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Sold FS Black Diamond kicker skins x 2

Discussion in 'Gear Swap' started by Ziggy, Sep 22, 2018.

  1. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    A great alternative or complement to pattern bases for touring in rolling hills. They provide a lot of grip but are easy to apply and can be carried in a pocket.

    1. 70mm wide, Glidelite nylon (tractor pattern), VGC used for 2 days, with bag and cheat sheet $85

    2. 80mm wide, Glidelite mohair mix, new, with bag and cheat sheet $110

    The clamp plate on these has been fixed.

    Inspect/pick up in the north of Melbourne or posted at your expense.







     
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  2. Chaeron

    Chaeron One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    BD Kicker skins rock on the high plains - either by themselves with a non-patterned base, or in combination with a patterned base for accessing steeper terrain. A good buy!

    Easy to apply & remove, making for quick transitions & given their size easy to store in a side pocket - no need to remove a backpack for transitions.
     
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  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    They've actually got enough grip to do some pretty steep climbs as well - though if you're in big mountain country wall to wall skins are safer.
     
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  5. PhilG

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    Is there a trick or modification to stop the front clamp coming loose and acting as ski brake? I'd really like the idea of kicker skins but I never found a way to make them work properly.
     
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes. There's not enough curve in the clamp plate. That allows the leading edge to drop and act as a scoop.
    The solution is to bend it a little further - 2-3mm should do it.
     
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    Thanks! Good to know there's a solution.

     
  8. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    My guess is that BD changed the fabric to something thinner but didn't change the plate to match.
     
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    nfip Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    thread revival
    I'm headed "down south" for the summer.
    Yes to the big white Continent. and 24 hrs daylight.
    Looking at these for my AT skis.
    100m wide so thinking 85 or 90mm skins ?
    Not up for the bucks of pattern base and bindings just now so this looks the goods till I see what terrain is on offer.
    will take the full skins as well.
    any feedback on brands or just stick with Black Diamond , any other options etc.
    feedback appreciated.
     
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    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    BD is the only brand I know of that does them.
     
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    I bought Ziggy's castoff BDs last year , they have plenty of grip for moderate slopes.
    They dont have to be quite as wide.
    Might work well in Antarctica on rolling icy windswept stuff ?
     
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    Either width should be fine.

    BD are the go for kicker skins.

    Got ski crampons to go with the full length skins?
     
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    did a bit of reading just now , lunch break,
    I see Mont have them in 80 or 95.
    so I'm thinking I'll go the 80.
    leaves 10mm each side for the edge to come into play as seen in @Ziggy OP

    No haven't got any crampons.
    I did see these tho. I like.
    [​IMG]
    https://www.wildernesssports.com.au.../skeats-stainless-steel-85mm-skin-cleats-pair
     
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    I've got a bit of experience with both. Got some Skeats this year, they are a compromise between crampons and nothing. Best feature is hanging them off the belt or bottom of shoulder strap of your pack, so you can grab em and snap em on without taking your pack off. If you are going straight uphill (rare if its steep and icy enough to need crampons), they work great, but the more you crosshill the less grip, as you get down to one tooth, or no teeth in the snow. So theyre nice to take "just in case" on trips where you wouldnt usually carry bulky crampons.

    Kickers are tricky and also a compromise. I've tried different widths on diff width skis, they are surprisingly good, but width is an issue... I strongly recommend getting the width to fit as close as you can to "normal", with just the edges showing. Otherwise every time the snow surface is uneven while ascending you can put all your weight on blank parts of your ski and slip out, ESPECIALLY while traversing, which you need to do a bit more with kickers than normal skins, and even worse, all that extra strap from the plate to the edge in front acts as a horrible ski brake, plus the corners of the plate start to dig in more, plus your edges will eventually cut the straps.
    However, when they fit right, and with good technique (weight on heels) they can be awesome for laidback days where you might not even bother to bring a pack. I have some oldschool K2 8611s with a 70mm waist and 70mm kicker skins (because the ski is radiused and skin is straight, only a tiny amount of edge is covered), and they work incredibly well.
    *Also agree about bending the plates, and I also filed the leading edge sharper and slightly rounded the leading corners to reduce biting.
     
  15. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you're in a no fall zone then it's full width/length skins or crampons. Kickers are a climbing aid, not a safety device.