Gulmarg

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  1. Iangordon22

    Iangordon22 Hard Yards

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    Planing, anyone been there without going through agents, guides and second parties.
    If you have fill me in,
    Gordo
     
  2. Zeroz

    Zeroz A Local
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  3. nfip

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    be very very carefull.
    it's no walk in the park out there.
    by a long shot.
     
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  4. Donzah

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    why would you go without a guide??
     
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    I wouldn't. not there
    unless you've been there before, spent some serious time on the range, and really really know your avalanche biz.
    how many incident reports have we read about last couple of years where it's the ones taking the short cuts ....
    sketchy snowpacks are sketchy.
     
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  6. Heinz

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    coupled with massive terrain traps.
    risk x consequence is high
     
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  7. rowdyflat

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    Definitely the worst place I have seen for avalanches ,makes Colorado look like a picnic.
    Steep ,terrain traps , depth hoar, animals grazing all the undergrowth in summer so no base adhesion.
     
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  8. rowdyflat

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    And the proof is that several people die every season, when it is Russians, no one worries too much.
     
  9. Gimp

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    Well, not everyone's a numpty and have confidence in their own skills and abilities.
     
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    bit harsh mate.
    just because you choose go with a guide doesn't make you a numpty.
    IMO.
    they have lost a couple of local guides last few years.
    includes one being taken out last year from unguided numpties above iirc
    there also guides and there are "guides"
    Billy B and Brian (Newman ?) have done a lot of work to make the place a safe destination over many years.
    I know many folk , like yourself and , have plenty of bc skill and experience to manage safely with-out a guide.
    Friends of mine that have done 3 or 4 trips there still elect to be guided.
    Just the history of the place lends itself for things to go not so well unless you at the top of your game.
    IMO.
    I'm no expert by a long shot , but I know enough to know that I'm no expert by a long shot.
     
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    Wow... EXACTLY the attitude the backcountry doesn't need.
     
  12. Donzah

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    Glen Plake gets a guide in Gulmarg .. That's good enough for me.
     
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  13. Gimp

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    Yer, na, people actually go to places such as Gulmarg/mountains/wilderness without guides and survive repeatedly, go figure or go try it. Why because they have confidence in their skills/abilities.
     
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  14. smackies

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    To be fair, some of the “guides” there are little better than a somewhat educated person showing themselves around. Maybe even worse.

    Good guides are definitely worth the coin though thin on the ground. As a general rule, the snowpack is terrifying. Having the wisdom of someone who has observed and touched the snowpack over the preceding weeks/months is, in my view, invaluable in that place.

    On the other hand, there are people who are capable of doing that for themselves and do do that for themselves.

    It’s a place that deserves more caution than many other places. No doubt. The combination of terrain, snowpack, numpties, general lack of assistance make it so. But that doesn’t mean it’s completely beyond the capabilities of a certain type of individual.

    P.S. I’d never do it without a proper guide.
     
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  15. Donzah

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    I get your point .
    Yet to the OP . Those sort of people already know.
     
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    If they have to ask for tips on a public forum ...... I know what opinion I would be forming .
     
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  17. nfip

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    I take some comfort in the fact they are asking questions .
    at least there now will be some warning bells ringing .
    which is only a good thing.
     
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    When we were there an Australian was killed. Two others caught in a very large avalanche and survived more by good luck than anything else. We found the local ‘guides’ to be clueless but believe that there are now more qualified and experienced guides there. We decided the whole experience was not worth the danger involved.
     
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    The hash was good though LOLLOLLOL
     
  20. Gimp

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    Ha, it is pretty cool to have your man slave go score some No. 1, chop, pack, light the hubblybubbly and make tea and bickies, nom nom nom.
     
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    Gulmarg - Insurance.
    Surprised this issue hasnt been noted here , but Gulmarg/ Kashmir is listed by Au & NZ Govts as Extreme Risk : therefore most typical Travel Insurance Policies explicitly excludes cover in Kashmir region only due to this Risk (though not cover for the rest of India).
    Looks like IHI & Global Rescue, maybe AACUK , are the only fuller cover options.
    See ya there ~
     
  22. blowfin

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    I've thought about Gulmarg a number of times. Seems OTT to expose yourself to the amount of risk with both logistics and safety of the place, for what you get out of it. On balance, given the same funding... there are other guided/backcountry/cat/heli destinations that are way higher up the list.
     
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    Yes, my old friend Ms. E. who is the manageress at the Silver Brumby Chalet at Thredbo Village/resort and is a keen skier has been skiing at Gulmarg twice, on two different trips. Her life partner/ husband is a Swiss fellow and is a keen skier too. They really enjoyed the snow, the friendly people, hearty Kashmiri cuisine and the lack of crowds.

    I go to India every 3 years or so and now the visa on arrival at Delhi airport seems to be making the Byzantine bureaucracy involved in obtaining a tourist visa to the Republic of India somewhat easier. Personally I would prefer to obtain my visa before I step onto any plane. Most flights that arrive in Delhi having changed planes in either Sri Lanka or SE Asia tend to arrive in the middle of the night. It is not a good time to be stuffing around with obtaining a visa on arrival when you are jet lagged and sleep deprived.
     
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  24. essjaywhy

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    any updates on this season ?
     
  25. smackies

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    Forecast for this week looks nuts!
     
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