Observations Fire Season 17/18

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  1. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I wish the morning TV shows would stop with the sensationalist reporting. It shows little sensitivity to those affected.
     
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    Tathra has no mobile coverage. Hopefully they might do something about it now. Its been a big issue down here. If your down near the beach need to call anyone you have to drive out of town to get coverage.
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    It has improved over the years. I could get some Telstra coverage.
     
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    I can get some coverage if i drive back up to where the footy field is but nothing down near the beach or bowling club.
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can get cover down low.
     
  7. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Some rain forecast for sat and Sunday ...0 to 4mm. 60% for NEVic....
    It's dry as in places....not sure why a TFB was not up for NE over weekend as well.
    Warrnambool has 60% 2to 4mm.Friday and 70%4to 8mm Saturday...BOM figures .:thumbs:
     
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    I havent been to Tathra beach for a while so maybe coverage has improved . A few guys at work who live there still complain about the coverage. Im with optus so maybe that's half my problem.
     
  9. chicski

    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah pretty sure it's Telstra only. Living in the country, that's the only reason I put up with their high prices and woeful customer service!
     
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  10. Claude Cat

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    18 houses damaged / destroyed in Victorian S/W.
     
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    Some rain forecast forTues and Wed around Merimbula couple of mm a day max..then Thursday and Friday 2 to 6mm around 70%
    Hang in there some rainfall is forecast that should help to ease the situation.
     
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    They put in a tower (telstra), it burnt down yesterday.
     
  13. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pretty bad pics coming in from Tathra.
    The old why is this house spared and the others burnt
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    Fk eh.
    Terrible.

    Any news on the pub?
     
  15. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    No ...the school was saved.
    The caravan park was partly affected
    I'm waiting on a update from Winkie the whale.
     
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    Embers and then house to house..
    Except for the lone one with the pool , had fairly persistent fencing by the look of it that probably contained the radiant heat sparing the neighbours.
    Regardless i am sure i will hear Justin Leonard's assessment of it in september.. (and the vic fires )
     
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    From the RFS....:(
    NSW RFS Building Impact Assessment teams have completed their initial assessment of the Tathra bush fire. It has been confirmed that 69 houses have been destroyed, with 39 damaged. 398 have been saved or not affected. 30 caravans or cabins have been destroyed. Approximately 90 percent of the fireground has been assessed. Information about specific homes which have been impacted is being provided to residents through the evacuation centre at Bega.
     
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    I had a mate who lived in Upwey / Upper Fern Tree Gully ( about 1/2 way up Mt Dandenong) when the fires when through there (1997 IIRC). It's heavily wooded area with steep slopes.
    He stayed and fought & saved his house (the front of his car melted). Next door burnt down - simply embers landed on the decking and mulch and there was nobody to put it out. He did his best, but you can't cover everything and your own property is most important. Of course determining if a fire is defendable or not is the question, fires such as on Black Saturday are simply not and you're condemning yourself to nasty possibilities.
     
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    Can also be a messy yard with lots of fuel - stuff to burn - leaves, mulch, coir doormat, etc. In the country, you really need to keep a tidy yard through summer - no build-up of leaves, no shrubs next to the house, no firewood stacked near the house etc.
    Looking at that pic of those that survived, some clearly have paths, paving etc around the house - definitely an advantage. Their lawns burnt, but the houses didn't because there were no shrubs against the house to catch alight.
    It's not always as random as the media like to pretend it is.
     
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    Pub saved and the Wharf saved too.
     
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    Pub ok
     
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    Small fire near the highway at Pambula. Fire crews attending.
     
  23. teckel

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    Well said. :clap:
    In 99% of fires, a home is very defendable. I daresay that Tathra was one such fire. Very few fires are undefendable, if your home is properly prepared, and you stay and fight it.
     
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    Good news.
    My olds have a friend with a house almost next to it so hope that is ok too.
     
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    Great stuff
     
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    and the other reason houses survive ..... is the fire crews - they will save what they can, focusing on saving , not putting out whats already alight.
     
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    That’s exactly what was said by the RFS today.
     
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    And the key sentence is “If your home is properly prepared” most unfortunately aren’t..
     
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    Very depressing scenes from down south...
    It's wall to wall on channel 7
     
  31. Ubiquitous Steve

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    It was only a matter of time with dry conditions and strong winds and an ignition happening in an unfavourable location .....Tathra was unfortunate.....so many of these coastal towns can receive the same fate.....regardless of communications,and highly trained crews with quick response times etc etc.
    It's very disturbing.....but it's not uncomprehisible that this happened.Sadly next fire season.....another community gets roasted !!
     
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    This thing about asbestos is I feel, over exaggerated. The place next door to my shop that went up - a house, a ski hire and 3 rental cottages was constructed with asbestos walls etc. When they came in to clean up the site, they put quite a few asbestos detectors along my boundary. When they'd finished the removal of everything, they checked the detectors - there was no trace of asbestos. I think the fire burned it entirely. So if the fire is hot enough, clearly asbestos particles are destroyed too.
     
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    I've checked it out, and yes, it does break down at high enough temps:
    The thermal decomposition of raw natural asbestos minerals was characterized by DTA, XRD, FT-IR, and SEM. Thermal treatment is one of the methods that can recycle asbestos fibers as it causes the loss of their dangerous properties. Depending on the type of asbestos, a different temperature is required (about 700–800 °C for chrysotile and more than 900 °C for the amphiboles asbestos). As a result of this process, the mineral structure is changed through dehydroxylation which leads to the formation of X-ray amorphous and anhydrous phase with the maintaining of fibrous morphology.
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10973-012-2222-9
     
  34. Donzah

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    Yeah but the problem is , coastal communities have hundreds of weather board houses with asbestos construction.
    It only takes one structure to be partially destroyed for the asbestos to be very active in the enviroment.
    The really bad shit is if there was fibrous asbestos in the roofs of these places. That stuff is nasty as if disturbed.
     
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    Yeah, that's the issue - the partially destroyed houses.
     
  36. Donzah

    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm far from expert..But this fire looked nowhere near as "hot" as your Fire , or the one in Canberra.
    I'm sure there would be a few panels of fibro sheeting left in most cases.


    On another note i'd be so pissed seeing Sunrise trudge and drive around these neighbourhoods. While being stuck in Bega.
    "oh , I wonder if my house is OK? ....sees on TV its destroyed"
     
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    That's right, they let the journos in to indulge in voyeuristic behaviour, but don't let the stake-holders in (the owners) who may be able to stop lingering hotspots from still burning their homes.
     
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    Donzah Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    As long as their spotless yellow overalls are spotless.
     
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    LOL One of the first things a firey does when they get new yellows, is rub them in ash so they don't look like a newbie.
     
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    LOL I bet.
    Lets be honest...a fireground etc is a dirty enviroment. Anyone (ie channel seven) doing a smidgen of physical work would have stains and ash all over those overalls in a second.
    Those presenters must be carried from shot to shot
     
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    Locals aren't too happy with the media. Mate at work snuck in , after being denied by traffic management, to help his mate. They saved his house and another 4 in the street. They had hoses connected together running down the street.. Media turns up and asks if they can take photos, they were politely told to f*** off. A lot more houses could have been saved if proper precautions were taken and more manpower stayed.. Lady at work said she filled her gutters with water before evacuating. Her house survived ,next door didn't.. The community response has been heart warming.
     
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    Yeah you get that impression from watching WIN news rather than the Sydney based News.

    Not trying to be devils advocate or anything....but do you think Tathra was mentally prepared or ready for a fire?
    I say this cause here in Wollongong. The level of complacency on the bush fringe is astounding ..(cause it hasn't burnt in living memory)
    You compare this to more common bush fire areas and the attitudes seem different.
     
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    I think it’s...... a single hot day in mid-March (!!) and thoughts are less of major risk.
     
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    Yeah for sure....
     
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    well before our time
     
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    A lot of people taken by surprise. Some didn't even take their cars they just ran down to the beach. Biggest problem was embers lighting up mulched garden beds and the fact that we've had stuff all rain its so dry down here. If there had of been a fire on brown mountain it would have been much worse.
     
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    Telegraph running a story saying is Tathra cursed because its had a murder, drownings and a fatal shark attack and now the fire.Yeah kick them while their down. Wankers.
     
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    The community will need to have a few community meetings some stage in the future to air their grievances in regard to fire management....more can be undertaken in the field of fire prevention and suppression.The price of mistakes can be high....very unfortunate learning curve here!!

    This is in no way criticism of the fire response or effort of those involved..we must get smarter in regard to dealing with fast running high intensity fires.....you need to have everything in place and a rehearsed plan.

    Communications are essential.....you need a back up plan ready to go as soon as you lose a telecommunications tower...rehearsed ready to go.

    Pine bark mulch and gas bottles?? You got to consider these things for those high intensity fires.
    Thank god that a safe area was available....the beach.....probably factored in by fire authorities as a fail safe survival option....some communities ain't got no beach to run to!!
     
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    Gas bottles aren't generally the dangerous issue you'd expect. Gas bottles have a built-in vent which releases gas when they get hot, so they don't explode (unless the venting mechanism is faulty). What can happen though is that the escaping gas can catch fire so it becomes like a flame thrower. Installed gas bottles will always have the vent positioned away from the house for this reason. BBQ bottles are a bit different, but again, if you live in the bush, you should not store BBQ bottles close to the house in summer.

    Lots of reports of gas bottles 'popping' or 'going off'? It only needs one person to make such a suggestion, and everyone says they too, heard it. This sort of thing happens in these situations - the power of suggestion is mighty. I remember in our fires one person said it sounded like a jet engine. Suddenly, everyone said it sounded like a jet engine. I didn't hear a jet engine; I heard thunder which my brain said it couldn't be, because thunder doesn't come from downhill. On the other hand, I don't remember much of the noise of that day, just what I had to do and did, and thoughts.
     
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    tathra will bounce back ...the locals are resilient....they will like those in Marysville shake their heads and get smarter,build smarter and look forward to rebuilding,replanning and replanting....