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Falls Creek resort boundaries changed

Discussion in 'Falls Creek' started by Claude Cat, Feb 21, 2013.

  1. Claude Cat

    Claude Cat On my bike Moderator Ski Pass: Platinum

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    I would have said modified rather than extended, as in the article it says they added 10 hectares to one section, and removed 12 hectares from a different section.
     
  3. JoeKing

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Possums. Bet you.
     
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  4. Charlie

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    I bet the topic heading got lots of folk all excited about Mt McKay!
     
  5. Claude Cat

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  6. currawong

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Developing stuff near the lake to improve summer facilities is an important push for the resort. Looks like this is just the enabler for that. It's hardly pristine alpine habitat so can't see why anyone would really object - except as a matter of dogma.
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    The greenies can go jump in the lake.
     
  8. Ziggy

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Any excision or amendment by the Spring St idiots has me stoking the boiler. No consultation, no long term plan for the NP apart from squeezing out more dollars for their campaign contributors/voters.

    Is this dogma Curra? Or just values?

    Yes, I agree that the area added is not exactly pristine. In fact the whole of the BHP has been raked over and exploited for hydro and grazing. But that in my book is a case for restoration and protection.

    What do we have left in the state by way of pristine? Maybe 20%.

    sfo, I'll jump into Rocky Valley dam in winter if you join me.
     
  9. currawong

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    I can't see any harm in adding that slice of land to the resort. There has been talk for some years about doing it. The lake is seen as a potentially great summer resource, if only the could make the boat ramp area more attractive and provide amenities for athletes and the general public.

    as for consultation, maybe not with grassroots, but key stakeholders have been involved. You could discuss with our mutual xc friend. It is definitely a part of the long term plan for the resort, with which DSE & Parks should be familiar

    I think it's a great initiative for Falls.
     
  10. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    AFAIK VNPA wasn't in the loop. Nor FoE.

    Not key stakeholders?

    Who's out there on hands and knees pulling out weeds? Or mounting evidence-based cases against the reintroduction of grazing, whose govt justification was mocked out of court?
     
  11. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    I really don't think you can put this in the same class as the cattle reintroduction travesty.

    The land in question is in many ways regarded by visitors as part of the resort, not the np. It's largely road, buildings and mud/baked dirt. The NP status just puts very unhelpful restrictions on how that small piece of land can be used.
     
  12. Strepera versicolor

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    I reckon that the ten hectares in question as shaded includes about a km of road, the car park at the end of Rocky Valley Dam wall, the car park toilet block and observation deck overlooking the dam wall, a boat ramp area with extended gravelled area for parking and boat racks, some old SEC concrete structures, the AGL workshops and an area fairly acurately described as 'the quarry', also a legacy from the good old construction days.

    And nice to hear about our friends from the VNPA bringing up the subject of public consultation. Shame that it is so many years late. Where were they when the Kennett government suddenly announced the handover of many tens of thousands of hectares of former SEC Crown Grant to the National Park at the stroke of a Spring Street pen when they were selling off the state's assets at a great rate. Down at the pub celebrating sounds like a reasonable guess to me.
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    FoE? Is that friends of the earth? A ragtag extreme left wing group (at least in my day in the 70s, it was)? Regardless, they're hardly what I would regard as a 'stakeholder'. At best you could call them a political lobby group, but certainly not a stakeholder.
     
  14. Ziggy

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Well, as I said, hardly a stakeholder. Just a self-appointed green lobby group.
     
  16. Ziggy

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Curra, I agree that there's not much natural values left in that stretch, but see this is just another unilateral decision in a series: unlicensed firewood removal from redgum forests, fossicking and prospecting proposed for the Alpine and other NPs (with the VEAC excluded from advising on whether, only free to advise on how) and ordinary citizens banned from wetlands during the duck hunting season/hours unless they're carrying a gun.
     
  17. Ziggy

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Which of the cooperative projects did you miss?

    Reverse Garbage
    Food coops
    Barmah-Millewa collective
    South Melb. commons

    And what is inferior about lobbying? How many Parks do you think we'd have if it weren't for the work of active groups of citizens (while the rest sat on their bums and moaned and then stepped out to enjoy the results of others' efforts).

    ...

    If it wasn't for the VNPA there'd have been no FOI request that revealed that the Govt was telling porkies about the scientific justification of grazing reintroduction.

    Declaration: I am a member and financial supporter of the VNPA.
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    a) What have any of those projects got to do with the Alpine National Park
    b) Who said it's inferior?
    c) VNPA is fine
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Why use "self appointed" as a descriptor for Friends of the Earth. In fact your tone implies that the phrase is intended as a perjorative.

    I suppose Red Cross, Care International might be "self appointed" too, as probably most religions are as well. Martin Luther was, Martin Luther King too. Sheeesh!

    Why are ski forums populated by so many conflicted people?
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    that does seem like an interesting bit of perjorative, Teckel.

    I think what worries me the most is the secrecy of the deal. I do remember high level negots going back at least as far as when Gavin Jennings was minister, but after the Coalition got into power it seemed to me it became a lot less transparent. And thats got to be a worry when we are talking about changes to park boundaries. This decision was clearly primarily about benefitting Falls Creek operations, not about enviro protection.

    In terms of this particular deal, i am happy to accept the argument that its an overall ok deal, with low conservation value land being swapped for higher value terrain. But the increasingly arbitary nature of this govs policy towards conservation and willingness to let their (in my opinion) extremist ideology over ride environmental protection scares the hell out of me.

    By the way, do you like my new signature?

    FoE employee and trouble maker
     
  21. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Bears say they are relocating resources:they would love some Red Gum though!!
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    just wondering about the comments about Kennett.

    Yes, he sold off so much - eg all rights to the VPC plantation land to Hancocks, who have been rampaging since then.

    But handing public land from one authority (SEC) to another (Parks) isn't the same as privatisation. Not clear on what your concern is, what was the worry with that transfer?
     
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    I thought extremist ideology was more of a National Park trait!!
     
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    US, I can direct them to a very nice stand of red gum [​IMG]
     
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  25. Hunter

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    This sounds like a very important addition to Falls Creek.
    Has the potential to actually make the resort a summer destination similar ( but much smaller )to Thredbo.
    Is Rockey Valley protected from any kind of water sports ?
     
  26. currawong

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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Rocky Valley allows power boats and it is not uncommon to see people out fishing from them. Not sure if there is a speed limit that effectively cuts out some things.I've never seen any one water skiing but as far as I know it's not forbidden.

    Kayaks are for hire. Dragon boat races are held every year. Rowers train up there. Sailing is allowed. I've seen windsurfers (even used to be a competition many years ago) and I think the stand up paddlers are having a go these days.
     
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    Interesting, power boat activities is the one, water skiing especially, how big roughly from end to end ?
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    Apart from the crap process in which it appears that only FC Resort Mgt was consulted, what this excision is likely to result in is a big building next to Rocky Valley Dam that will be visible from many adjacent parts of the BHP.

    A National Park is for the conservation of natural values.

    Dick Hamer would be turning in his grave.
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    1800m of navigable water, roughly 600m wide. Not a lot. Esp for water skiing.
     
  30. currawong

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    not completely sure, but when it's full it's probably the best part of 5km end to end. it is shallow in places (around the bays and inlets). The area is supposed to be 265 ha

    water skiers like a glassy surface, i don't think that would be all that common, compared to the hume dam not so far away.
     
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    Re: Falls Creek resort boundaries extended

    does this mean that all NP's should have a visual exclusion zone around them?
     
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