After reading a number of interesting debates on gear weights and what is right or wrong, I thought it time to offer some of my opinions. I'm a bloke in his '60s, bushwalking since '72, skiing since '73 and over this time have done over led over 700 trips with my club and been on thousand trips in NZ, and every state in Aus. I believe there is no right or wrong, BUT in my opinion lighter is much better for your body. The number of people I am seeing with knee reconstructions and hip replacements is staggering but all those I have spoken too have all said "... if we could have known what these weights did to us when young we would have changed ..." I'm a bloke in his '60s, bushwalking since '72, skiing since '73 and over this time have done over led over 700 trips with my club and been on thousand trips in NZ, and every state in Aus. After a car crash, I had to give up skiing, but still go bushwalking. My pack weight has been reduced from 20 - 30 Kg to 17Kg (including snowshoes) for an 8 day winter Overland Track walk (3 person tent included for emergencies). Since the '70s, technology has seen some amazing improvements in gear, Paddy Pallin tents were the norm as were H Frame steel and later aluminium packs. I remember when closed-cell foam revolutionised sleeping on the ground. The newly designed European and British lightweight tents and internal packs arrived (many of us were very sceptical about the condensation and comfort of them, but over the years we all converted to them). Later Macpac (NZ) took the reigns and kept up the more traditional canvas but new deigns, but also gave the world a run with their innovative tents. Some of us were also beginning to import stuff from the USA, new designs (heavier but stronger) in tents and packs. Recent advaces in technology have seen some amazing new pack fabrics out there, many are more tear and wear resistant than the traditional canvas pack and weigh two or more kilos lighter (between 0.8 - 1.4 Kg). They carry comfortably 18 kg but unfortunately are only available overseas. There are a number of innovative sleeping bags too - keeping you warm to -5ºC and weighing only 600gm. Tents have also changed with these technologies. Sil Nylon has been around for a few years now and revolutionised tent weights. Many 2 person tents are around the Kg mark or slightly heavier. More recently Cuben Fibre has been discovered (taken from the sailing fraternity). This is an amazing material and I challenge anyone to rip/tear it. It's made 2 and 3 person tents to around 600Gm, but warning - it is extremely expensive. If you want to know more, please pm me.