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Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by despot721, May 26, 2019.
The numbers for it are rubbery. They've been inflated.
We"d give @CarveMan naming rights for 10 years. ..
People will fly in from all over the world to see our feral horses .
Seems like a rubbery plan to me.
Every year would be a Goodyear.
You'll have to compromise for steel belted lay ups im afraid
I am going to have to look back through this thread to make sure this was not an April Fools Joke.
Don't get me started. At least our major cities have public transport. Shame the people who use it have no respect for it or other passengers.
I am pretty sure you can get a transfer with one of the local shuttle services.
What's wrong with a little completely unfounded optimism?
Been a handful of years since I investigated a shuttle / bus service from Canberra Airport to Jindy. The only economical options departed only once a day. If your flight didn’t align then many many hours wait. I had to hire a car last time, even though I didn’t need one once in Jindy staying with friends.
While there are exceptions, I have great experiences (or at least, predictably banal experiences) with PT hundreds of times a year.
Point taken that not all people who use PT are disrespectful.
After using trains in Japan my mogul skier used trains in Melbourne and was absolutely horrified.
I worked for State Rail in NSW.......There have even been deaths due to the appalling behaviour of some people.
some useful info here
They seem to have an advantage compared to digging up huge amounts of road.
Sadly not. It is part of a grand announcement by Barilaro about making Jindabyne the southern hemisphere Aspen...
I’d go on and on and on but I’m in the game and the agency I am in the game with has partnered a project with a high profile stakeholder and it’d be inappropriate to comment with full and frank views.
The passage of time has not made that notion seem less crazy.
The notion of Aspen seems crazy to me, Queenstown perhaps a little closer to the mark. I do think Jindabyne is and will continue to move well beyond a country town that services skiing and has potential (if you wanted that potential realised - I quite liked the old staying/living in a country town with skiing thing) to pull a bunch of things together to create a great place to visit year round. There is no where in Australia that pulls together the scope of skiing, mtn biking, hiking etc in an mountain/alpine environment with a lake big enough and summer warm enough to allow for a large range of water activities as well with it all in close proximity to each other. Very unique within Australia, but that does not necessarily mean pursuing it to the extent that it is is a good thing for all.
Just pondering and don't expect you to have an answer, but someone might know. How does Falls Creek compare? Our club used to have far more summer bookings at the Falls Creek lodge than at the Thredbo lodge. And what ever happened to the altitude training at Falls Creek. Have not heard anything about that for a long time.
Not so much Jindabyne, but Thredbo is pretty busy at times other than winter.
No answer, but my thoughts would simply be scale. Falls has all the same ingredients but less scope for water activity during summer due to size of lake and weather and skiing on a notably smaller scale, but it still has the capability to link into the off mtn towns in the same way as Jindabyne/Thredbo so could still do a similar thing for sure you'd think.
I suspect it might be the people on the RMB. (That's the Resort Management Board for people north of the border, it's the government bureaucracy that manages the resort. All Victorian ski resorts are outside parks.)
Previous RMBs were very keen on the summer hiking market and especially the altitude training thing. They spent a lot of time persuading athletes, footballers, rowers, etc. to do summer training there and they had some success, particularly in the months before summer Olympics. They liaised with lodges that had pools, apparently guaranteed that a certain number of restaurants, pubs, and cafes would be open, etc. They also built a 45 km network of walking / jogging / bike tracks beyond the ski runs but within the resort boundaries which connected to more tracks in the adjoining park. There were plans for Australia's highest 50 metre pool and other developments to appeal to the altitude training market.
Then mention of all this just slowly went away. That's a shame because Falls is significantly higher than Thredbo, the terrain is much more suited to things like extended runs and it has a fairly big 250 hectare lake. Plus it has over 5000 beds in the ski village with all the associated infrastructure. Of all the ski resorts in Australia, Falls has by far the most potential to become an altitude training centre.
You can't just imagine those angry "locals" when they read this, oh scratch that ... they'd have to be able to read
Here's something that none have discussed which is cost effective from a construction perspective. Would require some land reclamation or deal with the land owners as it wouldn't interfere too much with their property. It's a trend which is growing globally and one I'm involved with from a work perspective. Cableways.
The longest in the world is in Bolivia which stretches approx 30klm. If you had a choice to ride a cable car from Jindy to Bullocks flat and then to Thredbo would you do it?
That's a lot of air time! Just remember, Windy Jindy.
There's a serious proposal to build a 9 km, $60 million gondola in Tassie to replace the dusty road connecting Dove Lake at Cradle Mountain with the outside world which carries 250,000 people per year.
While that's okay for Cradle Mountain, it wouldn't work for Jindabyne to Thredbo because no gondola in the world goes much faster than 5.2 metres a second (20 kmh). Aerial trams (aka cable cars) can go slightly faster, but have longer loading times to pack a couple of dozen people in and there are much longer wait times between cabins, so the effective speed from boarding to disembarking is about the same. Both gondolas and aerial trams are far too slow to replace a fairly fast road.
So it might work at ski resorts where a cable way could go directly up a mountain while the road zig zags up a steep slope, (like Ben Lomond or Buller), but not on the relatively straight road from Jindy to Friday Flat or even just Bollocks Flat.
While cable cars etc are pie in the sky, the Jackson and Snowbird trams (and lots of Euro cable cars) shift a tad more than a couple of dozen. Try 120+.
I wonder if any info is available from Japan. Cannot remember the name of the top of my head but south of Toyama thete is an area that can only be accessed by cable car. Maybe Kurobe Dam as well. But it is where you see the pics of people in coaches with the big snow wall behind them.
You do have the same issue as rail though, in that it has to be stand alone economically. No subsidizing from other use like roads. The cross subsidising is the main thing that makes it impossible for rail to compete with road.
Yep, but they still only go 6-ish metres a second (below 25 kmh) and big cabins take a fairly long time to load and unload. Plus there's a wait of many minutes between cabins.
So (from memory) a gondola with 8 or 10 people per cabin traveling at 5-ish m/s with spacing of 15 seconds between cabins is effectively a fair bit faster for passengers than a hulking great aerial tram that goes slightly faster once it is moving.
The main advantage of aerial trams is that they can have vast distances between towers, while gondolas need the rope to be propped up by a tower every hundred+ metres or so. My personal thoughts are that gondolas (and funitels) are superior in almost every other respect.
Big cabins have big doors.
Fair enough. My frustration with aerial trams began with epic waits for the one at Zakopane in the Tatra Mountains on the Polish - Slovak border. Over 15 minutes between cabins and then several minutes to load and unload meant a very long time in a queue that barely moved.
Having the human equivalent of a sheep dog to push people in quickly and bite the ankles of tardy people might speed things up a bit, but I've never seen an aerial tram / cable car that loaded and unloaded quickly.
Kasprowy Wierch cable car at Zakopane
Visit Jackson and Snowbird. if you don't move you get trampled. I reckon they do a sub-minute load.
Our experience in Austria. Was not fun with kids.
Yep and then they can be taken out by Airforce USA. But trains have fires in tunnels.
I don't actually have an opinion one way or the other because I don't have the facts.
I heard somewhere that many years ago the air force may have once buzzed Thredbo Valley with a plane like an F-111 or Mirage. I know for a fact that in World War II, the air force trained their pilots at Sale in Victoria and one of the instructors frequently flew very low over the Hotham ski slopes to give people a fright.
But I'm quite confident that no plane has ever targeted a ski lift in Australia.
Drive yourself from Melb?
Would be quicker surely.
Why can't we send peeps up the hill by trebuchet?
I've looked down on to a pair of F111 from Black Sallees
The seppos hit a tram line in the alps years ago. Lots dead
Same in Italy.
Its not full if you can breathe
Yes that's the one in the italian alps
Takes about 7 hours going over Alpine Way from Southern Cross Station to Jindy. That's with no snow or landslides (both of which occur)
And conveniently burnt the gun camera tape on return to Aviano Air Force base.
Pago Pago 1981,
Boring tunnel, hyper loop, elevated maglev through the trees and valleys.
How many billions do you have available?
With GOD’s help I managed to get a one day lift pass on Monday 6th July at Hotham..car entry to resort has been paid also
However, I have no one to go with!
I live in Southern Eastern suburbs of Melbourne and if anyone is keen to go please let me know. I have a Hyundai Iload with plenty of room and snow chains ready to go.
Also, if anyone is already going I would be happy to meet you there on the slopes and ski together
Please let me know if this could work with anyone
Wrong thread, you need to post this in the Hotham thread.