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Question Getting Kitted Up

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by DidSurfNowSki, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. Team Weasel

    Team Weasel One of Us

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    I've got the other two sizes (85 and 108) - I'd say that the 108 is universally considered the best of the family. I skied it all last season and it was awesome. Could handle anything in Oz, but a tad on the heavier side for touring skis.

    I'll have some new toys for this season...will wait till they're in my hot little hands before posting :thumbs:
     
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  2. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    For some reason, this post has made my day
    Looks excellent!
    Would bang
     
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  3. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Would your choice be the same for a dedicated BC rig?
     
  4. Team Weasel

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    That's my most used setup from last winter. It's a bit heavier than the ZG95 and 85, but it didn't stop me from racking up a few ks. Would endorse wholeheartedly as a brilliant all-round touring ski with a preference for going fast / being ridden in an energetic style. As all the reviews say, not a ski for mellow cruising.
     
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  5. DPS Driver

    DPS Driver One of Us

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    Not bad but on the wrong brand of ski;)
     
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  6. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    lel
     
  7. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    What size hoof. I have a pair of Scarpa Maestrael (28.5 IIRC) that are surplus
     
  8. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks, but my hoof size is slightly bigger.
     
  9. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Nice rig.

    But I am mindful that @DidSurfNowSki is probably looking to improve his efficiency in getting out and up the hills and therefore energy input as a priority. :cool: Hence starting to focus on a dedicated BC rig with this in mind after a couple of BC excursions over the last couple of seasons and chatting to BC folk here and in the flesh. But I could be wrong with these assumptions as well.:)
     
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  10. hongomania

    hongomania One of Us Ski Pass: 30 Day

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    Why the beasts? They are too heavy. Get superlite 2.0. Sure they don't release smoothly and can be a pain to get on sometimes; but worth it for the weight saving. Less weight = a much more enjoyable and less physically taxing experience skinning - which is what you will be doing 99.7% of the time

    Plus if you are an intermediate skiier with limited BC experience why do you need a binding with lateral release etc - take it slower and #instructorturn; enjoy that downhill you've worked so hard for. Once you get more experience with reading terrain, understanding risks etc then charge hard - this can still be done even on an almost skimo setup
     
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  11. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    The rig needs to be able to do a bit of resort skiing, plus allow me to tag along with the BC crowd out of Perisher/Thredbo. I'm trying to pull together a rig that is the best bang for buck while not going too el cheapo. Being 6'2" tall and 100 kg, the best performance gain is to get fitter and lose (more) weight.
     
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  12. Team Weasel

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    They're not Beasts.

    The ZG95 and Radical setup shown above sounds perfect. There's always folks who will say too heavy or too light, and weigh in with their favorite brands. Something middle of the road in weight is fine until you figure out: a) that you like touring and b) what style of descent you prefer.

    Good time to shop - lots of skis and bindings on sale in Europe now (eg Sport Conrad).
     
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  13. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Getting close to pulling the trigger on some gear. Lots of input from very knowledgeable people. Where I'm at:

    Skis
    85/95/105 mm waist width ... Generalizing the width of skis the narrower skis are the lightest and best on going uphill. The widest skis ski the pow the best. I'm 100kgs in weight, so ~95mm waist width
    Height... I'm 187cm tall so will go with ~185cm ski height
    Brand... What a minefield ! The easiest solution is to go to a reputable shop and buy one, but where's the fun in that? Lot's of choice here. K2 Waybacks, DPS, Dynafit Meteorites... I do like the specs of the Blizzard Zero Gs, they are heavily discounted overseas but are listed full price in Oz. Blizzard gear, however, can't be directly shipped here using an online shop. You need to use a freight forwarder and that adds significantly to the cost.

    Bindings
    Tech pin bindings. I like the specs of the Salomon's MTN + Brake Alpine Touring Binding. They again are heavily discounted overseas but Salomon don't allow the online shops to ship these to Oz. Additionally I understand that the Oz distributor doesn't stock these bindings.

    ION G3s look great, however the older versions have issues with the rear pins having some play in them. My 2 current alpine skis have very loose bindings, so the potential of loose pins is a turnoff for me (rightly or wrongly).

    Atomic Backland Tour Bindings 2018 are heavily discounted overseas at the moment and don't have the import restrictions as far as I can see. Light is right yeah ?

    Poles
    The carbon skis from Black Diamond look great, but again not available from the Oz distributor. Plenty of equivalents around though. I have bent my aluminum alpine poles many times and there's a risk of snapping a carbon pole. Probably better to go aluminum, eg a nice set of Leki Hate Rout poles.

    Skins
    Too many to choose from! Also need a specific cutting tool to trim to size.

    Boots
    The only thing I won't even consider buying from an online shop. Not tied to any brand, it'll be what fits best in a shop on the day. Will probably get a foot bed in this pair. Current options are:
    - Harros at Lake Crackenback resort (when he gets back from Japow)
    - Phil at Straightline (new boots come in at the end of the month)
    - Rhythm in Cooma

    If I get the components, someone not me needs to assemble them together!

    Seriously, it's a lot easier to get everything as a package!
     
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  14. Slowman

    Slowman One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Have a look at freeze pro shop. UK based. They ship a lot by airmail which can save a bit and do not charge VAT on exports. Sport Conrad in Germany is similar. They also seem to be able to ship more brands.

    Try to avoid mounting any pin bindings until you have your boots. With pin bindings you may need to have the toe piece a tiny bit off centre to ensure the heel lines up correctly. The DIY instructions on Wildsnow discuss how to do this.
     
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  15. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    How well do you know Phil? He is a very good skier, and knows his shit. He is a recent convert to touring, and is probably helping drive them bringing more in. Good chance he could sort a full setup at a decent price. Also up and coming as a top boot fitter.

    With skins, I just used a stanley knife, no wuckers!
     
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  16. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Did skifit + beers afterwards with him last year. Straightline just doesn't stock the seriously light touring skis and bindings advocated on here. Wasn't that pleased with me when I said I'd pop in just for some boots and get the rest of the gear elsewhere, but it's my coin so I get to choose how I spend it.
     
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  17. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I thought they were going to get some in for this season?
     
  18. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    They're definitely getting boots in, not too sure about the rest.
     
  19. skifree

    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Go to Italy and ski at Cervina for a couple of weeks, they are open until the end of April. There is a little shop there that will sell / mount your kit. What was it called @Telemark Phat ?

    I would not get too hung about ski width in relation to your weight. 95% of the time is spent pushing those skis forward with your muscle power, every mm off the width makes this easier. Your could easily drop back to 85 or even 80 as a waist, but look for as little shape or carve as as possible.
     
  20. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well I do have some time left on my Austrian ski pass ... :rolleyes:
     
  21. Hermannator

    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Pellissier Sports down in Valtournenche for touring stuff. Shops in Cervinia itself not BC focussed in my experience.
     
  22. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    http://www.sportcenter.it/
     
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  23. DidSurfNowSki

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  24. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    And no time for Strudel.
     
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  25. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I like Austrian food, but the Italians do it better, not to mention the coffee.
     
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  26. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    aaaaw that cuts deep. My folks are South Tyrolian Austrians- best of both worlds.
     
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    skifree grey Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    You need the number of Fangio Mk II and his van who picked us at the Milan Airport and took us straight to Cervinia. He was an Olympic Ski Jumper in his younger days.
     
  28. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    I do make an exception for the Coffee in Vienna though. So civilised, rather than dash in, get your fix and dash out coffee culture in Italy. As a pastry chef in my former life I was blown away by the amazing quality of Viennese cakes, pastry and anything sweet.
     
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  29. DidSurfNowSki

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  30. oreo

    oreo One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I don’t recommend the BD ultralight skins based on durability. Usually skins last me years (many) of heavy use. But these didn’t even last me one season, during that time i had to dental floss sew them back together a few times (rips, especially at regular folding points) and the tip loop seemed to love to push snow under the skins at every opportunity.

    Sorry to be a party pooper on that. Every other BD skin I’ve ever had has been great. I went back to some bd mohair mix skins.
     
  31. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah, lots of issues being reported. Oh well, I've committed so we'll see how things go. Will trim and taper as per the BD recommendations to see how many days I get out of them.
     
  32. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I wouldn’t have the first clue if this translates to ski skins, but I got a pair of Spark Splitboard skins and the cutter was included. Not only did it work extremely well it had a little lifter piece that meant it lifted the very edge of the skin off the base just prior to cutting it making a perfect cut all the way top to tail.
     
  33. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    BD trim tool was a couple of dollars on eBay.
     
  34. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thought one came free with the skins :confused:
     
  35. DidSurfNowSki

    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Then I'll have a spare... for that 2nd set of skins I see in my future...
     
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    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just remember the cutter is for the skins you wear on your skis!

    People hate on the ones I use, and I expect they will fail, but I am not a heavy user, so they will probably last longer. They are easy to use, and grip like beejeezus. The 'glueless' ones, they have not slipped yet, even when soaking wet. But only one (occasional use) season so far.
     
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  37. telenomore

    telenomore One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Spend another penny and get the G3 cutter, best device in the skin universe. Designed to cut the skin to exactly expose the edge in one neat cut. Don't do it while drinking beer (for either cutter):)
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    That’s the same one included with my split skins - fantastic little idiot proof tool. Also included free with all G3 skins.
     
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    Do you have link to buy ?
    They about $5 from Backcountry.
    Mine is blunt af
    edit = Amazon also
     
  40. DidSurfNowSki

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    Nice boxes.
     
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  42. Telemark Phat

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    Its always fun when brown santa visits.
     
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    Zeroz A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I like this thread

    but "when brown santa visits" sounds like a euphemism for something unspeakable.
     
  44. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yank slang.

    the UPS courier man wears brown and delivers presents, hence Brown Santa

    [​IMG]
     
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    There go the gnomes!
     
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    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Don't stab the gnomes.
     
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    Marty_McSly What a plonker. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Still makes me think of Mr Hanky...
     
  49. DidSurfNowSki

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    1 more week until Santa is due to drop off the planks.

    Harro’s opens on the June long weekend, can I wait that long for boots???
     
  50. skifree

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    Patience grasshopper.
     
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