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Promotion Guided tour to Chamonix, France Feb 25 - Mar 4 2017

Discussion in 'Noticeboard' started by CarveMan, Aug 28, 2016.

  1. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Regular readers of the forums will know that CG and I have had some pretty incredible adventures in the French Alps over the last few years.

    We talk to lots of skiers who want to step up from the Japan / North American holidays they have been taking, and also plenty of people who want to either get into ski touring, or go ski touring in some bigger and better locations. I've had this idea for the last couple of years but I needed to focus on my core business so while I've teased a little bit about it on the forums a year ago, we're ready to go now.

    http://adventures.aussieskier.com/tours/chamonix-france/

    We decided that the three main elements that are required to make the most of skiing in the area are:

    Guiding - this goes without saying - to access the kind of terrain that makes Chamonix famous you need a fully IFMGA/UIAGM Qualified Mountain Guide. We are aiming for small groups of 4-5 skiers per guide to maximise speed. Often if you sign up for a regular guided group in town the group will be large and the pace slow - our aim is to get up and out early and maximise each day.

    Transport - Cham is at the point where the French, Swiss & Italian borders converge - the mountains block & funnel the storms so being able to move around to either the best snow or weather is key. So van transport is essential to either go to the areas in Cham or through to Courmayeur or Verbier.

    Accommodation - It's probably a bit foreign to Australian skiers but a big feature of skiing in Europe is catered chalets. Plus we're anticipating everyone to be pretty stuffed each evening so a 3 course hearty meal without worrying about going out to restaurants and falling asleep (just ask CG....) is perfect. But we will have a couple of dinners out to explore town and indulge in some local delicacies, which is pretty much a ton of cheese.

    Right now we're collecting expressions of interest - we still need to dot a few i's and cross a few t's before we can take deposits - also the numbers from the EOI will help determine what size of chalet we will use, what vans we rent & how many guides we need. We need a minimum of 8 participants to go ahead, and if we get more than about 12 we will look at adding another week.

    More details are on the web page - very interested in all your feedback & happy to ask any questions.

    (FYI ski package posts are only allowed on the forum if they're accompanied by a paid Ad - which is here: http://ski.com.au/holidays/packages...ountain-Guides-amp-Chalet-Accomm-ski8028.html )
     
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  2. Jellybeans

    Jellybeans not woke enough Ski Pass: Gold

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    What a great idea @CarveMan - Chamonix sounds great
     
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    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    just do it .... be part of something amazing :thumbs::cool:



    I have skied with a lot of skiers on a lot of hills over the years but spending a day or a week with the Carves rates as some of my best ski days ever.

    Good luck with the new venture Carves, I am sure it will be one of the best ski experiences ever.
     
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    absentskier Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I was wondering when this was going to happen! Good luck.
     
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  5. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep those days we did with you and the duckling are exactly the kind of thing we are looking to achieve.
     
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    Hermannator One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    Whilst it's a great idea, might need to look at pricing - could go heli-skiing in Italy for a week with half-board + equipment for the cost of this trip.
     
  7. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Some of my best days ever. The whole "relaxed and comfortable" in huge terrain immersion gig ... with food and cheese and limoncello. :cool::thumbs:
     
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  8. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Euro heli isnt what u see in the movies

    Good darts @CarveMan

    See ya up there hopefully :)
     
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    benchives Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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  10. Doonks

    Doonks Let's cook! Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Congratulations and well done :thumbs:
     
  11. climberman

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    Hmmmmmmmm..............
     
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    So, like, umm, stupidly interested.
    Will chat to the lady.
     
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    travelislife One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Have you seen the pricing for a day of guiding by a qualified guide in those areas? It is eye watering!
     
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  14. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    re: pricing - GST is the difference between us and at least 2 similar programs out there. Actually they are a couple of hundred $$ cheaper but don't include dinners.
     
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    Nice!

    Good luck with the new venture.
     
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    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    looks brilliant
     
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    So I take it the price of the guiding in the Chamonix Valley at 200€ / h is what's really driving the cost and as the groups are kept smaller (deliberately), the cost pp is up.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    looks great - i think this will be printed and pinned up in the kitchen next to bill barkers 'ski Antarctica' brochure.

    anyone want my 3 kids for 10 days?
     
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    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    350e/day?
     
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  20. Chester

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    Guides in France normally charge around 300 euros per day. At that rate, for a group of five people, the cost per person would be 60 per day.
     
  21. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    IMHO the CM experience would rate far higher than an Italian heli week. Far more adventurous and immersed in the big mountain terrain.
     
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  23. CarveMan

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    Yeah that one's been on my bucket list for a while!!
     
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    Kinda wishing I had learned how to ski now.
     
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  25. mr

    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    looking after my kids? awesome!
     
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  26. TOFF

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    Awesome trip would be awesome.
    I need to know more about sleeping arrangements before expressing interest. ;)
     
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    Or a week in Perisher.
     
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    mr Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    i'd go back to chamonix just for the almond croissant i had there in 1999
     
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  29. CarveMan

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    Twin share but I'll charge you double to spare someone else from having to share with you!
     
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  30. Chester

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    For those that are questioning the cost (openly or silently), you need to consider that your other option would be to go through the process of 'blindly' sourcing your own trip (airport transfers, accommodation, food, guide, daily transport etc.) and then pray that everything meets your needs and expectations. Carveman's package doesn't involve a lot of thinking, you just have to turn up in Geneva and everything will be done for you, as promised.

    As for the comparison with heli-skiing in Italy, although both options have their merits, there's no true comparison as they're both totally different propositions.
     
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    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    ^^^and getting a guide of known quality :)
     
  32. Chester

    Chester One of Us

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    That's what I was implying. There are guides, and then there are guides.
     
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    Budgiesmuggler A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Very interested this has been on the bucket list for a loooong time.

    BUT... Wife is giving birth in middle of NH ski season so that's me out this year.
     
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    Budgiesmuggler A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just looked at the website.

    It's not Haute Route style ski touring, it's back to base each night?
     
  35. Rimey

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    Value. The figure is about what I expected. It is not a cheap trip, but neither is the payoff.
    @CarveMan has said to me this is not a "charity job" and rightfully so. The Carves have worked to develop a good formula.
    The "value" is in assembling like minded skiers of similar ability and purpose, combined with suitable guides and provision of transport. So if it's crap in the Cham valley, there's a plan B, C or D. Less down days.
    Good accommodation is important so that you are replenished for the next day and are less likely to ski like rubbish.
    With 8 or 12 on this trip, I think I'm more likely to get a group of four that will work for me.

    Sure, you can DIY, but putting together the right crew is not easy.
    Your BC buddies skiing skills might be right, however their personal or work circumstances conspire against.
     
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    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I figure your skiing would improve astronomically as a side benefit.
     
  37. CarveMan

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    Yes it's all 'back to base' - the mountain huts don't start opening until mid-March into April.

    I'd love to do a hut based trip in the future, and haute route too, but being there that late reduces your options in poor weather as a lot of the snow low down has melted, which is where you need to ski if it's howling up high. So that would be a consideration for potential participants on that kind of tour.

    Late Feb is still prime time for off piste as well as day touring.
     
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    Discriminating against splitboarders though.

    Points off.
     
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    Split-boarding is a different discipline. Although you climb the same way, it's normally at a lesser pace, plus boarders are looking for different terrain on the way down. Also boarders are sometimes restricted in certain conditions, on some traverses &/or descents. IMO, best to group boarders with the like, and keep the skiers in their own groups.
     
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    Bring 3 mates!
     
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    Build a wall, perhaps? A great wall.
     
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    According to the website, Carvegirl is 'administrating' this tour.

    Anyone who knows CG knows she is a force. Personally I'd be happy to hand over administrating the country to CG and a half-dozen women like her.

    It's pretty much guaranteed to run like clockwork - and - if shit does unexpectedly hit the fan behind the scenes, none of the clients will have an inkling anything is not quite right.
     
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    In most cases no, but when it comes to touring, unfortunately still best to keep the two apart.
     
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    And dont forget the Carves are supplying fine wines. :thumbs:
     
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    Included !
     
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    Cyclone Nikki is a term that gets bandied about our household.... :out:
     
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    Oh and one thing I forgot to post in the OP - the vast majority of the pics in the galleries are ours - we padded it out with a few stock pics when ours were grey or out of focus, but most of them were taken by us doing exactly the things we hope to be offering.
     
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    Budgiesmuggler A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Cool.

    And I'm not put off by the cost either. I think it's about right for what's included.
     
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    Can highly recommend Chamonix! Love the place, so many options, already booked for next year plus Cortina (Dolomites, not hakuba lol)! Your pricing is competitive and sounds like a great plan!!
     
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    Awesome, the week after the tour we're testing skis in Austria and then might duck down to the Dolomites on the way back to France for some recon.
     
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