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Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by VSG, Nov 9, 2010.
an idea by VSG.
Many years ago, (when dinosaurs roamed the earth), there were four ski lifts on the Mt Franklin - Ginini ridge.
Some info on them can be found in Matthew Higgins. Skis on the Brindabellas. Tabletop Press, 1994.
and that is a problem, because?
Compared to some hills... looks alright to me.
The old Topo maps used to show those lifts and ski runs.
Would be awesome, but how many days of this season could we see snow up there? It wasn't too many
Plenty of hills that just need snow.
If you had snowmaking on Ginini you could make a resort that would be better than Selwyn. Just need a compliant government, and probably a fair wack of taxpayer funds to get the infrastructure in.
Note my Gingera idea is all in NSW. Pity its KNP.
Comparing it to Buller?..
hey, afaict. You could lift your blinkers, and note that the hill, with adequate snowmaking on its southern and eastern slopes could sustain Buller like vertical and Buller like steeps. But, like most, you see what you want.
To have a little ski on your Mount Ginni I would have to catch two lifts to give me 300m of vertical. I can do that with one lift at Buller.
will I be able to ski here even though I don't have red hair?
Only rangas on Gingera. Ginger - ah.
Afaict hasn't picked up we are talking Gingera, not Ginini to the north.
Expansion always possible.
Why is it National Parks has a policy of grabbing every bit of Land above 1600m? There used to be private land at 1800m (leasehold) but it all got grabbed by National Parks. Could have had private land ski resorts in NSW, Could have had dog sledding, skidoo riding, could have shaped land to make perfect runs, but not now.
You can actually see Mt Gingera from Mt Selwyn. In fact you can see it from the tables next to the window in the cafeteria. And Gingera seriously towers over the landscape and is much more of a peak, not to mention 250m higher than Selwyn. Another really interesting thing about Gingera is that it kind looks the same both from the northern view (Cbr city) and the southern view (from Selwyn). Most mountains change shape from the reverse angle, but Ginge is still the long flat distinctive tabletop peak.
Alas, it's in a bit of a snow shadow relative to selwyn. That said, I'd love to see this resort, with chairs, snowmaking and poassibly a funicular railway and mini donut shop. Lets build it this summer, eh?
Sounds good Ramshead.
Some wider perspectives, taking your lead. It does sit tall and proud, higher than Buller, Falls and just ticks the same height as Hotham, I think.
Same deal. Two slow lifts to ski 300m vertical = waste of time.
Eastern facing slopes you say VSG...how much weather comes from the East? Or would you plan to open it all on snowmaking
Clown. Where did I say exclusively east facing?
North slopes offer something. Yes, with snowmaking.
Do you ever aspire to something greater, afaict? Do you dream?
You said "southern and eastern facing slopes that could sustain Buller-like vertical"
Look at Hotham - the whole hill faces east basically. Doesn't get the full sun in the afternoon, and is is the lee of the hill so it catches all the snow as it blows over.
VSG, I know we had a little stoush recently in the trhead in Culture vulture on richard's report, but this thread is some of yr finest work. particularly love the four images on prev page
BTW, the last two times i climbed the Ginge was boxing day both in 2006 and 2002. i know becasue both times i wrote "what's the cricket score in The Ashes?" in the hikers' book.
Think I might do a climb again this year. I live in Sydney, but am usually in Canberra at in-laws for Xmas. Perhaps a mass moosher climb is in order on Dec 26? Any others interested?
(Some of you Buller heads could come up and see what REAL mountain looks like!!!)
And Hotham is much further south, so at the same altitude, Hotham is a few degrees cooler.
Latitude is something people often forget in considering snow levels, but Mt Mawson resort near Hobart has a highest lifted point of under 1250 metres.
You are on!
Being in a snow/rain shadow... this can be good as you will have little rain destroying your snowmaking.
Back to the comment about little land over 1600m available as free hold.. there are a couple of pockets near to that elevation.
Yes VSG I have been scouting the maps over the years and there is a few pockets. Over the years though they have been gobbled up by NationalParks, which is a real pitty as I believe there should be some Freehold in Alpine regions for people to enjoy and live in. It would be nice to a have some true villages that are in the snow. It would be a great life style. I wish I had the money to buy some land.
It would be possible to have some freehold ski resorts. There people could take their dogs, do dog sledding, ride skidoos, set up well deigned terrain parks. Most of these blocks are in rainshadow areas but that is a plus as less damage will be done to your snowmaking. A few private resorts will add competition and possible reduce lift ticket prices at most resorts, so all the punters will win.
Snowy Plains, the area VSG has marked near Cesjacks, has been declared a wilderness buffer zone, and as such you could not carry out any commercial activity, or farming anymore. That was pretty much because they could not afford to resume it.
Which is good... as it's prime trout fishing country. Nimmo property, onwards.
Hey VSG great plan but some of us already ski these peaks. Skins do the job. But to TC, just to clarify, that is not the case at Snowy Plains. Not sure where that wilderness buffer zone myth comes from but there are no planning restrictions on the freehold or leasehold land at Snowy Plains. Farming, mate it is full on as ever out there. New huts, subdivisions. The planning is controlled by Snowy River Shire council and if you can get the DA past them, it will happen, and if not, go through the L and E court. Not that long ago they approved a wind farm!!! Hasnt been built I think for commercial reasons but could still happen, wilderness buffer or not.
Plenty of land at Snowy Plains that is over 1600 metres that gets a full season of snow, although definitely different snow depth to say, snow level further along the range at the same or similar altitude, due mostly to the fact it is on the extreme east of the range and therefore some rain shadow impact but I would be happy to be corrected on that.
Definitey off the thread but on that map VSG of Snowy Plains it indicates Mt Hudson, no doubt named after the first head of the Snowy Scheme, Sir William Hudson, but on most maps and colloquially it is Bald Hill?? First time I have seen it named as Mt Hudson.
Well spotted telenomore.
These guys put the map together as an intricate PDF, pretty much from scratch.
Cheers > http://www.khuts.org/index.php?option=co...d-gps&Itemid=85
Nice little trip report re Bald Hill, fr 1997. http://nordicskiclub.org.au/kag_arch/bald_hill_and_beyond.shtml
A bunch of fisherman with houses at Eucumbene Cove dreamt up a ski hill on Bald/Hudsons some years back. You would catch a dinghy to the inlet at the Hill's base... and take a series of rope tows to near the summit. Vis.
Gingera is too far out of the way anyway.
I thought it was all carp, but the mini donut shop has made me a believer. Do you have a Facebook group yet?
Mmm. I walk the Gungarlin to its source, often. from October through to June.. have been known to cop snow more than once. Camped. Snowy Plain is in a rain shadow.
Some insignificant hill a few kms to the west. But I wont make it easy for the peasants.
from memory there is a very rare mushroom between 1680 and 1720 metres and if you eat it you will think that there is monkeys clmbing up the gum trees....maybe just a rumour...but the government doesnt want to trust snow boarders with the mushrooms
It was the neighboring farmer, some dude from Sydney I think, pretty sure he has sold up. Those new subdivisions would be the old 1200acre blocks being sold. Havent been there in quite a few years, so yeah it was just rumour at the time, I assumed that as all the farmers seemed to be selling and breaking up their blocks, that the rumour had eventuated. Private dwellings were going to be permissible.
At the edge of VSGs area
Bit further in
I think 1981 was the high point for thinking about a Bald Hill commercial resort. 1982 quickly shut it down I think they wanted to go from Braemar rather than Eucumbene Cove though. I always thought that the Nimmo property and Nimmo plain was the large frost hollow on the Eucumbene below the dam ? In fact I rooly reckon it is.
Not all the land in the pocket of the Gungarlin and up to Bald Hill is freehold, quite a bit is perpetual leasehold.
I have read that one of the reasons it wasn't incorporated into the Park was that the Ash stands were to be left as available for rifle stocks (the Defence theory). I reckon it was a political to leave some high country releif grazing. Nice area.
I've skied off Bald Hill in each direction too. Some nice tree skiing in the right conditions.
Did you read the TR in my earlier post? .... good work CMan.
Just had a read. Nice. You can't park that far now, the gate has been moved towards the cove a bit. Funny comment about the Thredbo landslide... the geology at Eucumbene is so vastly different to Thredbo. There is basically about 2.2mm of soil then shattered shales ! All the footings to my folks house were dug by hand with a crowbar and pick. Glad I was only a tacker !
For aspiring day trippers to Bald Hill, it really is good to combine a ski with a pushie ride past the gate unless you have had recent low level dumpage. From Bald hill to Euc Cove is around 20km of almost entirely down hill.
Gunna get out there this summer VSG ? A few of the boys in my club like it too. I fished d/s from the Nimmo road crossing to the Hydro intake below the big gorge over three days last year. Luverly. Must try to go upstream this year.
Mate... the Gungarlin is close to heaven. Fishing the Nungar up around Tant. mtn is nearly as good.
Thredbo river is a suburban mosh pit by comparison. Love the light gear, the 500g to 1kg rainbows......
Or you could buy this
which is freehold, for sale, S-SE facing and looks like it peaks out at just over 1500m, with access over the back near to 1700m in the Yaouk Bill range.
Is that the bloke's place who sat in a tower for months, then got hauled down? protesting?
I have been eyeing off all these region for years....alas I have no money.. I would love to get a high land and build a ski skope with my snowguns.... dreams on.... :0
This thread got my inspired to come up with my own 'ski hill' or mini resort.. A lot of perisher regulars might know the mountain im speaking of when your traveling up the painfully slow ridge chair after waiting for 45minutes in a line full of people pushing in.. Anyway every time I'd go up I would look to the right at a mountain which I always wanted to explore.. After looking at maps It seemed pretty accessible with roads already in place so I came up with this when I was very bored at tafe:
*Note this is probably very inaccurate but I wanted to give it a shot.