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Question Getting started in the backcountry

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by irrgent, May 10, 2020.

  1. PAW

    PAW Hard Yards Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks for sharing!
    This is change from the last few years. Muche better than having to do it in person.
    Looks like after you fill out the first page, you can give the PLB beacon details.

    BUT, if you are borrowing a beacon from NPWS you still need to pick it up in person during business hours.

    I've been doing something equivalent through www.beacons.amsa.gov.au seeing that AMSA are where PLB and EPIRB registration details are logged. Through AMSA you can upload documents such as maps of your expected location etc.
     
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    Rimey One of Us

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    or a few sherbets over lunch.
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    The other thing I like about the beacons website is you can register vehicle details, and even photograph of your car and snow gear. You never know if it might help with a rescue one day!
     
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    Spence One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    As a newbie to BC skiing this thread had been really informative. But also a respite from the ‘politics’ thread, where I have been hanging out way too much. Not so much the last exchange. But thank you guys for all the great information and encouragement.
     
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  5. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    No! Suck it up, the world wasn't meant to be fair.

    To help you out, I can tune any ski easily for maximum grip on ice. If you send me your skis I will tune yours for you, no charge. This method is unique to me and works a treat. I guarantee you want lose an edge on ice ever again.
     
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  7. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    So the problem with a Whippet or Condor is that it's hard to get your weight over it and the spike in, it's long and awkward, the basket is prone to catching and it ends in a spike.
    It's great to beat off a yeti though.
     
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    Moondog55 One of Us

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    I keep telling myself I need to buy ski crampons, been doing so for almost 30 years and 25 ski seasons, my skiing life is almost over and I still haven't bought the damned ski crampons, I do however own 3 ice axes
     
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  9. climberman

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    quicker than getting your tool off your pack while sliding though :)
     
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  10. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    It ain't skiing if the axe ain't in hand!
     
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  11. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    In XC 101 we were taught to use our normal pole: orient the pole to the side or overhead as you start the slide, with one hand on the shaft at the basket and the other hand on the upper shaft with arms at right angles, jab the tip in. The skis are likely to stop you getting on your front with a bum first fall but with this you can twist around a bit. It doesn't have as much power as an ice axe but it's better than looking down the hill.
    Both poles are unlooped during a steep traverse.
     
  12. satanas

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    I like the idea of "no adrenalin" for solo trips, and no big lines. Those need to be saved for good conditions, with company. Having said that, I've done lots of solo trips and never had an issue, but one definitely needs to revise the difficulty level downwards.

    Ski crampons can be useful on long icy traverses, but proper boot crampons are way more useful, and can save both time and mental effort on steep climbs. I hate kicker skins as I find snow builds up under the stainless plate giving zero glide, but YMMV; narrower ones give less trouble.

    Whippets are useful on climbs, but are of doubtful value for self-arresting in steep, icy places. Sometimes they just bounce off; that's what happened with Graeme, plus steep, bulletproof and no runout. :-(

    There are some places and some conditions that need to be avoided, and Feathertop in firm conditions or with big cornices tops the list in Oz. Some places on Bogong and the west side of the Main Range could be bad news too. If in doubt, turn around or go elsewhere as you won't have any enjoyable skiing anyway. Ice by itself isn't necessarily dangerous, but this depends on the angle, how firm it is and the runout, or lack thereof. If the pole tips or crampon points won't penetrate without a struggle it's much better to be elsewhere(!).

    The OP didn't say where they are located, but there are a few clubs and people about who might be prepared to be helpful.
     
  13. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    BD changed the kickers material to the thinner mohair blend and didn't increase the arc of the clamp plate. That's why they scooped snow. You can bend it further yourself.
     
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    Ah yes.
    I love Zali's too.
     
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    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    For crowd control?
     
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    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    the snowmaking high traffic area blend + Sth aspect. :eek:
    only ever any good if you get it before it's shaved off. IMO.
    and also immediate feedback on how well you did tuning your edges. or not.
     
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    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Like the wall of death under Eagle Way at Threadbare
     
  18. irrgent

    irrgent Hard Yards

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    I'm located in Sydney, probably should have mentioned that in my first post. If there are any clubs or similar I could head out with that would be great.
     
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  19. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    There was a bloke on a Facebook BC group trying to setup a WhatsApp group yesterday.
     
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  20. satanas

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    There are a number of Sydney(-ish) based outdoor clubs whose activities include skiing, including Span, SBW, etc. NSW Nordic Ski Club & Canberra Cross Country Ski Club are much more ski focussed (obviously!). Please bear in mind that NSC's website is fairly crap, especially on mobile, and that it's currently unclear when/if/what activities might happen this winter due to COVID-19. At present things are on hold for NSC, and none of the clubs are putting any overnight activities on their calendars for the foreseeable future. Day trips resumed from today (for walking), but this obviously isn't practical for skiing from Sydney. Possible yes, practical or sensible, hell no!
     
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    Going back to the maps briefly, I think the LPI offering for Kosckiuszko NP is lacking. The 25k quads are just blow-ups derived from older 50k (Mount Kosciusko, Khancoban, Eucumbene) and offer no new details, terrain-wise: 20-metre contours, manually traced. The Sutmap contours are bit better but still at 20 metres for 1:40,000.

    Recently I made a Main Range map with 10-metre contours from 2m lidar:

    The detail is refreshing. Could be useful to some forumites.
     
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  22. climberman

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    Shamelessly downloaded immediately LOL
     
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    Fozzie Bear One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ditto :thumbs:
     
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    Is there 'one weird trick' for getting the .tif to be referenced correctly in Avenza?
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Dunno, but I can’t work it out on iPhone. It downloads via browser in Avenza, and then disappears.
     
  26. climberman

    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    I downloaded it to my 'puter and then airdropped it to my phone then moved it to the 'files' app and then opened it through Avenza from the Avenza app. Sound nuts but was about two minutes.
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Did a workaround. Downloaded on a tablet, uploaded to dropbox, went to avenza storage locations, loaded via dropbox.

    Probably an easier way, but not apparent to me...
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Very similar...
     
  29. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I can fix this but I need your log in details & bank account log in details to do it. Send them over, I’m super safe & lugitimate.
     
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    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Thanks @mholling it looks great. Always happy to look at any others you are happy to share.
     
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    mholling One of Us

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    Here are iOS instructions for Avenza importing
     
  32. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    NSW Nordic is pretty active but has just suspended activities this winter due to the virus.
     
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    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    wot he said :)
     
  34. ecowain

    ecowain One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Here's a question for you. Are you nswtopo on the avenza store? Good work if you are!
     
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    Yeah that's me! Bit of a self-taught mapping geek :)
     
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    That's not quite true. Nothing has started yet, apart from canning meetings and activities for the time being, some discussion and a newsletter. The club is hoping things will be possible at some point, but it all depends on how things progress and what the NSW government does about easing restrictions. (And I guess insurance too. Shudder.)
     
  37. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, I said suspended.
    This is the FB announcement...
    We are sorry and sad to announce that due to Covid 19, NSW Nordic Ski Club, has, in the interests of public health, and in accordance to restrictions in place, cancelled our meetings for 2020 and trips until further notice. We will continue to keep abreast of the situation and will update our position over the coming months.
     
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    malas1 Addicted Ski Pass: Silver

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    Following advice here I chose today's beautiful conditions to hike up from DHG with my skis. A lack of skill and fitness stopped me skiing the snowdrifts up top but enjoyed the panorama. Unfortunately payed the price coming down when I lost my way and ended up bushwacking through scrub from hell.
     
  39. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    DHG is good like that.

    Actually think it’s a bastard of an access but some days it’s all there is.
     
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    on the principle sweat freezes when stationary, seem to recall Ranulph Fiennes in his book Mind over Matter - the 1992 "furthest" crossing of the Antarctic continent saying they skiied and hauled 'chilled' - often down to base layers in the neg C conditions...the only time they warmed up was in the tent.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    i kinda like it, first access from vic side, kinda straight up, coupla hours walk

    just dont veer left on the downy bits
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe its just late and i feel like disagreeing with someone! I need to be careful eh?
     
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    Trouble is, don’t veer too far right either!
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not if everyone else has gone to bed. I trust you slept well.
     
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    Maybe not mr there’s a fire trail about 6km down olsens lookout rode that will take you up onto the greymare range. Could be a good option if you no the weather is going to be shit from Guthega etc.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    maybe not closest to vic @sidetrack, do you mean? i havent gone in that way, perhaps i should give it a go

    And yes @skifree, big sleep in, feeling more agreeable this morn! :)
     
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    I’ll drive
     
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    Has anyone used Montana skins?
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Years ago they were my first skins, second & third. They were good. But this is 20 years ago.
     
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    Not for 20 years!