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Green season prep for the 2020 BC season

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Interruptedbyfireworks, Mar 3, 2020.

  1. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Haha I’m sorry I’m going with an organised group. I’ll invite you on facey you so can see it for next time
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    How on earth did you do that with only 5kg of gear ???!!!
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    The silk liner also helps to keep your sleeping bag clean too.
     
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    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    Full spectrum to muse through.
    Perhaps Voile Straps are overkill, maybe duct tape....
     
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    DidSurfNowSki One of them Ski Pass: Gold

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    Put some tape around the walking poles.
     
  6. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dump the walking poles, too heavy & not required.
     
  7. Untele-whippet

    Untele-whippet beard stroker Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you’re going to dump you need a poo tube!
     
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  8. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Noooo don’t say that. I’m so proud of my poles haha. The idea is for it to be baby snow steps right and you gotta have poles in the snow...

    How else can I extract my revenge on stray two-plankers
    :out:
     
  9. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I believe that thread started around spring last year?! LOL Gear-heads, the lot of us

    Edit: this was meant to be a reply to @Jacko4650
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    So tonight I picked up my borrowed Osprey pack, Sea to summit ether light XT mat, and marmot hydrogen bag. It’s all getting real!! It’s somewhat disconcerting seeing all the severe weather warnings and even a flood watch notification come up on my phone though. Hopefully the most severe weather passes before Saturday at least
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I think you’re route is up hill, you should be ok.
     
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    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Lol if it’s storming it’s no deal for me. A bit of mud and a sprinkling is fine though, character building. I’m just still a bit on edge after the Summer That Was
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    That would be counterproductive.
     
  14. Interruptedbyfireworks

    Interruptedbyfireworks One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Touché :p
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Unless you want to be rescued by burly folks in fetching uniforms.
     
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    Rabid K9 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    That's funny. My no-compromise item is a 4kg tripod & 15 odd kg of camera gear that sits on it.

    Doesn't make much of pillow though....

    Years of stuff sacking, sometimes get it right & it's virtually feather filled head heaven, other nights, same technique & it's like a cold bag of compressed rocks wrapped corrugated iron.
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Crocs fit like an old tyre. Clogs for sure.
     
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    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Heavy rains after fires is a recipe for landslides.
     
  19. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    stick with the poles, I rate mine as well (not as a weapon), @skifree is an old bearded hippy he tent is naturally high.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    my issue with crocs is using them for creek crossings, they just don’t have the same support as the other options. But they are cheap and cheerful
     
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    Crocs are super duper slippery on wet rocks in creek crossings.
     
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    I have the Inov-8 Talon 190s, I actually got them when I was into doing mud runs like Tough Mudder and all that jazz, they are perfect for creek crossings - super grippy and they are designed to get wet and drain rather than trying to be a waterproof shoe

     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    they still take longer to dry than rubber, I’ve used the 190’s once but found they were still wet at the end of the day, rubber dries in seconds
     
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    or equivalent
     
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    I am eating less in the field - so I find my body never needs to go to about Day 3 (or more). There is a reason I am geared up for weekends and work in an office ;-)

    A mate claims he is the same, unless he sees a dunny. That is a trigger moment it seems.

    Also protects bag from sweat etc - I have never, ever washed a sleeping bag.
     
  26. mr

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    Pretty sure thats the andy kirkpatrick technique.....be fat at the start, eat little, burn up stores, dont shit on the wall, look like a climber at the end
     
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    Nice one!

    If you enjoy snowboarding and aren’t afraid of walking up hills for long periods then I’m sure you’ll enjoy Split boarding in our beautiful high country.

    Sounds like you want to combine camping out and split boarding. I’d encourage you to try day tripping with your touring gear first. That way you can sort out gear issues and refine the split boarding side of things without all the hassle of camping in the snow and the heavy gear you need.

    I’d identify some zones where you think you might like to head and scope them out in good weather. I split all my touring destinations into “all weather” and “good weather only”. For me (I’m in Victoria), big day objectives like Mt Bogong and Mt Feathertop are definitely in the latter, whereas some of the options closer to resorts below the tree line can be done in almost any weather.

    My destination certainly influences my gear list, for remote places (e.g. Bogong) I take enough to, hopefully, survive a night out (tiny bivy, small foldable pad, possibly jetboil, headlamp + big puffy), closer to resorts where I know someone can get to me relatively quickly I probably won’t bother with all that.

    At some point someone will fill freak you out with talk of avalanche danger. The reality is we have maybe 4 or 5 days a year of considerable avalanche danger. At the risk of over simplifying it into one sentence, if you stay off slopes above 30 degrees that face south thru east for 1-2 days after a storm, you’ll be fine. I think there’s a few people in Aus who run the Canadian AST (avalanche skills training) which maybe something to look at down the line.

    The reality is the weather is probably the biggest threat and, depending on the terrain you’re in, steep and icy slopes. There was a fatality on Mt Bogong last year when someone lost control and slipped down an icy slope.

    When you’re planning an excursion, remember the only place you MUST get to, is back home. Don’t get fixated on your goal for the day, be flexible and have some contingencies for when things aren’t quite as you’d planned. Start out with small tours close to civilisation in good weather to remove complexity and give you a chance to practise your transitions.

    I didn’t realise I’d ramble on for quite so long, but in terms of gear that you haven’t mentioned here are my brief recommendations (search for threads on this, there’s plenty):
    - avoid down (except for your camp puffy, which you’d never normally wear while moving).
    - ski crampons (see “steep and icy slopes” above). I’d avoid technical terrain (i.e. need boot crampons, ice axe) until you get more comfortable with ski touring.
    - a few ski straps, zip ties, bailing wire and a spare pole basket.
    - finger splints
    - many gloves
    - snow shovel (will form part of your avalanche kit eventually)

    I don’t claim to be an expert, this all just my opinion.
     
  28. Kletterer

    Kletterer Thredbo Doughnut Tragic Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Dinner time tip- Add some Dehydrated Peas- $ 1. 50 at Woolies
     
  29. zac150

    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    bugger that just full dehydrated meals, get some nice spice mixes and away you go
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    On the avoid down point I assume this is clothing specific, I would never recommend a synthetic sleeping bags.

    FWIW I think people can go over the top on Knick knacks, one of the reason a weigh everything is you can see how things add up.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    First rule of self propelled camping, Less is More.
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Except for red wine, more is less, helps numbe the pain
     
  33. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Light is right.

    This is much more effective than Red Wine & way lighter.

     
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    A Simon Yates knife is essential too!
     
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    zac150 One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Now that’s lighting things a bit to far
     
  36. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Use ya teeth ya slacker.
     
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    Only if you decanter into red wine bladder(pillow)
     
  38. zac150

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    meh that’s for boys, I have true polish pure spirit vodka at 70% and the hard core Polish pure spirit which is used as h base alcohol for grappa!
     
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    Lots of good advice there, thank you. Just taking baby steps for now (I've never actually used a split-board! Only snow-shoes) but I'm keen to do all the things in due course :love:
     
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    So I overdid it a little on the gin last night, but excited for the big day today! Got all my gear together but not quite in the pack yet (I tried in vain to get it all into my 30L and it just wouldn't work - would've had to skimp on water and down jacket), and getting nervous/excited for a night in the uh wilderness.

    And this is my selection for the most critical part of the venture:
     
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  41. Mister Tee on XC Skis

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    I started with multi night bushwalking and then moved over to various white season activities such as snow shoe trekking with an overnight pack , snow camping, winter mountaineering (of sorts with micro spikes and ice axes on Mt.Feathertop and Mt. Bogong), BC XC skiing and all year round cycling and surfing in the ocean . This all started somewhere around age 34 .I am now 50 years young.

    You learn about gear , victuals and routines that do and do not work as you go.

    If the terrain is open in the KNP and you have the time then the Guthega Power station to Valentine's hut walk is useful for testing gear, keeping fit and scouting out the good huts along the way. The navigation is straight forward .
    Using a map and compass with a GPS merely as back up in benign green season conditions is the best way to consolidate your navigational abilities.
    Then when you are above the tree line in a white out (on the Bogong High Plains for example) you will be less bamboozled.
    If you are going to try split boarding (with kicker skins) then you may end up becoming a BC XC skier in the end simply because you can cover a lot of distance on BC XC or Alpine Touring skis in one day outside of the ski resorts with just a day pack (with the relevant emergency bivvy bag, spare gloves, trail mix, sunscreen, PLB, whistle etc. etc. etc. included).
    @Chaeron is one such ski tourer who does some impressive day tours in the BC each season.
    @hongomania is another note worthy ski tourer.
     
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    Interesting that with all the talk of gear nobody really mentioned the most important thing! How to pack the shit!

    packing a pack is an art, I know when I have got it right as the pack can all but stand up by itself, this means when it’s on my back it is centred not pushing or pulling. I like light weight gear at the base below the harness, heavy gear against my back, and lighter gear to the outside and at the top. Obviously within all this you need to allow for gear you may want or need during the day.

    I am also a stuff sack person, sure I end up with and extra few hundred grams but I like the organisation; I also find it gets me moving faster in the morning as I’m up sleeping bag etc packed, stove on for a brew whilst packing the rest of the pack and getting changed.
     
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    Ps I’m pretty sure there will be a canberra crew adventure out of schlink pass this year,
     
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    Yeah, some of my most enjoyable solo walks have been 1 or 2 nighters with only the 40litre pack at around 8kg (albeit with tarptent strapped on outside).

    Edit.. especially once on the other side of five zero

    For me it does rely on picking an acceptable weather window though.
     
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    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    Sleeping bag temperature ratings are usually bollocks. If the bag says suitable for negative 5 then read that as plus 5 C. I always take my 4 seasons sleeping bag with me all year round. It is rated to negative 9 for comfort and negative 18 for survival. Mt.Bogong and Mt. Stirling sometimes have minus 8 C. nights at 1600 M. in winter but not that often.
    My Exped sleeping bag is full of duck down and has a foot zip for summer camping.

    Should you graduate to snow camping then having a sleeping bag that will keep you toasty warm no matter what is not optional and it will give you peace of mind. Some forum members on the camping thread are using camper vans for their white season trips to the KNP but I am a snow camper with a 4 seasons tent etc..
     
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    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    I have been using neoprene reef shoes and they make good camp/ loo shoes and are favourable for river crossings too.Don't get things for summer that are blue in colour. The march flies love gear that is blue in colour.
     
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    Mister Tee on XC Skis A Local Ski Pass: Silver

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    Katadyn make good stuff. The horses in the KNP make filtering water necessary.
     
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    In white season I make and use snow balls for cleaning up after No.2 in the drop loos that we Mexicans often have near our VIC. high country huts.
    Loo rolls don't clean you properly( yes spoken like a true Asiatic campaigner) , they become wet and snow is plentiful and biodegradable. A cold fundament is nothing, you will become used to this rude awakening when snow camping. I use a bottle of water and some liquid soap and go Indonesian style most other times.
     
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    I still use a trangier. Methylated spirits do not freeze even at minus Nine C.. You can wash your hands with metho. esp, if you are dry camping and budgeting /carrying water until you reach the next certain water point .
     
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    I am vegetarian and eat spicy South Asian food such as Daal, chappatii, yoghurt, fruit etc.. So I am often capable of "Malmsteen's trilogy "( a pile of crap in three installments).

    If I missed a day of big jobbies it would be quite unnatural. There are some things I am not prepared to carry up the hill!. I use the sea to summit sleeping bag liner to keep my sleeping bag clean. It is useful.