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Comments Funnel Web cam

Discussion in 'Thredbo' started by Dos, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Dos

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    How steep is Funnel Web? Does anyone know how steep (in degree) of the drop at the top of Funnel Web and the two steep sections along the run are and how high the top drop is?
     
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    Not steep. Really. Narrow, scares me. But not steep. (click for large)

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  3. VSG

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    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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  5. Dos

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    Thanks VSG.

    I don't think the H distance is 300m. When zooming in using satellite photo, the distance seems to be just between 150-200m of H distance. Let's say 175m. I think 3D rendered map isn't quite accurate, depending on your angle. When riding on the slope, I don't think it was that long (300m.)

    If you're right in using 300m, the steepness will be just 13.5 degrees which is below average Blue. Note. Cruiser avg steepness is 10 degrees.

    If I'm right in using 175m, the steepness will be 21.8 degree which on the edge between Blue and Black.

    I was quite surprised at how small degree I found from my calculations. That's why I asked if anyone know exactly what it is especially the very top section. I only have pictures of this section during summer which I think is much less steep without the cornice.

    I found these photos I took last summer.

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  6. VSG

    VSG Crayon Master Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You have essentially captured a 40 to 45 degree slope in some of those last pics.
     
  7. VSG

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    I'd put money on the fact that your summer shot captures the winter shot I found....

    and is discussed in the thread I linked to above..

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    Start this video at around 2:10...
     
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    Have never seen funnel web with that much snow or that skiable. And often at the bottom you have to walk out.

    I have not been over there for a while, but I remember half covered boulders sticking out of the snow. Have they rmoved them or are they covered by the foliage?
     
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  9. Dos

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    This one from another angle, to the side. Gives a bit more sense of steepness.

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  10. Dos

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    Skichanger, I agree. The last clip in VSG's post has so much snow. I'd not have known it was Funnel Web had the poster not titled it.
     
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    Gosh such a dated pic, in sooo many ways. Snow, skiing style, ski clothing , and it looks like the one piece is tucked inside the boots.

    Looks like fresh snow with no base so I would be very wary skiing there.

    Not sure why but we have seen more snow on golf course than funnel web. My kids often went there with school skiing.
     
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    I've skied Funnelweb twice, both times coming in from Ramshead top station (cos I don't know how to find it from the very top).

    The first time was in good snow with very good cover all the way down to the last bit where it joins True Blue. It was a touch steep in places but I got down wondering what all the fuss was about.

    The second time it was very thin icy cover and had vegetation sticking out all over the place. That's when I found out what all the fuss was about. Not the kind of run that any sane person would want to do in those conditions.

    I think GCB holds the snow better because it's in a bowl whereas FW is very exposed along the top of a ridge, so any loose snow gets blown off easily.
     
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    dunno but when its icy its sketchy more from the point of view that there are loads of rocks ect that come out. went down with Scarp & Gimp after a bc day and it was the hardest part of the day hahaha.

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    http://wikiski.com/wiki/index.php/Category:About_Snow#Slope_Steepness

    Slope Steepness

    There are two ways of measuring slope steepness. The first is a measurement using degrees, which measures the angle of the slope in degrees from the horizontal. The second is a percentage. This is calculated using the formula 100*rise/run. Rise is the vertical change and run is the horizontal distance. A 100% slope is angled at 45 degrees.

    10% is equivalent to 5.71º

    20% is equivalent to 11.31º

    30% is equivalent to 16.7º

    40% is equivalent to 21.8º

    50% is equivalent to 25.67º

    75% is equivalent to 36.8º

    100% is equivalent to 45º

    A beginner slope is typically between 6% and 25%. Intermediate hills range from 25% to 40%, and expert is 40% plus. As you can see, hills are not as steep as you think they are.
     
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    and its a horrible illusion how much steeper it looks when looking down ( and ready to ride it) versus looking up
     
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    and always looks disappoint on camera :nerd:
     
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    I have done FW heaps of times, in good and bad snow. It often deserves its double black status IMO. The very top is called Trapdoor, and is a narrow steep, but very short, chute. I have come in from Karels mostly, but also scooted past Ramshead top, after the Tors. Have never walked out, as you can see how the exit is from the chair, but it has been close sometimes. Last year I did it with TPhat, and got a rock real good with my nice bases. Also by chance met one of the guys that built the original illegally in the late 60's. Apparently everyone use to leave for the summer (staff) and they just started cutting. It used to be much gnarlier, but has been widened considerable. The middle steep section was two narrow sections with a band of trees dividing them. I have seen grown men weeping on that run.

    I would guess that it mostly 30-35ish at the steepest bits, Trapdoor might touch 45 for a metre or two. But sometimes there are overhanging moguls, so that would be 130? I have sideslipped off a couple in really bad conditions, and free fell off them for a couple of feet.
     
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    I've had only one chance to ski down the Trapdoor. I swear the drop/cornice was vertical for at least 2 metres before some lose snow piled up below in steep angle. I could not jump down there. There was a slider track (can I use this word to explain it?) of about 1.5 metres in width that was less steep than vertical but surely at least 60 degrees where people just shoot down all the way to the run out. I could not do that either.

    After 5 minutes of courage-gathering I had to do quick turns to go down, starting with going down with a bit to the left then quickly turned back to the right and rode the lose snow before turning back and forth to slow down and came to a complete stop.

    I was so scared and excited that I forgot to take photos!!! How could I have forgotten the most important thing!!?
     
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    That's scary. After the fall off the Bluff rocks last year, I've been very wary when going near icy surface :D
     
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    That was a great day. Proof that as long as it is white and you can slide on it there is fun to be had.
     
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    I haven't done FW.
    what is it similar to at hotham?
    spargos on a thin cover?
     
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    Is that what some refer to as "balls to the wall"?

    I came close to that on my second run - only saved by an instructor bringing 2 students down there who retrieved my ski from 30 metres up the icy slope and talked me through the rest of the run. One way to get a free lesson I guess!!
     
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    Balls to the wall is above funnell web.
     
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    Is it the last bit of Schuss before it joins Basin just above Ramshed top station?
     
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    Had it been as icy as theflyingmuzz's photo, I'd have been one of them LOL

    I've seen some girls crying at the steep section where Evil Way intersecs Supertrail.
     
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    Not really FW can be awesome ( lots of fresh) and is rarely groomed (the lost winch cat). It is usually full of steep Volkswagen sized moguls. Ok when soft, punishing when rock hard.

    It is well worth a visit after fresh snow, and a great idea turning sour when not. As it's a long thredbo run the exit is sketchy when it hasn't snowed- no snow making.

    But it remains a run of choice for me after fresh snow, iconic run.
     
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    If you're talking about the run Sasha's Schuss, yeah. THE Schuss runs directly below Merritts.
     
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    I broke my arm when skiing on Funnelweb. Skiing the large moguls on the flatter section below Trapdoor and the left ski came off, picked up speed going over the downhill side of the mogul and face planted with the arm outstretched. I subsequently learned that the middle and lower sections of the run are cambered to the right, every time the patrollers turned right I rolled on to the injured arm and took a deep breath of the nitrous oxide, which meant I was as high as a kite by the time they got me to the lower Supertrail.
     
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    That's your story anyway - probably just enjoyed the nitrous - ;)
     
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    you could hear him giggling from 100 paces! LOL
     
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    Oh yes, that one. The one just before you reach the Trapdoor that you can either go down FW-GCB or back to Basin.
     
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    balls to the wall is about half way between to top of karels and the load point of the basin, maybe on a level with the load point of karels. at least 100 metres south of karels. about half way between sashas schuss and the tors.

    it is a short sharp pitch or wall rather than a run. if you cannot do a 180 degree hop turn don't bother.
     
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    Instructor took us there a few times, but never told us a name of the area. I did very badly on my first run. The back of my ski got stuck in snow when I tried to hop around resulting in a fall. Second was a bit better. Last one was okay. Kinda knew the mistakes.
     
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    is good.
     
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    Or just go straight down :)
     
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    I got Funnelweb right after it was groomed once. Very nice. :D It's over a lot quicker though!

    Same as with the Schuss (another run known to make grown men cry) it's not the pitch so much, as the snow conditions and moguls.

    Who else has done the elusive Lower Funnel Web? That's a bit of adventure.
     
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    I used the topo map on maps.six.gov.au and for the very steepest bit (the dogleg) actually drops two contour lines (40m) in 60m, which comes out to 30 degrees! Steeper than I expected.

    I measured Stanley's Gorge as well (fall line from near Cruiser top station straight into the creek on the southern side) and got 160m drop in 226m which actually comes out to a rather consistent 35 degrees! Wow!
     
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    Lower funnel web is skiable more often than you'd expect due to all of the shade it gets from the trees.
     
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    The spot where the photo of the groomed Funnelweb run was taken was around where I broke my arm back in 2000. If it had been groomed that day I wouldn't have been in a sling for 7 weeks.

    I have skied Lower Funnelweb once. Wasn't too bad, but a bit icy in places.
     
  44. Dos

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    Never skiied lower FB, only hiked down.
     
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    There is a winch point at the top for grooming.

    Maybe none of them are brave enough?
     
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    That's where I got this. ;)

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    That photo say heaps about why we go bc. We had been boarding good quality untracked all day and as Muzz say had to encounter this on the way home. Resort vs bc bahahahahahahahahaha
     
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    But BC has no lift!
     
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    Yeah, perfect eh?
     
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    Depends on how many vertical metres you want in a day and how important it is to have the whole place to yourself. I know how to get most of the way down Thredbo away from the crowds, so the lifts work well for me. And though we all prefer natural snow to manmade, when the natural stuff is as thin on the ground as it has been on most of my recent trips I'll take the manmade any day.

    And with both me and my daughter also having had a ride down the hill in a ski patrol sled when we were in no state to get ourselves down, I rate their availability pretty highly too.

    So yeah - I reckon lifts are good. But each to their own - the more people who go BC the less crowds in the resorts!!!