revenue from early season pass sales - the take-up will be less, and whereas in previous years they may even have booked the full pass revenue before it was paid up fully, in current circumstances they would explicitly have to record the allowances for potential refunds on their books as well.

I personally will forgo any discounts on Early Bird offers on the Epic pass, and keep my options open - I’m equally likely to ski Thredbo, Buller and NZ next year as buy an Epic Pass.

I have however rolled over my resort entry into next year - predominantly for back country access.
 

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Somewhat off topic, so apologies, but thoughts triggered by the post above: is it even likely that the Winter Olympics will take place in 2022? Will the world's elite snow sports athletes want to go to China in 18 months? I know they went to Russia, but the situation will be very different. (If mods think this is not the place for such conjecture, I understand).
 

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Would have been a few days into enjoying this.....
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Nothing coming for September either

If there was a year to miss, it was this one, that's for sure

Worst season on record IMO
I would not disagree but resorts make snow so runs can be better if there are good snow making conditions. This would be an ala-natural year. The backcountry certainly fared worse this year. Perhaps a quick melt but I am told BHP road may not open early. A part of the road near Trapyard needs significant repair after a slip and it would have to be closed to do it. Ideal time right now as it is barren of snow at the site but getting the contractors on the job is the problem.
 
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