Question Getting Kitted Up

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by DidSurfNowSki, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them
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    You guys in the BC section of the forums scare me. You really, really do. I've even been dragged out on the occasional trip to the back of some nice resorts, made to walk up hills, get a couple of turns in before having to walk back up again. As I'm huffing and puffing up the hills and trying to figure out what happened to the groomers you guys barely raise a sweat heading up and pick the most gnarliest path on the down.

    With the greatest trepidation, I'm asking what would be a decent setup for the following:
    • Freeriding off-piste out the back of the NSW resorts, the Main Range, Mt Hotham and Mt Bimberi
    • Need skis, bindings, poles, boots and skins
    • Just looking to daytrip, but gear needs to be suitable for overnighting
    • I'm 187cm tall, 99 Kgs in weight
    • High intermediate skier that doesn't mind skiing expert terrain
    • AT gear, not tele or XC
    • Simple to set up and use
    • It needs to be reliable
    • Happy to spend a few dollars on the right setup, not interested in gear that won't cut the mustard, nor interested in spending ridiculous amounts on top end gear
    • My current alpine skis are Volkl RTM 84s which go surprisingly well in thigh deep pow
    • Not in any rush to get the gear, so happy to source locally from a shop, online or when OS next
    Cheers, DSNS
     
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  2. piolet

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    If you're not in a rush, rent some dynafits and compatible boots. Then buy some (tech, whichever float your boat the most).
     
  3. cin

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    I just want my friggen jetpack!
     
  4. Zimbooo

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    This thread is silly.....just ask Kletterer. Finished.
     
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  5. Untele-whippet

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    Bimberi is a different kettle of fish.
     
  6. DidSurfNowSki

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    OK, back of Corin then.
     
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  8. skifree

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    @DidSurfNowSki I’ll put together some more thoughts when I have time & a keyboard.

    Quick thoughts are;

    The 1st rule is spend time on fitness, this is more beneficial than anything else.

    The 2nd rule Light is Right.

    3rd is layer clothing & be able to put pretty much all your clothes into your lightweight pack.

    4, wear sun screen.
     
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  10. DidSurfNowSki

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    Yes

    No
     
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  11. Whatever really

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    6: Muesli and cliff bars.
     
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    It is criminal that Cliff no longer do the Curry Bar.
     
  13. Untele-whippet

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    Snow play racist!
     
  14. Tanuki

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    Over the last two years I've slowly built my kit for exactly what you've described plus hopefully overnighters soon.
    As said above, and to repeat the mantra, layers, quality base and mid layers and as far as possible goretex or equivalent for breathability. For cheap but good base layers and a reasonable down puffer go to Uniqlo.

    I've approached my purchases with an eye on price, durability and functionality. Both my skis are new but from previous seasons so I got them cheap(ish) i.e 50-60% off.

    1. Line Prophet & 2. Blizzard Scout - Blizzard's are heavy by some standards but that's ok for how I use them (I'm transitioning from snowboarding.

    I've got Marker AT bindings on both and G3 Alpinist skins cut for both.

    I've found the bindings simple to use, durable and reliable, same with the skins though they take some care.

    I've got three packs, one 19L for resort, 30L for day trips and a 50L for overnight. the cheapest, quality 50L I could find was a Jack Wolfskin imported from England.

    All my gear, other skis, boots and pants doubles as bushwalking gear as well.



    As I'm a
     
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  15. Dave6

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    I am going through the same process so will be watching this thread with interest.
     
  16. LMB

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    Also considering buying a split board setup. Anyone wanna weigh in? @Chondro ?
     
  17. Gimp

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    7. No selfies in the BC just MOTBC
     
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    6. Scotch
     
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    Will you retain a separate resort kit?
     
  20. Telemark Phat

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    You get around to having a shave @at-whippet?
     
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  21. Telemark Phat

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    Start here
     
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  22. Chondro

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    LOVE my split. and thats an understatement.
    Makes BC access so much easier. Nate who came with me to japan is far fitter than me, He was in alot more pain hiking on snowshoes than i was on the split.
    Rides like a normal board. Only thing i can say is try to go something lightweight. Cut weight wherever you can. Love my spark bindings and the jones boards. Anything commercial done i think is better when it comes to splits
     
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  23. telecrag

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    means to strap your skis to your bike (better than A framing them on a bag). This will give you more access to spring skiing in the MR, and is often needed to access the Brindies. I havent skied the Brindies in getting on 10 years now.
     
  24. Snow Blowey

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    COntrary to popular belief you will spend most of your time on firm snow. Light is right. Don't go too wide unless you are prepared to carry the associated weight (wider skis need wider skins = more weight).
     
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  25. telecrag

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    Wont be a problem after my new helium infused carbon core ski range hits the market!
     
  26. Snow Blowey

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    My "hot air" skier range is even more effective. I'm full of it!
     
  27. telecrag

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    Its the unobtainium top sheet thats holding back release.
     
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  28. Fozzie Bear

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    Go straight to Dynafit/Tech. You will end up there in the long run and waste many $$$$ on gear that is beefier than you need. Out of bounds is about the up. Don't make it harder than it needs be.

    And this:

     
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  29. telecrag

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    See a lot of Kingpins out and about these days, reason?
     
  30. skifree

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    Marketing and erroneous understanding that 20 years of lightweight tech binding experience has been wasted.

    Modern light weight tech bindings are reliable and strong enough for most of us. If you huck 100M verticals then maybe the Kingpin is for you. If you don't why carry the extra weight?
     
  31. telecrag

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    Ive seen what Jen does on Dynafiddles, there is no problem for sure. I was wondering if it was price driven.
     
  32. Snow Blowey

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    Who is "Dynafiddles" and how can i get Jen to do it to me?
     
  33. Team Weasel

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    This is all you need.

    Marketing success story. Even if you want/need that class of binding, there were better options around when it first came out (Beast, ATK Freeraiders). And now there are even better options (eg.Tecton). Still, plenty of folks bought in as soon as they saw something like an alpine heel, despite the fact that they are heavy and have reported toe pin failure issues.
     
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  34. climberman

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    Also, wide skis with touring boots (often a bit softer, less control) can be a pain in the proverbial, more for the up / traverse than the down.

    As SB says, continuous or high frequency hard snownis common. Acres of fluff is not a common Oz experience!
     
  35. climberman

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    True
     
  36. DidSurfNowSki

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    Yep
     
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  37. piolet

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    Tech of some variation for sure
     
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    Makes it easier as you aren’t wanting two tasks.

    Go tech compatible boots and tech bindings.
     
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  39. CarveMan

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    Some excellent advice in this thread :thumbs:

    I can't emphasise enough about light being right, nor what's possible on a light pin rig.

    Unfortunately it's impossible to convince most people that the heavier gear is not necessary, so don't be one of those guys.
     
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  40. telecrag

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    ^that guy can help you with purchases too!

    Phil at Straightline is working on taking over from Andy when he dies as the best bootfitter, so we have someone local for that. He is a friend, but I hear good things, though as a tele we just grit our teeth.
     
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    Not yet mentioned, but all backcountry skiers sport a pair of knickerbockers, and a funny hat.
     
  42. DidSurfNowSki

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    I’ve been exposed to the funny hats, but....

    Oh never mind!
     
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    Yup
     
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  45. Team Weasel

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    True dat, but I feel like it can be hard to know what's too little or too much. In the past couple of years I've skied across the AT/tech binding weight spectrum, from rando race rigs to freeride fatties, and may have learnt some things the hard way.

    I think that people see skis/boots/bindings maybe half a kilo lighter than their resort setup and figure that is light. But that's the wrong comparison to be making, and you can suffer a lot in learning that.

    A classic or standard touring setup (presently) weighs about 6-7kg total. For example, a random selection could be:

    K2 Wayback 88 ski
    G3 Ion 12 binding
    Scarpa F1 boot

    That would be a rig that would be more than capable for the vast majority of BC skiers in Oz conditions - meadow skipping, steeps, a bit of hucking, whatever. There's plenty of variety out there if you want a different brand/colour/feature. And thanks to new tech and design, weight is going down across the board ever year.

    If you go lighter, you're looking at going longer distances, skimo type descents, fitness touring...and accepting less performance on the way down.

    The OP mentioned 'freeride', which is going the opposite direction - embracing a bit more than the 6-7kg mark for greater downhill performance, which is where I've gravitated towards lately. And that's cool...but I still actively critique how much junk I need on my feet to have a good time in the mountains.
     
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    Hands up I fall into this category CM.
    Old dogs or something something ....
    Fear of injury or whatever , just feel better going harder in the F 12 light frame / AT generation.

    I have G3 ION on a pair of Voille V6 for couple of years now.
    No dramas.
    Perfect rig for day tripping out on the main range etc.
    Light is right for sure.
    Mental issue having confidence in them going flat biccy bombing tree lines etc.
    Maybe need give them a work out closer to home this winter see how they fare in the trees and learn to trust the release.

    I have an in-between rig that I ride in resort then duck out the slack / side / back for few hours spontaneous skin laps....
    This where the Tour 12's come into my headspace as valid option for the "Freeriding" requirement.
    I took this rig to Japow just now , not focussed on the uphill tho more so dodging trees ( not always !!!) bumps and lift assisted boot pack / short skin deeper stuff.
    Works for peace of mind that you can venture bit wider and longer and know you can throw the skins on get your butt home.

    So I subscribe to the quiver.
    Lighter AT / Frame type for ducking OOB , short trips to Paralyser , back of Perisher etc.
    G3 ION / Tech for the longer days across the dam and serious up.

    Think it applies to DSNS OP knowing his similiar territory in Oz...

    My 2 bob fwiw
    Works for me.
     
  47. piolet

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    I'm a fat carnt, heavy on gear. I ski as delicately as a hippopotamus but dynafits hold up no problemo

    Do it.
     
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    Interesting perspectives
    The G3 ion 12 is almost 600 grams per binding. That’s not light in touring world IMO.

    Edit: the basic but perfectly functional Speed Turn is ~720gm. A pair

    If actual safety performance is the issue, the ugly but effective Fritchi Tecton is la smidge lighter and has good measured release capability.
     
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  50. zac150

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    He has to earn the beard,
     
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