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Furano, Asahi Dake, Tomamu, Kamui & Tokachi 18/19

Discussion in 'Japan' started by telenomore, Aug 22, 2018.

  1. telenomore

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    Some Tomamu backcountry goodness today. Was bluebird through central Hokkaido and -20 this morning.
     
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    @telenomore, I'm trying to close out this trip with some BC action. Do you have anything going in the next few days ?
     
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    Ill PM you.
     
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    I tried to post this update this morning but vimeo had locked my account for some reason. All fixed now so better late than never.
     
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    @telenomore whats mid to late march like snow wise in the BC? Im guessing less snow more sunny??
     
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    @Draizuh March most years is the best time to ski the high areas above treeline in Tokachi and other locations in DNP. Sounkyo and Kuro Dake well worth mentioning for March as well. Still plenty of snow fall. Ive noticed here in central Hokkaido, early and late season can have some of the biggest falls, whereas mid winter, very cold, tends to be smaller falls accumulating, staying cold etc. Mid winter, the high altitude winds can leave the above treeline areas pretty wind scarred, not always but a lot of the time. Come March here in central Hokkaido, temps are not such an issue as still cold. Furano also can get good powder right into April but the fundamental difference is you are more storm chasing at these lower levels than consistent between storms. I tend to avoid Kamui come late Feb as tops out at 750m so too low for good late season powder (mostly). Tomamu BC is a standout in March. Base of the resort is around 600m so higher and colder. Not as much snow fall though as further north.
     
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  7. d15812

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    Furano roof pan this morning, there is a bit of wind (not crazy) and the sun is trying to poke through.

     
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    As mentioned previously, MissBoof and I needed to transfer to Sahoro to round out our trip. With MrsBoof out of action with a broken leg and back in Bris, we explored options other than a 20,000yen taxi.
    We caught the bus from the Old Prince to the JR station Furano, 150yen each. Handled that with pocket shrapnel. From Furano directly to Sahoro Resort, 1070yen. We arrived at lunchtime so didn’t need to spring for a meal. The bus stops at Tokachi Sahoro hotel so we did have a 10 minute walk up to ClubMed. I’m not sure reception staff are too used to seeing arrivals like us.ie walking in.
    This is the timetable. Probably not too many people catching public transport to Club Med but may be useful.


     
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    Bus trip part of transfer was a nice country drive with a few stops along the way

     
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    A couple of pics from a solo tour up the back of the Yubari range yesterday. Morning was cold, -14, blue sky but weather slowly deteriorated to cloud and wind. ski tour yesterday up
     
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    A couple of shots from the last week around central Hokkaido. Looking ahead, staying cold for a bit longer yet. Very cold this morning, -21 and snowing. Snow at these temps is very fine and dry. I prefer it a bit warmer!
     
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    Now that’s my kind of “porn”
     
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    Anyone know of any Tattoo covered honky friendly onsen in Furano?? I know about the natural ones up tokachidake but is there any in town?
     
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    I see people in Highland onsen with tattoos all the time. There is no door man so it's unlikely anyone is going to cause a fuss.

    You're a foreigner, it shouldn't be an issue. Just don't take in draught beers like the guys I saw on Wednesday night - that definitely attracted a hovering manager until someone whispered to them that taking beers into a bathroom and toilet facility was probably not the greatest idea.
     
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    Has anyone taken the bus from Asahikawa Airport to Furano? Is advance booking necessary? I notice there's a ski bus I can book online, but that'll tie me down to that particular bus. I'm wondering if there're other buses I can take besides the ski bus. Thanks very much.
     
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    Yeah, the local Lavender bus, no booking necessary. Ticket system, pay when you get off. Takes luggage.
    You can goggle the time table.
     
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    Good to know about Lavender as the ski bus, it seems, only accepts prepaid booking. Thanks, mate.
     
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    Some Tokachi telemark Gold today. -10 up in the car park. Looking like a dry 10 days or so coming up but temps looking managable for the higher areas. A little wind effected up high so the alpine ridges not at their best but in the trees, as good as ever.
     
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    Feels very spring like since Monday. Roads now all ice free and snow to about 300m has an ice crusted surface over soft base. At altitude anything sun facing has melted and refrozen despite the cooler temps but north, to east facing slopes up high still have the goods. A couple of shots here of the Tomamu Backcountry today, farming some east facing terrain around 900m asl. Also a shot from yesterday above the tree line in the Tokachi's, which did get a nice little 20 cm windfall night before last without any wind so good conditions on the high alpine ridges. Blowy today so might be gone already. For skiers in central Hokkaido, the low hanging fruit has been skied out so go high and north facing for the best snow.
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    For Furano what’s best location to stay for skiing. We’ll be there late Jan/Early feb 2020. Looking for best access to mountain/terrain. Not worried about restaurants, apres etc. Mainly looking at access to gated terrain/SC (for me and my wife) but will also ski the resort (with dad 70 as he’s a little out of deep POW practice as he skis French alps)
     
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    Any of the places on the road directly across from the Kitonomae gondola have a fantastic location, just walk across the road to the lifts:

     
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    Both of the Prince Hotels have ski in/out access, the difference being the old Prince is on the Kitanomine side and the New Prince is on the Furano side. The New Prince is also more posh. It's better to stay at the New Prince if you want easy access to the gates near the top. Just take the super fast ropeway and switch to the double chair, as opposed to working your way over from the Kitanomine zone via the long and slow link chair.
     
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    Good point, our favourite BC gates are the ones on the Furano side. Most mornings we would hook it as fast as we could up the Kita gondola and get the link lift across to the Furano side.
     
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    @japower & @Froff Life cheers for the info. New prince looks like the go. Weirdly I actually kind of like the large old Japanese hotels we have stayed in. Generally awesome onsens and the people watching at buffets is awesome in Japan. At Madarao this year I couldn’t believe how much some of the Japanese can eat. I thought I had a good appetite until I went to a Japanese buffet
     
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    The New Prince is very comfy. There's half a dozen restaurants. Be sure you give Kitaguni a try. It's an izakaya place, and it tends to get booked very fast.
     
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    Looking at doing 4-5 days Furano and 4-5 days Tomamu with probably a day trip to Kamui or other. Will be looking at skiing gates & slackcountry maybe some BC with guide. From a challenging skiing which order would you recommend. Ie tomamu first then Furano or other way around? Dad is 70 so doesn’t want too much driving everyday so will likely book accom so he doesn’t get overly stressed
     
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    Depends where you're flying to. I've been to Furano twice, the first time we flew to New Chitose. The bus ride took nearly 3 hours. The second time we flew to Asahikawa, and it took just slightly over an hour to get to New Furano Prince. Seeing that you're also considering Kamui, then def fly to Asahikawa. Can't comment on Tomamu.
     
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    Furano has more challenging terrain than Tomamu IME.
     
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    Perfect thanks. Tomamu first sounds like the go
     
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    Yep agree with Crisp, some of the terrain out the back gates of Furano is full on back country. Warming up in Tomamu first, and then grabbing a guide for Furano would be a good plan :)
     
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    have all our Avi gear but don’t know the area so guide will be the go for at least a day
     
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    There has been some serious warming. Glide cracks above the tram are huge. Hanging cornices everywhere!
     
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    Tomamu today. Terrible snow. Even worse grooming and flat as a pancake. The upper section might be entertaining on a powder day but personally id never go back. And also charging 4700 for a 4 hour pass this late in the season is daylight robbery. I rode most of the mountain in about an hour and a half and left.
     
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    Good honesty about Tomamu. I like the out of bounds terrain the best, can't get far enough from that bubble infrastructure, but again, thinner base & lots of vines in some areas.
     
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    3 of us arrive late at CTS (6.30pm plane lands) and are going to Tomamu. Can’t seem to find any bus options (all go early/lunch) and train has change which isn’t ideal with 70yr old dad and all skis etc. any ideas of cost of taxi/private transfer roughly. Making a train vs taxi vs easy life vs cost decision
     
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    https://www.samuraisnow.com/furano-skystation-private-transfer

    Your other option is the Airport Hotel overnight and depart in the morning.
     
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    Agree. Train shouldn't be a problem but if you don't want that, I'd just stay Chitose overnight or even Sapporo and go in the morning. That also allows for any airline delays.
     
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    Train is easy, quick and the change is 1 station away from the airport:

     
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    But 2 minute window at Minami-Chitose. 70 yo plus ski gear might be cutting it fine. Unless ist's same platform...too lazy to check
     
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    Quite likely the same platform.
    The changes work remarkably smoothly
     
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    @LDJ

    When we did the train change it was just a 5 metre walk to the other side of the platform. The biggest hassle is moving all your luggage across, but the connecting trains to the airport come quite frequently so if you miss one it's not long to wait for the next.

    p.s But leave yourself time between connections to catch the train up to Tomamu because those ones don't come very often and if you miss that you could be waiting a few hours.
     
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    And here are the bus options, https://www.access-n.jp/winter2018/en/skibus/tomamu_sahoro/ , which we've used as well. But the last bus is at 6.20pm.

    I will say the biggest pain in catching the train is on the way back down from Tomamu. You have to get your luggage up and over to the centre platform, and there's no lift, just stairs. Last time we did it with our family of two young kids we did four trips back and forth, so it was tiring.
     
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    Oh just thought of another option, car rental. You can do a one way car rental with Toyota and drop it off at the Towers in Tomamu. Easy drive most of the way on an expressway, but you will need to pay the road toll.

    P.S If you go this path you can get a discount using your Hertz Club card.
     
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    As always the forum is a fountain of knowledge thanks for all the info team. Thanks @Born2ski, @Froff Life @Heinz, @tonestar @LMB Will give dad the option of train as number 1 with easy change and then look at car or taxi as option 2. We do first lift and after long trip would rather get to resort late the same night if at all possible.
     
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    Is Dad a skier and regular traveller?

    I know when I collected my olds (same age) at Chitose they were SO thankful just to have someone take their bags and lead them to a vehicle with a coffee and a snack in hand. The door to door direct service (of us collecting them) was about right. If they had to face a train after the flight without an overnight in the hotel I think we would’ve been pushing the friendship - especially with PBs Mum who is less fit and less travelled.

    The next day they were up for a sleep in, late breakfast, then a wander around the village. None are skiers, but mine are fit and well travelled.

    We went out for an hour or so first lifts, then met them at 10am for a late breakfast.
     
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    definitely Dad is a first to last lift even though he is 70. Train will be a push but he’ll do it to get extra skiing as it’s first trip to Japan for him from UK. I’m going to get a private quote transfer incase he decides train isn’t for him.
     
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    Yes, I do recall that Tomamu station did not have lift or escalators so you did have to carry gear up and down the stairs to get out. So you do need to take that into account. At least you will have time.
    Where are you staying in Tomamu? I don't know if there is a regular shuttle these days or if you need to arrange for the hotel to pick you up from the station.

    Re the trains - according to Hyperdia they run once an hour from Chitose.
     
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