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Discussion in 'Europe' started by TOFF, Jun 29, 2018.
Have been looking at Val.
Where else should I be looking?
Somewhere where you can get to the snow from a proper city like Salzburg.
I have been to StAnton before which is always a good option too but would kind of like something new....like Salzburg.
Or Les Arcs 2000, which has funicular access down to Bourg St Maurice. Bourg is not a very exciting town but it is a town and it has a railway station to make day excursions possible.
Is there anything for nons actually in LesArc2000?
I would go to Zermatt or Chamonix or Grindelwald before Val d’Isere with non skiers. They all have multiple activities for non skiers - active and less active. Huge zip line at Grindelwald, pretty sure all of them have outstanding toboggan runs (like full ski run set ups), and sleigh rides and ice skating...
And they can join you on the hill in most locations for drinks and lunch and to watch your impeccable moves..
Are we talking fit active non skiers, or nan and pa?
Fit and active (wife and youngest), just don’t like skiing.
They had a ball in Tahoe and never left lake level.
Grindelwald has the longest toboggan run in Europe and the Grindelwald First Flyer (zip-line) is 800m long and you can reach speeds of 84 km per hr - it runs alongside the Gondola.
Then you’ve got the Jungfrau a short train trip away.
I don't know. I have been through Bourg a couple of times and seen the connection to Les Arcs.
But Val, IMO, doesn't have 2 weeks of amusement either.
Zell am See
Oh yeah - and Bourg is about an hour further down the valley.
Grindelwald or Wengen are good choices, they can get the train from Wengen up to Kleine Scheidegg and join you for lunch. Interlaken is only an hour away from Wengen by train and 34 minutes from Grindelwald. Beautiful town between Lake Thun and Lake Brienz.
I like @LMB suggestion.
Agree with Legs and that Bourg St Maurice must have entertainment for non skiers.
Another to throw in is Schladming. Was a decent sized town(city even?) and a wicked tobboggan track https://www.planai.at/en/winter/hochwurzen-toboggan-run
How adventurous and old are the non skiers ?
We went over to Europe a few years back at the end of the season and skied in Engleberg,originally we had pencilled in Lucerne, but due to the late snow , we just changed trains at Lucerne and caught the hourly train straight up to Engleberg.(Mt Titlis)
The wife then caught the train back down to Lucerne on other days for sightseeing.
The hotel was right next to the train station.
There are probably plenty of resorts in Europe where that can be done.
Les Arcs 1600 had a Funicular that goes straight down to the train station at Bourg Saint Maurice from there catch the train back to Albertville(hosted 1992 winter olympics) or Chambery(probably to far to a day trip) .
There are other little towns before you get to Bourg that services the La Plagne resorts and the Three Valleys ski resorts.
Cant remember if they are worth a quick walk around and even Albertville is a bit unremarkable.
Fancy a bit of BOBSLED or skeleton!
Another vote for Zermatt
My favourite ski town anywhere ever
Has a cinema and shops and non-skiers can ride the Gornergrat and meet you there for lunch
Plenty to do
We shall be at Zermatt from the 12th Jan if want to meet up for a few drinks
Reckon just about anywhere in Switzerland... Lots of wellness resorts, thermal baths and high-end hotels around.
The famed jazz of Montreaux near Gstaad, Les Diablerets, the massive Portes du Soleil and neighboring canton Valais...
Anywhere along the glacier express...
Arc 1800 has an awesome new swimming pool, spa, luge, wellness arena and a number of other non-skiing facilities. Depends what non-skiers want to do history stuff, museum, culture, activities?
Innsbrook is perfect, great base for non-skiers easy access to lots of skiing for you. Easy flights from UK
The other thing about Innsbruck is if you squint your eyes and hold your head a bit funny you might actually think you're in Melbourne!
Brilliant suggestions, keep em coming.
Because of the trams?
I did a couple of Christmas trips in Innsbruck, loved it
That and some of the buildings they have with the understanding there was a fair bit of rebuilding after ww2
But like I said you have to squint hardish but the architecture has a sort of Melbournish feel and yes the trams help
Well they do say Europe had the most Melbournian feel of all the continents
We usually have non-skiers in our party for big family trips. In Europe, have taken them to Val D'Isere, Zermatt, Meribel and La Plagne. Mother in law rated Zermatt the best by some margin - loved the food, spa, shops etc. She also enjoyed the chalet style holidays we had in Meribel and La Plagne - but we got lucky with our hosts on those trips and she is the kind of person who has a great time sitting by the fire reading her book whilst on holidays where others could consider that a little boring.
Mother in law certainly did not enjoy sleeping under one of those shiny metal emergency blankets on the concrete floor of Grenoble airport for a night though......
Thanks for all the suggestions. Lots to consider.
Rough plan is a week in London, a week to 10 days in Europe with things on the ‘wish list’ to include a visit to Somme, visit a concentration camp, visit a city other than Paris and have a ski for a few days.
Not sure how we are going to achieve all that before heading back to the uk for a few days to visit family but I’m trying to make this work to keep everyone happy.
Hard schedule. Hope you enjoy your holidays.
Zermatt and Zermatt and Zermatt
Easy train connections and no bus or taxi transfers....
Zermatt - lots of great Winter walks and a great village. Can walk to various restaurants on the hill to meet up for lunch etc.
Village is nice with lots of bars to suit all
Val Thorens - depending where you stay it changes a bit but boring as hell for non skiers. But needs bus or taxi transfers
Val Disere - a few walks for non skiers but nowhere near as nice as Zermatt. But needs taxi or bus transfers
Has La Follie Douce...
Oh and welcome, are you new here?
Innsbruck has both of those covered as well as airport access. The other bits will be more difficult.
Wow you’re alive! Well I never.
Zermatt is my favourite place on earth, can be a bit exy.
Innsbruck, Wengen, Grindlewald are all sound suggestions.
What do folk think of Garmisch Partenkirchen as an option. ?
Nice town and good access to Zugspitze. Would probably have to fly in to Munich.
Is one of the locations along with Innbruck for the ski jumping tournament over the New year if that is of interest.
Was thinking would offer lots of options for the skiing and and lots of options for hopping on a train and going somewhere different .
Another vote for Zermatt, a beautiful village, as mentioned earlier non skiiers have multiple gondola/trains to access mid mountain lunch spots to meet up with skiiers, and the mighty Matterhorn towers over the Village:
The train trip from Interlaken to Wengen goes through the Lauterbrunnen Valley, which is absolutely spectacular at any time of year.
@TOFF you can ski the famous Lauberhorn run and ski over Kleine Scheidegg down to Grindelwald. Non skiers can access Jungfraujoch https://www.jungfrau.ch/en-gb/jungfraujoch-top-of-europe/
Some fantastic shots there.
or head up to Murren and the Schilthorn
This. Re-trace the steps of the only Aussie James Bond...
At Murren they market the crap out of their James Bond connection. At the top station, which was the evil lair in
OHMSS, there is a big exhibition, film clips on a loop, etc. Including the most evil of all activities, a revolving restaurant.
You will also share the gondola with a lot of non-skiing Chinese & Japanese, who are extremely keen on the Bond thing.
Murren also has a 'thrill zone' on another peak. Transparent walkways stick out of a 500m drop, and a bunch of other things that kids and teens find very exciting.
The background is the Jungfrau/Eiger/Monk. Wengen, Jungfraujoch and Grindewald are across the spectacular valley.
Having done a season in LA2K its probably the worst place on earth for non skiers if you dont like drinking shit wine. 1950 has a bit going on but not enough. Non skiing access to the funi is via bus back to 1600.
Id be looking at Austria, Innsbruck etc.
If france is desired briancon could be a goer. Close to italy. Heaps of resorts near by (Alpe D'Huez, Les Deux Alpes, La Grave, Serre Che, Via lattea, Risoul, Vars) Not super far away from Nice, Cannes and monaco either.
Montchavin/les Coches, La Plagne.
All three are accessible from London St Pancras station via the Ski Train to Bourg St Maurice. We did the overnight ski train, more comfotable than a plane and you dont waste a day travelling.
Bourg is s fairly decent size town, the morning we arrived it was dumping down but there were markets setting up, there would have to be things to do.
Montchavin a les Coches are both working villages so there are different kinds of things to see and do.
If you get a Paradiski Pass you can ski La Plagne, Montchavin/LesCoches, Les Arcs (includes all) Belle Plagne and access to the Glacier at over 3000m.
France will cheaper than Switzerland.
We stayed in a Chalet for a week with 5 non skiers and they didnt get bored.
So, UK is booked from 31/12 to 7/1
Chamonix from 7/1 to 12/1
Need to be back in UK 18/1
Where to from Chamonix (not skiing) just for tourist stuff. Have roughly been thinking a day or two in Zurich then a day or two then maybe even Stuttgart before heading to Assas then back to UK before back to Oz
Annecy is very nice for a day
I would mosey through Provence, the Luberon and the French Riviera and fly or train out of Nice to get back to the UK.
If you are heading to Zürich from Chamonix take the little cog rail over to Martigny which is pretty spectacular. Then go via Interlaken, maybe head up Jungfrau, then Meirigen to Luzern, all great mountain & lake scenery.
We love travelling by train and I had seen the TER train from Chamonix to Martigny.
Should I be stopping in any of those places for any length of time or just commuting via them?