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Hakkoda

Discussion in 'Japan' started by RyanMM75, Mar 30, 2019.

  1. Lonepeak

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    Good to know. I’m scoping out other areas as far south as Iwate as back-ups if I need to spend a few day’s elsewhere.
     
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    Been to Hakkoda a few times. Definitely worth a visit but even the season before last it was busy around the weekends. Mid week ok.i reckon feb would be better than Jan. We toured without a guide with no problems except it did involve waiting for the bus service. Ok runs under the rope way. The chairs at the bottom are a bad weather option although skies out quick. There are not a lot of nearby options although Aomori spring is worth a visit as are some of the smaller resorts heading towards morioka. Heaps of options out of morioka ... lots of tr’s on here re this area particularly those by heinz
     
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    Bus? Is it possible to catch a bus back to the ropeway after a side/back country route? I recall reading the guides will have a dirver/van at the end of a route to get back to ropeway. Bus is an option as well?
     
  4. Heinz

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    Certainly not that I remember, although that was a few years ago. It was always a prearranged pick up by the guide with the hotel or ski school.
     
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    There is twice daily (from what I recall ) jr bus service from Aomori that you can use for a pick up from the historic onsen and hotel up the road from the ropeway. If staying at these places they provide their own bus shuttle to the ropeway as well as guided group tours and you can then ‘tour’ back to the Onsen. There are other tours as well with various pick up points although I haven’t done those. The main routes have markers once you get in the forest and in summer probably above the tree line.
     
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    That route to Sukayu Onsen only opens later in season. IIRC March. If you search Hakkoda-ski.com there is a downloadable contour map of the area showing the various routes and the roads around the base. As Heinz says you basically need a guide to get transport back along the road if you take a route that does not connect back to the front courses (forest and direct) from which you can access the ropeway base. There are a multitude of lines that do connect back to the base, but because of terrain and weather it is very easy to get lost without a guide. We used a very good local Yoshitaka Hirai www.hakkoda-hirai.com as our guide.
     
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  7. Lonepeak

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    Thanks all. I like the late season option so I can try other areas on my to-do list Jan-Feb (Iwate, maybe Alts Bandai). Hakkoda has been on my radar since my first trip to Niseko a few years ago. I rode the gondola with a 70 year old (!) Tokyo skier who showed me some pics of Hakkoda on blue bird days. Had me drooling...
     
  8. Heinz

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    Have a look here https://www.ski.com.au/xf/xfa-blog-category/japan.14/view-entries
    2009 & 2010 reports for winter conditions
    2012 report for spring conditions
     
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  9. Lonepeak

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    Hi just reading this forum for the first time. We are booked in for feb , were not exactly BC skiers/boarders but have wanted to ski here for years. I feel it might be above our skill level , advanced but not hardcore. Finding a good guide service is the key from what you say here . also is it easy to hire quality skis and boards ? thanks in advance - we are booked for 9 days here.......any tips for next feb welcome.
     
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    The rental options at Hakkoda are few in number and only have limited range. There is the ski school rental and Sensou lodge shop.
    Definitely recommend BYO!
    The skiing is not “”extreme”, in fact a lot is quite mellow, it is more the fact the terrain is varied (ie forests, creek beds, quirky contours) and this makes route planning difficult. You are not in a ski “resort”.
    This is why a guide is recommended.
     
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    The guide should route you through terrain that suits the ability of the group.

    As above much of the guided terrain is mellow and should be no real issue for ski any blue run skier.

    Going off the groomers will take you into very challenging terrain if you’re not careful.

    Tho dropping into chest deep pow for the whole line presents new challenges to skiers of Oz ice.

    Take your own gear, include a helmet, the bc lines pretty much all involve long runouts thru forest.
     
  13. Lucky Pete

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    If you are going off piste count on hiring BC gear as well if you dont have it. Beacon etc etc etc.
     
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  14. Heinz

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    I am surprised you booked there for 9 days without knowing more. For that length of time you would certainly want some form of BC capability ie. touring skis or snow shoes as well as a guide and avi gear. You can spend a few days there just skiing the two marked runs but that would be it. Otherwise for a 9 day period you would be better off elsewhere. The skiing itself probably won't be above your skill level but you will need a guide to show you the various routes and avoid the terrain traps.
     
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  15. pedub

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    Is Hakkoda OK early Jan? (for snow cover)
    What about further south i.e. Akita, Iwate?
    Thinking about spending NYE around Sapporo but thinking about trying to get over to Honshu maybe on the shinkansen. I guess it would mean hiring a car at Aomori perhaps....
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    We flew Hokkaido to Aomori, pre Shink, and bus to Hokkoda.
     
  17. Ramenman

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    JMA has a weather station at 880m asl on Hakkoda and according to JMA, the snowdepth on January 1st this year(2019) was 222cm(and it reached 370cm a few weeks later). Hakkoda is a lot more snowy than Niseko and the altitude is higher than Niseko's base, so it's colder too. This video was filmed on December 26th 2018.
     
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    You'll be right in jan!
     
  19. Ramenman

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    You are willing to hike or going to ski only inside ski resorts?. If I choose backcountry spots which are close enough to Tohoku Shinkansen stations(less than one hour by car from Tohoku Shinkansen stations), they are Mt.Gentagadake, Mt.Mitsuishi and Mt.Chausu. All of them are in Iwate(Akita is a bit far from Tohoku Shinkansen stations). The elevation of those mountains are about 1500m, and it's northern Tohoku, so I feel 1500m there is like 2000m + of Central Honshu. Mt.Gentagadake is accessible by use of the lifts of Shimokura Ski resort. Mt.Mitsuishi is accessible by use of the lifts of Amihari ski resort. Appi has backcountry tours to Mt.Chausu.

    This is Mt.Gentagadake on January 4th(hike from Shimokura ski resort)


    Iwate's backcountry spots are mainly for spring skiing for us, though, not January. This was filmed in early May(May 3rd).


    This is around Mt.Mitsuishi. The elevation of Mt.Mitsuishi is about 1500m, but they are skiing around 1350m - 900m in the video. The top lift station of Amihari ski resort is at about 1350m, so almost 0m vertical hike from the top lift station of Amihari ski resort, and that's why I like Amihari ski resort.



    This is around Mt.Chausu on Jaunary 3rd. There was a ski resort there but closed more than 10 years ago. The ski resort was at 900m - 1420m(Mt.Chausu is 1580m). Usually, very snowy roads are closed in winter, but there are geothermal power plants at about 1000m asl there, so the road is open in mid winter, so you can drive there in winter too. Now Appi has CAT tours there, so you don't need to drive by yourself, though.
     
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    Yeah we will do resorts and BC too.
    It looks alright :nerd:
    Why do you mainly do spring skiing there @Ramenman?

    It looks like an option to explore Aomori area (incl Hakkoda) then head down to Morioka too. Probably looking like 5 - 12 Jan.
     
  21. skifree

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    Hokkoda not much viz traditionally in Jan & Feb.
     
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    From where we live and work, ski resorts in southern Tohoku are the most accessible. My family own a lodge in Zao (=Yamagata Pref) and I jointly bought a used tiny loge in Urabandai Highland (=Fukushima Pref) with my ski mates, so I ski in southern Tohoku the most. March is still good enough for many backcountry terrains in southern Tohoku which are easily accessible by use of lifts of ski resorts. From last week of March, we tend to go to northern Tohoku for better snow quality. Actually, Fukushima has the tallest mountains of Tohoku (2100 - 2400m) and they have good snow quality in late March and early April, but there aren't ski resorts on those mountains, which means, we need to hike a lot. I enjoy 200m - 300m vertical hike. 400m vertical hike? Hmm, sometimes okay, but more than 500m, no, it's too much for me. So, for me, less hike & better snow quality is the reason to go to Iwate, Akita and Aomori in April. From late December to mid March, southern Tohoku is good enough for me.

    This video was filmed on the mountain very close to our lodge in Urabandai Highlands on April 3rd 2019(this year). It's Fukushima = Southernmost prefecture in Tohoku, but it was still this good between 1500m and 2000m in early April this year. It's one of the most common backcountry spots for us. There is a ski resort there and the top lift / gondola station is at 1600m. 400m vertical hike between 1600m and 2000m(=less than 500m vertical hike), not too steep nor too flat, so we enjoy those backcountry terrains in southern Tohoku till the end of March.


    This is the same mountain on April 12th this year(2019), accessible by use of the lifts / gondola of Grandeco ski resort.


    This is also the same mountain filmed in April(not this year, but in 2014). Sorry, this thread is Hakkoda, not Fukushima:p
     
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    Thanks for that We are definitely on the careful side , so will seek a guide .
     
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    Yes we didn’t really look at the nitty gritty of the place, but skied japan 6 times and felt like something more Japanese... I’m thinking maybe doing a more commercial resort for 4 days. Any recs in the area - is there anywhere else nearby in the same region that’s worth going too ? Cheers
     
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    Aomori Springs?
    Or further south, there’s a bunch of places around Morioka.
     
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    I agree with Aomori Springs and would organise a night in Hirosaki on the way. It’s an interesting city with some nice bars and restaurants.
    I would suggest Aomori Springs first and then on to Hakkoda.
    Some interesting deserts in Hirosaki!
     
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    How would folks do a transfer from Otaru to Aomori?

    I default to thinking about trains but it's a 6hour journey for around about 15,000 yen, and there's 3 transfers. The train ride along the Hokkaido coast (Muroran/Hakodate line) looks like it might be spectacular, has anyone done it?

    Meanwhile a flight looks like it's going to set me back about 100 AUD, with maybe 2000-3000 Yen of airport shuttle costs thrown in. Plus it's going to save me a couple of hours.
     
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    I've done it this Feb, and it certainly has nice views. I would save the 'spectacular' for more mountainous lines like the Akita Nairiku line or the Ou main line, but on the Muroran/Hakodate line I spent quite some time looking out the window instead of reading.
     
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    Did the trip in reverse stopping overnight in Hakodate and then going via Kutchan.
    The part that was spectacular was after we came out of the tunnel on Hokkaido and then hugged the sea around to Hakodate. It had been a blizzard on Honshu and then we came out to blue sky and snow to waters edge.
    Unfortunately the new Shinkansen line appears to go more inland.
    I recall the trip from Hakodate to Oshamambe was also close to the coast in parts but don’t remember it being as scenic but may just have been the weather.
    From Oshamambe to Otaru was a slow local train but interesting, snowy terrain.
     
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    Anyone skiing hakkoda at present / next week ? How is it

    also any reports here on summiting Mt Iwate ? My search came up blank Cheers
     
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    Do you mean Iwaki?
     
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    Mt.Iwate or Mt.Iwaki?

    Mt.Iwaki is very fun to climb and ski. We did last March, but not to the peak(the mountain is about 1625m = slightly taller than Hakkoda mountains and we climbed to 1300m asl). Aomori spring ski resort has official backcountry tours but they also don't climb up to the peak. There are people skiing from the peak too. I'll show you how the mountain looks, but not now. I'm "working" now, so I can't make long posts now(maybe tonight, but not sure if you are interested in)
     
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    We met a group who was doing an ascent from the top lift of Iwakisan Hyakuzawa this year on a really nice bluebird day. Completely different aspects than you'd get from the Aomori Springs side though.
     
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    Mt.Iwaki has 4 common backcountry routes. Blue triangles are the 4 routes. The Hyakuzawa route, which @blowfin-san mentioned is 百沢コース in the map below(route length = 5.5km, vertical drop =1180m). The one we did is 嶽コース = Dake course(route length = 4km, vertical drop =1000m). At the bottom of 長平コース, there is Aomori Spring ski resort (but I assume they won't lead you to the peak).
    [​IMG]
     
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    Any bus service looping about the bottom yet or still guide booked transport only?
     
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    Mt.Iwaki is very popular for spring time backcountry skiing among advanced backcountry skiers and when the map was made, a shuttle bus was running between the bases of 4 backcountry routes. But the map is old. I think it was made more than 10 years ago, so I'm not for sure about the bus service in recent years. Aomori Pref is great place to ski, but it's northern most prefecture of Tohoku, so it's far from where I live, work and mainly ski, and I don't know the local transportation much. I'll google about it later (maybe tonight) if you are interested in.
     
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    This video was filmed at Mt.Iwaki 9 days ago(on February 12th, 2020). This season is the very worst season, but at least Mt.Iwaki had this enjoyable amount of snow early this month. The elevation of the mountain is 1630m, treeline is around 1000 - 1110m, so if you hike up to the peak, it'll be a long over treeline skiing.



    Mt.Iwaki in 2018. This video was filmed and uploaded by Aomori Spring ski resort's crew. As I wrote in Latest ski & tourism news thread, Aomori Spring Ski resort was bought by a Singaporean company and now they are organizing English speaking backcountry tours at Mt.Iwaki. You are not willing to hire their guides?.



    And this is another video of Aomori Spring ski resort's official backcountry tour at Mt.Iwaki (filmed in 2016)



    Filmed on March 17th. Mid - Late March can be this good at Mt.Iwaki(if you hike, though)



    This was filmed on April 22nd, 2019(so, it was last season's late April)
     
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    Appreciated all the comments

    Im in Iwate area ;
    Didn’t consider Iwaki , too far, but it looks an option out from Sanso at Hakkoda
    I will also look up Mt.Gentagadake, Mt.Mitsuishi and Mt.Chausu

    Tour high in a low tide

    cheers Ramenman and all
     
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    Haha, this is Hakkoda thread, so I think almost all people thought you meant Mt.Iwaki(It's in Aomori Pref and Hakkoda too), not Mt.Iwate(it's in Iwate Pref):p.

    Lodge Clubman is organizing backcountry tours in the region. They have CAT backcountry tours too, and you can still book their CAT tour of Feb 24th (next Monday).
    https://www.google.com/maps/place/L...8b!5m2!4m1!1i2!8m2!3d39.9262597!4d140.9912034

    The mountains you mentioned were great earlier this month(if not as good as average season), but I'm not for sure about this weekend.
     
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    This video was filmed near Mt.Gentagadake about 11 days ago(Feb 11th). Juhyo was clearly smaller than average February (but still good and fun)
     
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    Mitsuishi~Dake today
    Y800 one-up the Iwate-Kogen gondola
     
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    From the top of Amihari Onsen ski resort to Mt.Iwate (not the peak, though) filmed on Feb 20th, 2020 (= this season). Alain Kajita-san (half Swiss Japanese born and raised up in the region) = the uploader is the specialist on mountains in the region (especially Hachimantai region)
     
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    Gentagadake, easy tour yesterday above Shimokura ski jo ~

    hakkoda now finally ~
     

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    What app / map is that you are using there @essjaywhy ?
     
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    Wow the drone footage is so sick
    Still looking great in this region despite the "bad" season
     
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    App is Geographica , essential for bc here
    For Hakkoda , Avenza app has the Hakkoda map installed so you can gps it offline; below
     
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    Thanks to Hokkaidowilds for the referrals
     
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    This video was also filmed in the same region(Hachimantai, Iwate Prefecture) in the very worst season (2020 = this season).




    I think northern Tohoku is relatively stable.

    Bad season type A : The season when westerly wind doesn't blow often (less lake effect precipitation)
    Bad season type B : The temperature is simply higher than average season (more winter rain instead)

    Edit: I'm not a weather expert at all.

    Northern Tohoku is colder (if not as cold as Hokkaido), so it can snow instead of rain even if it's relatively warm season. This season is the very worst season in decades, and there wasn't much snow in southern Tohoku during New Year holidays, so we went to nothern Tohoku during New Year holidays for backcountry skiing. It was fun, but still, not as good as the average season. I really like the region. Treeline is low (thanks to the coldness and big snowfall), so 1000m asl = already trees are nicely sparse to dodge. Short hike from the top lift stations of ski resorts = above treeline skiing + nicely sparse treerun. As I mentioned in "Latest Ski &Tourism News" thread, there used to be a ski resort (900m - 1420m asl) in the region, which was a great short hike backcountry base, but it was closed. Amihari ski resort, Shimokura ski resort, etc can be good backcountry bases, but they might get closed too in the future, so I've been promoting ski resorts in Tohoku in this forum. I know a lot of people don't want to share their favorite "hidden runs" with the other skiers, but I do think more people need to visit the ski resorts in the region to make the lifts keep running. I like backcountry skiing, but I'm a bit lazy person, so I want to use lifts of ski resorts for backcoutry /sidecountry skiing:p
     
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    fennekeg One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    I understand people not wanting to share their pavourite secret runs, but there are sooo many nice small ski resorts all over the place. Western tourists simply don’t know about them and go crowding the known ones instead. So if you just keep mentioning all these little ones, tell a bit about them every now and then, we can spread out and they won’t get overrun but can stay open instead.
     
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    essjaywhy One of Us

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    The sharing of useful b.c. info is key to safety, good times, making a community, and as noted - potentially keeping skifields open as Ramenman-Sensei says.

    So lets all do our duty and publicise secret runs & less known fields.

    Hakkoda Sakayu Onsen route today; breaking trail in the fresh ; only a place to go fully prepared if unguided ...
     
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