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Discussion in 'Systems & Events' started by Ubiquitous Steve, Dec 28, 2019.
you mean like the ADF?
Now here is an idea from another post
Not combative. No fireshed politics. Pointing out where you are wrong. But your assumption is that everything that happens in your little corner happens everywhere. Arm yourself with knowledge before your pronounce ways to solve problems.
Last week, wasn't it just aircraft - flood the country with aircraft - that'll fix it.?
What assumptions are you referring too ?
This was my original post ....
Fires such as these show the great failing of our fire fighting application .... lack of resources to actually put fires out in a timely manner.
This was yours .....
*mod note* Take it to the politics thread. Or the rebuild thread, or create a separate thread for future actions in an appropriate part of the forum
There are a whole lot of things that could be done better.....so we have all been getting buy up till now.....but the fire seasons have gone troppo!We need to rack our brains and come up with better practices.....we may not be able to stop ignitions after 15mins on very bad days because of the remote locations or because multiple ignitions have occurred.But ....we need to respond quickly.If those fire trails are a jungle.....forget it......Team Bears have witnessed the fire trails around Mt Bogong in past seasons as a jumble of fallen trees!The fire season is not the time to prepare access for first attack dozers!!We have become complacement and slack .....some past practices have been abandoned unfortunately.
Yes, in Vic we used to have a fantastic network of forest roads - there weren't many places other than in National Parks, where their wasn't a road within 2 km. But (probably through lack of funding) these roads haven't been maintained. They did allow access to most places where fires started. But no more.
We await submissions from al the
Fires such as these really show us that we have no idea really, and lots to learn.
Here we go again with the latest Himawari at 4.47 PM. It seems to be updated in real-time. See the timestamp below. Add 11 hrs to UTC time for AEST.
Nice reading about all the various entities and locals working together
Similar cooperation in NSW which I alluded to previously
Fire retardant cruise missiles.
C5 galaxy fire bombers.
At one point we had 103 vehicles between my place and the Green Valley fire ,all lined up using the natural defensive topography to best advantage and all they could do was fend it off , the beast had momentum so nothing was stopping it that day.
Only the sea stops wildfire with a strong hot wind behind It.
Gotta get on it hard fast and early.
Some more danger days coming up.
Emergency warning for Bendoc.... it’s starting to ramp up again.
Just saw this image posted by Space Science on Twitter - showing the fires burning today across SE Aus. Actually more fire in the bush in SE Aus than I thought there would still be. Can see that Adaminaby fire moving north as well:
Which serves as a deterrent.
You reckon if we line up 100 aircraft we could scare the fires away?
Grass fire ,not much to worry about. Tree burning from the inside fell and ignited the grass. Next report will state under control , its in an area that has already burnt once just east of Maragle Mountain. Tooma and East Ournie brigades attending.
However this highlights the problems of opening some roads up in what some people might consider "safe" areas ,they are not always as safe as you might think.
Koala alert !!
no but the paid for resource could be used in times of need.
Seems to be a decent fire between Smythesdale & Scarsdale (nr Ballarat). Well, they're pouring resources on to it.
another area I visited a few weeks ago, checking out the rail trail for a future visit
On final to pickup water of Lake Jindabyne.
Been watching 4 of them do laps all day.
A few burnt leaves and ash falling in the pool this evening. Travelling a fair way before falling.
I reckon there's a roll for a drone fleet early detection and extinguishing
Fire at Cape Conran, heading towards Marlo, not directly threatening it as of yet.
Several fires on far south NSW coast have sparked up around Tantawangalo and 2 others around Michelago and Bredbo. I am keeping an eye to the east of me just for those at the top of the hill and beyond. Currently 40.7c ,wind strong and gusty from the NW.
VFA have been conducting fish quality assessments recently and have reported that Bemm, Tambo and Snowy rivers are in good health with plenty of fish and in good condition. That's a bit of a relief for those areas.
Hopefully no big rain event on the horizon, just lots of small ones.
They've already had some significant rainfall (for summer) in a lot of those areas, so im pretty happy with their results. Fishing in the lakes has been good too, so there cant be too much ash getting deposited down there.
So over the weekend, had a mate go fishing on the Mitta River (near Joker Campground). The Omeo Valley Hwy is open but the Alpine NP is closed in that area. He got spoken to by someone in hi vis stating that no recreational activities or camping or stopping is permitted between Omeo and Big River Bridge... seems strange the road is open though the area but you can't stop. Any Intel @Xplora?
Tell em to get stuffed.
Novel way of keeping people out of your favorite fishing spot
In NSW there are a lot of restrictions, even in areas where roads and trails are open. They are outlined in the NSW national parks website, eg for the Snowy Mountains Highway, you must "stay within the road corridor" etc. Maybe something similar is in force there?
Plenty of informal hiding camps along there at least
According to the Parks website they've shut about half the state, for no real reason that I can see.
Half the closed area isn't even National Park, and of the half that is, less than half would be actually burnt areas.
Presumably they've closed some areas based on not wanting to have to worry about having visitors in there if the shit his the fan. Some bias towards giving access to the most popular towns/villages.
People have camped there and no sign was displayed to indicate it was closed. During the other fire there was a sign at Big River Campground and none this time. We went down to Joker three times last week and did see a DELWP car come out just before we drove in once. Others were down there fishing on Saturday afternoon. Could have been your friends, they looked like Bogans!! Even had their dog with them.
This could work but you may be unlucky enough to tell someone who actually has the authority to prosecute and is keen enough to do so based on a belligerent attitude. Most don't have the authority. At least the dunnies there were clean and had plenty of toilet paper (from lack of use). That would have made a particular person in the Bundar happy. With the fire now listed as contained, I don't see any good reason not to open up the area, apart from those areas which still have machinery clearing trees but throwing a blanket over areas is easier and less confusing. Some common sense enforcing it would be better. I was told that BHP road was not a priority so it may not be open for a while but also noticed crews working up there (here it on UHF).
This is true and PV rarely go down to them. Consequently these areas are getting trashed and people are opening up more tracks. We are trying to get some action to prevent further damage and contamination of the river and it may be that some of these areas are blocked off in the future. People are their own enemies. At the moment the goal is to have PV staff educate campers to not set up within 20m of the water and put their toilet tents and fires further away.
Go into any 4x4/high country FB group and you'll see plenty of examples of good and bad people in the high country and national parks. I dont have a solution, but too many ruin it for others. The Police would be well served to set up some breath testing road blocks the 'morning after' on the routes out of the high country targeting people who got sloshed the night before and trashed the place, that would probably be one of the best deterrents (large fine + loss of license would hurt people in 4wds wanting to go into the high country).
As much as I previously loved those little informal camps in the nineties and naughties there are way too many people up there these days trashing the place as you say.
The deer have farked it royally too since the 03 fires.
Just an update. Sign up now but none at Big River Campground. Didn't go as far as Anglers Rest or CRB. Seems it would have been the wrong bloke to ignore after speaking with some locals who were told off also. The Area Chief Ranger was out and about so hence the sign now.
Sky crane just returning to Moorabbin.
Followed by another little one. Wonder they’ve come from.
there were thunderstorms up here and a few strikes not far from home that came up on the app. I'm guessing there were others further afield too. (local ones are safe & contained)
This is a much better picture. Better than all the reds and blacks we had a month ago.
It looks like we are getting our best rainfall in 30 years now so hopefully the fires will be sorted out in most areas.
I don't think the high rain fall extends to Vic. Much of the state is still very dry and bushfire season still has quite a while to run.
I just checked the weather, you are correct, hopefully you will get your turn soon. A friend was telling me how much rain they are getting in Jindabyne and I was hoping it would have extended further south.
How's it going up there?
He's the 4-6am type of guy, don't expect a response anytime soon
Caught any fish lately @Xplora ?
I'm a bit late. Internet has not been working this morning very well. Probably due to the weather - Rain!! Not heavy, but consistent. On fishing, had a fantastic session a few days ago. Lots of dry fly action and some good size. There is not enough heavy rain to muddy the waters so a covert fishing trip would definitely be worth it. River levels are low and temps have been rising but that should change with this current weather system.
Went for a walk up Kellys track yesterday and it is now 2 lanes wide for most of it. An unbelievable and unnecessary mess which is going to wash down hill. So many trees pushed over and many were leaning away from the track. The dozer has gone all the way to the aqueduct but we did not venture that far. Speaking to the dozer driver the other day and he said one operator got the sack for doing the wrong thing which could well be the unnecessary widening of the track and felling of trees. This guy did say that it will be a better ski down this winter with a bit more room to turn on the track. He mentioned they also went to Fitzgeralds hut but not Kellys. Hoping they did not take too many snowgums. Some people see the dead limbs from the fire and not the regrowth below then think the tree is a hazard. Fitzgeralds Road looks like the fringe of a logging coupe. More unnecessary work and the road itself has been cut up by the machinery. DELWP have buggered off and are probably making a mess in the Bundar. Hopefully they work on the track out to Cess' bus and Smith's crossing.
Unable to say when the park will open. Not much work will get done now due to the rain. I will make some calls to those in the know to see what is happening. It could be hard to reach people so it may take some time to get a response.