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Falls Creek RMB Masterplan

Discussion in 'Falls Creek' started by Hully, Aug 20, 2014.

  1. Hully

    Hully One of Us

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    For those that are interested, this is the on-line resource/forum for the 'Falls Creek Masterplan Discussion Paper'. Get involved, the forum is a bit half baked (trying to address this at the moment) but even the 'Quick Poll' has only had 19 responses!!! If you are passionate about Falls Creek being a snowsports resort as opposed to a health spa, training camp or internationally recognised cliche get involved and vocal during this 'consultation' process. http://masterplan.fallscreek.com.au/falls-creek-village-master-plan-2014
     
  2. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Iconic.

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  3. Moondog55

    Moondog55 One of Us

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    Well I just replied and sent an email as well, that survey is a joke, it isn't enough of a choice and there was no opportunity to arrange in order of preference. Personally I think a HA training camp and health resort is going to be the only option as climate change/global warming/and changes in peoples available holiday time are making a ski resort less and less financially viable in the long term. Something needs to be done to make the area viable in what most of us consider the "off " season
    Here is a copy of the email I just sent


    First my background
    I am a bushwalker and skier and a former mountain employee
    I lived at worked at Falls Creek for 5 years being employed at Pretty Valley Lodge as a cook.
    I have just read the 2014 master plan and nowhere in the Master Plan did I see mention of the impact of rising global temperatures and the fact that Australia will not have enough snow to justify a ski season by approximately 2050 ( although pessimistically I think this will occur 20 or 30 years earlier than this) and what will happen to the skiing infrastructure when we no longer get snow.

    I saw no mention of mountain access problems and ideas to deal with the massive need for a better road. The village already seems to have lost an amount of summer traffic with the current [ and in my personal opinion as a driver] ridiculously low speed limits on what used to be a fun road to drive.

    The village in general is not disabled and/or wheelchair friendly

    No mention has been made of the need to co-operate with National Parks to provide alternative sites close to the village for day visitors picnics and BBQs; I have been visiting the area for long enough to remember all the free electric BBQs that were provided by the old SEC before that unfortunate court case.

    There are no summer facilities for caravans and campers, partly due to the road being signed as unsuitable for caravans ( but used by large trucks and semi-trailers often) so campers, caravanners and bushwalkers tend to by-pass the village entirely.

    No mention has been made of the lack of facilities considered as essential by most people in the modern world; especially in busy tourist areas, no pharmacy at all these days and no medical teams during summer, very poor communications when away from the village proper for mobile phones.

    While I am aware of the high cost of doing business in the Alpine area the main whinge I hear is the high ( as considered by many, unaware of the costs) of visiting in winter and the much higher than city prices for catered food and drink.

    I notice fewer fishermen using the lake too these days, co-operation with Southern Hydro to increase the game fish population by increasing shoreline habitat ( this has been proposed a few times with little success; and I do not understand why as making a few perched dams would take a bulldozer only a couple of days ) and at the same time more needs to be done to protect the existing population of native species of fish.

    I realise that back country skiers are not at the moment ( this would change rapidly if CC skiers were allowed to carry skis up the lift on an access ride ) an economical asset to the ski lift company but some improvement in back country access trails with a new well signed and visible BC access trail from the top of the mountain at Cloud 9 would improve the current strained relations between Ski tourers and the village as a whole and encourage BC skiers to spend money on a lift pass to save uphill time and buy a meal or snack in the cafe. BC access trails would only need a little signage and the use of a colour coded retro reflective tape on poles.

    Just adding some retro reflectors to the old SEC snowpole line to improve safety in severe weather would improve overall safety at minimal cost. Guided Cross Country tours with a good guide and instructor may or may not be economically viable at this stage.

    I have been a summer and winter visitor to Falls Creek for over 35 years and while the village is now much prettier in many ways it is less and less of an attraction in summer.

    The impression of many of my friends who have visited in winter is that the whole village seems to be geared to the extraction of as much cash in the shortest possible time. Much like Luna Park or Crown Casino.
     
  4. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Will take a look.
    For economic growth in summer the relationships between 'the village' and the NP and its users will be critical to map and develop.
    The current layout provides anything but a village feel in summer; more like a maze.
    A minor point picking up from one of Moondog's: there's potential to grow motorbike-based tourism but one class of user is put off by the 60 limit from the bridge. Riders would be looking for cheap beds, food, booze, air compressor and visor cleaning station .... Mitta Mitta folk were thinking about the opportunities offered by the sealing of the Omeo as soon as it was announced.
     
  5. Moondog55

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    When I worked in the village during summer PV Lodge often hosted the Harley Owners Club Easter meeting. I think that particular group would now be looking elsewhere to try their riding skills. Same for the Sports Car Club of Victoria as well as all the solo riders and drivers who like to ride close to the edge; I'm one of those I admit.
     
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    There are an increasing number of accommodation places looking to attract riders by being 'bike friendly' - usually that means undercover and perhaps locked parking plus an unspecific offer to be nice; not to look on us as rapists or meth chefs.

    In that context Falls Ck would be competing with the towns in the valleys and that would be a challenge. What could it offer that's unique? Seal the McKay rd to the top and run hill climbs? :evil:
     
  7. Moondog55

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    OH NO!! I was under the impression that hill climbs were far more challenging when run on dirt. :D
    The kids at Easter loved having the owners club around, lots of little kids being given Harley rides around the village.
    Opening up a couple of roads and running a "Point to point" around the lake would be much more fun, especially if a couple of "Off bike" activities like a run up to the summit of Mt Cope and a "Chug-a-lug" ( warm beer and a cold meat pie A=La Melbourne University Challenge):evil: at the half way point were added in
     
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    Does the 60KPH limit really deter those that want to test their riding skills? Not sure that a public road is the place for this anyway.
     
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  9. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, it doesn't deter them. They do it elsewhere (or take the risk).

    Folk are testing their riding and driving skills all over the shop. Public roads are pretty much the only place the average joe can. I'm all in favour of the French harm minimisation exercise of putting a free or low cost open access race track outside Paris (now defunct).

    Anyway, this is OT.

    RMB is doing yet another planning exercise. If the question to be answered is wrongly framed it'll be another waste of time. A watcher of this State govt will know their priorities - provide more money making opportunities.

    “Victorian alpine resorts will be vibrant, growing and environmentally sustainable places, delivering alpine recreational and tourism experiences that are available to all” - Ryan Smith.

    I'm a fan of strategic planning using the simple approach: how to respond to the key dilemmas? For Falls Ck there has been a drop in high-value patronage. How do they increase the return on the substantial infrastructure that's in place?
     
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    Does it involve a commercial arrangement with Giant bicycles? And one of the old AFL clubs? And a lodge that operates a restaurant?
     
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    Hi Hully I tried the Quick Poll but The Registration password system has problems.

    Says my email address is I incorrect, so I play the 'forgotten password , email it to me' game. Then says I have no previous password??

    This could be why your nos. are down.

    Thanks for advice - I better get off my $&$$ and read the plan ( reading Hotham too!) ;)
     
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  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    The poll reminds me of the critique by JG March of strategic planning and of the notion that organisations operate rationally: strategic plans usually are framed to justify decisions already made.

    It's a pretty worthless poll as a data gathering exercise. Folk will have varying conceptions of what the options mean and it doesn't test their willingness to stump up for one or more if they are found appealing. The poll will be used to demonstrate consultation (as an end, not as a central part of the process) and do the work of justification.
     
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    I tried to regsiter too but had the same probs as Snowgum.
     
  14. Hully

    Hully One of Us

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    Just to make it clear, I have NOTHING to do with the Masterplanning Process or the on-line forum. I am just a really passionate employee, skier, summer activity participant, year round Mt Beauty resident and local business owner. IMO the forum as it now stands is pretty lame and designed to control and restrict feedback from the public. I have been in contact with the consultant (who works for a city based consultancy that I would assume is being paid a significant amount of money to conduct the public consultation process) responsible for this as I find it amasing that forum members cannot start discussion topics. Pity they did not contact Ian and Richard from ski.com.au to facilitate the forum and put some money back into a ski industry business. You need to contact eleanor@capire.com.au about difficulties and concerns with the forum. Note this email contact is public on the link I have put in the OP.
     
  15. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Goodo.

    I'll not ask what Falls Ck can do for me.
    (FFS).
     
  16. Hully

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    I hope you don't think I was being critical of you or anybody or their comments in this thread. Just didn't want to be tarred with the brush of the consultation process.
     
  17. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No, not at all Hully. I understood where you stand on this.
     
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    Falls Creek Resort Management is pleased to inform you that the Falls Creek Village Master Plan 2014 (Draft) has been prepared
     
  19. snowduck

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    Blimey, the plan is extremely ambitious. I'm reading "driverless tracked rail system" and "Gondola Pod" plus I'm looking at a very different street layout. Slalom Street goes through a tunnel beneath Wombats Ramble. WTF ?! Has any of this been costed ?

    Sitzmark Street cleared of snow at all times ... I'm wary of any ideas that involve removing snow from streets. The only bitumen I want to see uncovered is that in the carparks
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I love thinking big.

    Do it every morning sitting on the pan.
     
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    And I get accused of cynicism. Go figure.
     
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    my understanding is that is intended as an aspirational plan - what they would like the place to evolve into, not a plan to actually do it. That sort of thing is needed when applying for grants etc to show how individual projects contribute to a bigger vision

    that said, I have only skimmed it so far and my cynicism needle was threatening to jump off the gauge
     
  24. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I love the invocation of an 'authentic alpine village'. Is that the one full of idiocy, ignorance and incest?

    (How'm I doing on the cynicism meter?).
     
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    Kinda sounds like FC is in Tasmania, but that's not the case ( and not fair to Tasmanians).
     
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  27. snowduck

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    Best thing about the masterplan - the International Poma remains as a poma
     
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  28. Ubiquitous Steve

    Ubiquitous Steve A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bears want to know why they have no management plan....oh they can become pests some times....they want a vision written down...they cannot see the trees for the forest me thinks..
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