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Discussion in 'Falls Creek' started by currawong, Dec 9, 2014.

  1. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Which lodge?
    The Rover Chalet as in the views it looks out over via this snow cam.
    https://bogongwebcam.gunther.com.au/
    is about 2-3 hours by XC skiing from Falls Creek. It is out on the aqueduct on the Bogong High Plains in the Alpine N.P..
    The Cedarwood chalet which has the Falls Creek table o meter is situated within the Falls Creek ski resort .
    All snow locations should have a table o meter. Nothing less will do !
     
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  2. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates One of Us

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    That's the one. I looked at the maps and saw it was well beyond the dam wall. I didn't realise that there was a lodge out there welln past the resort boundaries.
     
  3. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    The Scouts and the Rovers have operated that building for decades. One of the forum members @slotele who sold me a Malibu surf board is closely involved with what goes on out there with BC XC skiing and BC telemark skiing.
    When the state government and Parks Victoria wanted to include the use of this building into one of their poorly devised user pays green season glamping projects a.k.a FHAC redevelopment the rightful users of the said building understandably took umbrage to the commandeering of their chalet.
    There is a very small public shelter that remains unlocked at the bottom of that building. It has cramped room for two cold and very sorely tested ski tourers or wet and hypothermic bushwalkers to huddle together, repair from the elements and start a tiny fire in a small wood burner.
    Even the equivalent public shelter section at Johnston's hut , also on the Bogong High Plains is more salubrious and less cramped.
    Overall the Rover chalet is within the tree line and it is relatively protected, so it is not as exposed to the screaming blizzard winds , boiler plate slopes , totally disorientating white outs etc. as those who find themselves facing the full force of bad weather in the Mount Nelse vicinity.
     
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  4. Bogong

    Bogong Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    It's pretty big and the Rover Scouts occasionally rent it out to other groups. But don't bother if dormitory style accommodation isn't to your taste.

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    The top of their ski tow.
     
  5. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    i think FOMO has a different dimension to just not wanting to miss something you like. I'm not saying that it is only a thing for millenials, but it is a phenomenon that has IMHO come up in the last 30 years. It involves wanting to do/buy something or go somewhere not so much because you know you want to but because you don't want to be seen to have missed out or just in case it turns out to be good.
     
  6. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Let’s not get serious on the term FOMO.....LOL
    Keep it lite
    It’s more fun that way ;)
     
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  7. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    beats thinking about not being able to ski
     
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  8. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    FOMO as opposed to justified feelings of deprivation are possibly two different things.
     
  9. Charles

    Charles Addicted Ski Pass: Gold

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    In Adelaide looking at today's webcams.. Can someone please take my Internet away?
    As in The Matrix, ignorance is bliss.
     
  10. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Some more for T to froth over...
     
  11. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Oh fortune, oh foe !
     
  12. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    I predict the table o meter will become totally buried by Monday.
     
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  13. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    At least I can rest easy as there was no base...
     
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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    oh beat me by a second
     
  15. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    So if we had no pandemic and no lockdown then you would not bother skiing on this snow because the snow has no base? I find that very hard to believe chief.
     
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    emkae One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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  17. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    No need for a base when once 60 has fallen!
    McKay Laps all day!
     
  18. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    As i said.........

    No base..........
     
  19. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    trying to make myself feel better
     
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  20. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    today would have been hoppet day, busiest day of the season for the resort. instead it's a ghost town
     
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    Cam Slee One of Us

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    Didn't seem to stop these people on Summit.


     
  22. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    nezumi One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Oh to be skinning up the resort to get to Pretty Valley today. My Mountain Collective SlaySafe trip will have to wait until next year sadly. T.T
     
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    Slide Sideways One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    those darn snowboarders @Sadie
     
  25. Mister Tee on XC Skis

    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    It is still snowing up there !!
    23.8.20
     
  26. Scott No Mates Ver 1.1

    Scott No Mates Ver 1.1 Addicted

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    Another good dump and there'll be a decent cornice at the top of St Elmo's

     
  27. Cam Slee

    Cam Slee One of Us

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    Definitely skiable.
    I'd go down Summit too.
     
  28. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Would have been up there in about a week. Season pretty much saved in Late August..

    Anything that falls now is gold
     
  30. Drt

    Drt Hard Yards

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    Why are there groomed areas on the runs today?
    eg: Drovers, Towers, Ruined
    That is just rubbing it in.
     
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    Squid Hard Yards

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    It could just be to give the groomers a bit of a run around, so they aren't just sitting around for a full year.
     
  32. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    i would have said access for mechanics etc but drovers is a bit more extensive than that. maybe, just maybe, make a feature or 2 for locals to hike?
     
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    Looks like a couple of lucky souls up on St Elmos...:cry:
     
  34. Rick Ross Da Boss

    Rick Ross Da Boss One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Training?;)
     
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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Elk open for 2021 Winter bookings

    Also they are building an outdoor magnesium spa pavilion


    Nice
     
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  38. Tom from Melbourne

    Tom from Melbourne One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Does anyone know when the 2021 season passes will be on sale? (I saw Buller's price rise which triggered the query - I think last year the Epic Australia pass for 2020 went up about mid August).
     
  39. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    they seem busy trying to push their US pass at the moment. I think the early bird for that has been extended till much later than usual. just guessing that they might wait till that early bird is finished.
     
  40. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    I do wonder if we will cop a price hike like Buller. Not sure I'll even drop the deposit down early as the limited time offer never really seems to be limited...

    Plus with Rona not sure we will even get a normal season in.
     
  41. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don't need a normal season. Just having snow and running the lifts without excessive crowds will be enough for me.

    Normally it's automatic for me tho buy the early bird. This time i will want to see what they are offering including Ts and Cs
     
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    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    I have a feeling Vail Co will only run the lifts in a normal season......... @Chaeron .......
     
  43. emkae

    emkae One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    While Vail was absolutely useless in terms of providing clear and timely communication and response to emails, I did get a full refund for my season pass in the end.

    It will be interesting to see what is on offer for a season pass for next year.
     
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  44. Chaeron

    Chaeron Ski-Hike-Blade-Bike-Kayak Ski Pass: Gold

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    Vail might even be gone from Falls by then - not that there’s anything concrete in that line atm.

    I reckon Vail will have little choice but to open up Falls and Hotham next season, irrespective of conditions or restrictions even if they were inclined not to - they’ve been hammered by many parties, and they run the risk of falling foul of state government wrt. their lease conditions and either forfeiting ownership or at the very least being sued to hell and back.

    Being closed 2 seasons in a row would kill them in the local market.

    A skeleton staff on a small footprint run on an oily rag, with temporary boosting of capacity around peak season is a minimum expectation.

    Late open and early close with a shortened shoulder season is what we’d expect as a risk and cost reduction strategy - but if that’s the game they might as well walk away.

    I’d be leery to be a casual on the mountain in 2021, but with unemployment what it is...

    Vail’s every move will be logged, recorded, scrutinised, and if called into question, also litigated. There is also significant local animus against Vail in government and local industry, never mind its Victorian consumer base.

    Vail’s decision-making on its Victorian operations depends to a large degree on how their Northern hemisphere operations go - they’re so levered up that they might be forced to divest themselves of assets if they run out of cash. Who knows what happens to Vail’s 2020/2021 NH revenue under travel restrictions, and reduced numbers at resorts.

    They can’t really borrow more, and an equity raising would be challenging under current circumstances.

    For Vail the integration of Falls and Hotham has proven to be less easily achieved than hoped.

    Perisher is doing well for them, but Falls and Hotham have their unique complexities - more moving pieces and diverse stakeholders to work with. Perisher is a large volume, low cost operation by comparison.

    I personally would not be surprised if they ended up walking away - any local syndicate making a viable offer would have a good chance of clinching a deal, but no-one would be willing, especially now, to pay what Vail did.

    Vail will in any case have to write down the value of Falls and Hotham on their books - there’s no way in the next three years that they’ve going to see the revenue stream they were expecting, especially also because the strained Sino-Australian relationship is going to lower the cap on Chinese visitation to Australian resorts in the run up to the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics....

    Vail will also be less able to book prepaid revenue from early season pass sales - the take-up will be less, and whereas in previous years they may even have booked the full pass revenue before it was paid up fully, in current circumstances they would explicitly have to record the allowances for potential refunds on their books as well.

    I personally will forgo any discounts on Early Bird offers on the Epic pass, and keep my options open - I’m equally likely to ski Thredbo, Buller and NZ next year as buy an Epic Pass.

    I have however rolled over my resort entry into next year - predominantly for back country access.
     
  45. chriscross

    chriscross One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Somewhat off topic, so apologies, but thoughts triggered by the post above: is it even likely that the Winter Olympics will take place in 2022? Will the world's elite snow sports athletes want to go to China in 18 months? I know they went to Russia, but the situation will be very different. (If mods think this is not the place for such conjecture, I understand).
     
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    skimax Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes it will . China has the virus more under control than many places. Of course you may not want to go for other reasons.
     
  47. rowdyflat

    rowdyflat One of Us Ski Pass: Gold Ski Pass: Silver

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    Race to see whether the snow will go before the lock down.
     
  48. skiflat

    skiflat Old n' Crusty

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    Would have been a few days into enjoying this.....

    Nothing coming for September either

    If there was a year to miss, it was this one, that's for sure

    Worst season on record IMO
     
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    Xplora One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I would not disagree but resorts make snow so runs can be better if there are good snow making conditions. This would be an ala-natural year. The backcountry certainly fared worse this year. Perhaps a quick melt but I am told BHP road may not open early. A part of the road near Trapyard needs significant repair after a slip and it would have to be closed to do it. Ideal time right now as it is barren of snow at the site but getting the contractors on the job is the problem.
     
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    Warlock_01 One of Us

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    Such devastating news from the Falls Creek community.
     
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