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Hakuba 2010

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Deepzone, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. Go Native

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    fattwins I'm just wondering how much Hakuba benefits from Chinese New Year? Up here it's going to be probably one of the busiest weeks of the whole season with nearly everyone completely booked out from 13-20 Feb.
     
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    Do I have to wear a shirt ? [​IMG]
     
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    could it be coupled by maybe ppl wanting to not go canada (or leave canada - crowds?) to go japan during that period too?
     
  4. damian

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    Quote from a lodge owner recently in Hakuba: "we could charge double over Chinese New Year and still be knocking people back"
     
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    GN busy as full 5 months ago for that time. That holiday is easy to fill it is now till the 4th of feb that we are only 70% full. I could charge more but I hate that skiing is so expensive. Im a skier period I want to ski and I want others to do the same. I dont adjust my rates during the season.
     
  6. Mr_Ed

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    hey Neslot, i called and booked seats on that bus from Shinjuku the other day, the person who answered wasn't english speaking but i managed to get them to put me onto an english speaking person with a bit of help from google translate. After that it was still slow going between her broken english and my broken japanese but i got the booking in the end! i actually really enjoyed the call as we were both laughing so much trying to understand each other! so anyway as I understand it they always have an english speaking person there to help
     
  7. smackies

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    I booked my seats from Hakuba to Shinjuku online yesterday. No problems.
     
  8. _Dave_

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    Ski Tsugaike on Saturday and Iwatake on our first day Friday, got freshies both days, prob more yesterday. [​IMG]
    Love Iwatake, over the back there was no one there how good is that [​IMG]
    47 & Goryu today, guess what??? yea freshies again [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Off to Cortina tomro, should be good
    I cant believe the base [​IMG] its huge, big diff to last year. will post pics hopefully tomro.
    U know how it is ski,beer,onsen,sleep,ski,beer,onsen,sleep
    Flat out [​IMG]
     
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  9. Rabid K9

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    Re: Japanese Weather conditions and Forecasts 2009/2010

    Just back in from riding Suginohara (Myoko), nice clear morning, cloud started descending around 1200, needle snow & a few fat flakes falling at top of gondola soon after. Top quad closed with mechanical malfunction all day, groomers nice condition up top, little icy lower down, off-piste like cream up top, like butter lower down. Back in Akakan now, still warmish in village but cloud thickening around peaks.

    Sun of yesterday formed about 2cm thick crust, not too hard, small solar induced slides & snowballing could be seen in the steep backcountry behind Suginohara this morning on SE aspects. Noticably shallower base depth in Suginohara when compared to Akakura Onsen, amazing variation in short distance due to aspect, anecdotally about 1m at gondola base, around 3m up at Akakura nighta quad!

    Sheared steel binding mount off-piste this morning with unplanned forward somersault, may have to dodge up with cable ties, off for onsen now, a hard life!!
     
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  10. Sandy

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    Looks like the snow is coming in at Hakuba.
     
  11. seekingpow

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    Chinese New Year, yeah damn. Forgot to do my homework on checking when it was that before I booked this year.

    Hope there are good enough falls to keep the cover in good knick - I'm greedy and want freshies!

     
  12. rangerider

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    Good to hear Dave. Sounds awesome, enjoy. Looking forward to the pics [​IMG]
     
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  13. Charles

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    What when why? Chinese New Year? Ah thank goodness, two days after I leave. Otherwise I would need to brush up on my Mandarin.
     
  14. Charles

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    Hakuba today has been one windy day with a lot of powder snow thrown into the mix. Tomorrow things should improve and Monday will be the pick. Tuesday maybe not so good.
     
  15. stovemiester

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    Arrive tonight and so looking forward to my first run at Happo. Happy days.
     
  16. Sandy

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    For people at Hakuba, don't forget, drinks at the WhiteHorse Hotel, Wednasday 10th Feb, from around 6:30pm.
     
  17. Karen97

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    [​IMG] Heading to Hakuba today [​IMG]
     
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  18. Sandy

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    Yes, I'm arriving in Hakuba today as well, along with TOFF (and son), Teisto, Hoppy, Woggy and Carl.

    Keep an on the Weather thread for Japan, as I'll try to pick the best place for each day.

    For example, I had intended for the crew to go Happo tomorrow, Iwatake Tues, Happo or Tsugaike Weds, Goryu/47 Thu, but so far as weather vs altitude goes, we might be better to go Iwatake tomorrow(lower top elevation to take advantage of the coldest day this week), Happo Tues, Goryu/47 Weds, Happo Thu(or Shiga Kogen!!!!!!!!!! [​IMG] )
     
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  19. damian

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    Hakuba/Happo on Thursday? I am still counting on 3-4cm of rain at the top lift followed by a re-freeze the very next day. Even higher Shiga Kogen may not save you. In the coming week go to Hokkaido if you want to ski, come to Hakuba for mountaineering.
     
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    Why do you think I said Shiga Kogen??? [​IMG]
     
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    Just had one of the best mornings of the season.
     
  22. Charles

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    One more day tomorrow then back home. Will need to pack a longer board next season for this place that is for sure.
     
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    I don't like the sound of the rain on the roof [​IMG]
     
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    There is now a few cm of snow on my car!!!!! (at Hakuba)
     
  25. Charles

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    The cam was showing some snow on peoples cars, here is to a good fall over the next few days.
    Yay, home to 37 degrees. What sort of a sick joke is this, I want back. Will post my best Hakuba panoramic once stitched.
    Also while I am at it, I can highly recommend Hotel Viola, they made the stay so very pleasant, great location.

    Last thing though out of topic, I hate Sydney transfer domestic... Just truly hate it.
     
  26. benchives

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    still very wet in Hakuba. Snow is holding up well down below though.
     
  27. TJ

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    I prefer transit in HK,KL or Singapore to flying into Sydney and transfering.
     
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  29. damian

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    Personally, I like the bus frHows the snow in Hakuba?om Shinjuku. Haneda to Shinjuuku isn't so hard either.

    >Hows the snow in Hakuba?

    Sorry to say it: very bad right now and has been for most of this week. It should be better next week, but we will need a windless 40cm to improve things in the longer term. Luckily it looks like this might almost happen. This weekend is a holiday and the crowds will likely scralp anything fresh back to the ice in resort.
     
  30. Charles

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    Hmm, the public holiday. Oh, in regards to Haneda to Hakuba, depends on what day, what time and what you are carrying. Haneda to Tokyo train then the bullet is fine during the middle of the day during Monday to Friday though if it isn't at this time, the bus could be a winner.

    Anyhow, here is a picture from the view I had each morning... Dam I am missing it already.

    [​IMG]

    The bluebird day, I think it was the 7th of February.
     
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    Great pic
     
  32. Charles

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    Glad you liked it. One more which is a little large but any smaller would ruin the whole thing.
    Under a meg in size but if you have dial up then gomennasai [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    I love Hakuba and will definitely be coming back.

    Next time I will hire a car and travel with someone who doesnt drink

    I will also practice pole planting on snowboarders heads in the interim.

    Shaggy at Ca na da tei in Goryu opens his hotel up for dogs in the summer as a dog resort.

    His dog Ringo is very cute. His sashimi is the best I have ever had.

    My skiing is over for now. Rain, hail, snow, sun, fever, headaches, flu and cold I still got out and had fun.

    Lapping the double at Imori and interpersing with a lap of the quad with the racers and no one else will be a highlight.

    The ball of your foot is not actually the heel of your foot - that took me thirty odd years to work out.

    But as soon as I did, I started skiing sweetly.

    Life is great.
     
  34. Charles

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    Ah the angry skiers, got to love them, or keep your distance from them.
    There are us snowboarders out there though who are very considerate when out on the mountain.

    Take the board away from those [auto-censor] snowboarders out there and put a set of ski's on them and you will see that they still remain assholes.

    Happone ended up full of moguls at one point so I guess most of the boarders were at 47 and that is why I only visited that place once. Iwakate was great though and this is where I spent most of the last few days at. Also was lower and had less freeze.

    Glad you had a good time up there, it is awesome though not so good to hear about your flu. Talking about dogs, visited a Korean restaurant with a crazy black and white boarder collie. Then there is the Doberman behind the counter at one of the shops in Ecoland who doesn't accept tips, unless they are finger tips [​IMG] hehe.. Actually both dogs were cute dogs with their own personalities.
     
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    ahhh but you get me wrong charles. I love snowboarders. They are perfectly good slalom gates.

    A bit low when sitting down but still good nonetheless.

    Goryu/Imori was great all day. Even up high if you didnt mind the fog I found the skiing to be excellent.

    Then again I love icy patches. Sorts them out real good.
     
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    suggestions on best places to eat in hakuba ???
     
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    Nice panormama's charles- keep em coming.

    Re restaurants Emu was a great cheap,cheerful,authentic with excellent okonomninyaki and ramen- just up the road an excellent sushi restaurant name escapes me- and the samurai bar just the happo side of echoland was also good- its not too hard to sniff out the good places once you're there
     
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    Hi Piggy, glad you had a good time at Goryu. After 2 mths there i was leaving there just before you arrived otherwise would had caught up.
    Canada tei guy is pronounced "Shig -ay". Top guy, ex mogul champ and still instructing. Had something to do with the early days of the Suzuka 8hr bike races also.
    Iimori is a fun place for sure, and often deserted as you found out. Glad to see they are grooming half of the run directly under the Cosmo quad. Watched two guys straight line it one day.
    Its humbling when you get carved up by 14y/o girls in the race squads at Iimori. Did you go to the Drumming on Wed nights at the Plaza?? Maybe if you come again we will catch up next time.
     
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    Hi, looking for advice on first trip to Japan. Will be in Tokyo around 23 March with my son. We thought we might get in 3-4 days skiing ( both intermediate standard).

    Limited time so needs to be closeish to Tokyo.

    I have been recommended Hakuba.

    Will the snow be OK still at that time? Any other better ideas?

    Thanks
     
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    That's where I would be heading if I was on Honshu. Should still be plenty of snow, what condition it will be in is a bit of a raffle. Could be slush or pow depending on your luck with the weather.
     
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    I have heard a lot of good things about Emu. Food on the mountain is OK but perfect for what it is, getting the energy levels up for the afternoon run. Funniest thing I ordered on the mountain was zero percent alcohol Beer, the sales persons kept saying, no alcohol,are you sure you want this, you are Australian, you should go for the alcohol.. Well along those lines anyhow. After drinking it, I have no idea what those Suntory girls were smiling about, it was cat urine though better than most Australian beer.

    Hey Pigface, I do agree with snowboarders just sitting down at the top of chairlifts, what the hell are they doing? If you have to stop and rest because you are tired and lazy, just go to the side and keep the track clear. After a year you should be able to step into your bindings while on the move. Ah the advantages of Flow bindings. (lets not talk about the disadvantages)

    hehe.. Anyhow, here is another panoramic, this one was tougher as I had to redo a lot of the left hand side cloud cover, still it looks OK. Hakuba 47 being viewed from Happone.

    [​IMG]

    There is one gripe I have with the place though before I forget. Walking on the footpath, after a snow dump, the street snow cleaners just dump the snow straight onto the footpaths and that is it. The footpath is utterly blocked and no one bothers to clean it. I think they want everyone to just drive around or catch the bus. Walking from Happone to Iwakate was a real pain for that reason, the walk took way longer, had to take a short cut via Skywalker, though to walk up the hill was good exercise.
     
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    Arriving in Haks on Monday for 5 days, really hoping it doesnt rain like last year! Forecast doesn't look like any pow days [​IMG]
     
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    you will be sweet. Last year the rain ruined the whole mountain base on piste.

    It would take at least two to three weeks of consistent rain for that to happen.

    Bottom line is that you will be fine. The snow pack is so so very deep at the moment.
     
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    great shot of the valley and Happo
     
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    going to Emu tonight 4 tea afte awesome time at happo
     
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    Emu food is amazing and cheap...
     
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    Where abouts is emu? Might check it out tonight.
     
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    Recently returned from two weeks at hakuba and wanted to do a quick recap of some positives and negatives.

    Firstly, thank god for the information on this forum, whilst it was our fourth time to Japan it was our first time to hakuba and I booked it all direct.

    First ski day was Sunday 31 January -perfect groomers and BUSY (Happo)! IMO at least as busy as Niseko if not buiser.
    Second ski day was Monday at 47 -perfect groomers and VACANT.

    First lesson Hakuba is bloody busy on weekends and bloody empty on weekdays.

    It started snowing Monday afternoon and with perhaps one or two hours exception snowed for the next 6 1/2 days non stop. Best weeks skiing ever. Did Happo, Goryo, Iwatake (Sunday when blizzard conditions hit) and Cortina. What a blast.

    Monday morning (day 9)the snow stopped and we had a cracking day at Happo, sweet groomers and powder still everywhere.

    Tuesday = constant RAIN all day and no skiing.
    Wednesday = constant RAIN for virtually all day but we skiied which was actually a bit of a laugh.
    Thursday = rain, hail, sleet and little snow needles. Everything frozen overnight. Pretty nasty stuff.

    Friday there was perhaps 10 - 15cm overnight. The morning was pretty good (ignoring the ice under the snow) but the afternoon was "mixed" at best.

    Sooooo we had 10 days of brilliant skiing and three days of crap. The best was better than Niseko, they are mountains at Hakuba not a large hill. But the worst was way worse than I would ever expect at Niseko. Not sure who wins that battle. Would we go back to Hakuba -probably, not sure -yes if it didn't rain again!

    Other:
    Got the Chuo taxi (mini bus) from the airport to Hakuba -soo easy and comfortable I would do it again. On the way home we did the bus/shink/NEx much more interesting was to travel and equally simple.
    Stayed at Double Black and would recommend it without hesitation.
    Hakuba is less of a Japanese experience than Niseko -but if you have been to Japan before that is not an issue.
    The Japanese are more friendly at Niseko than Hakuba (marginal).

    I realise the last two may be somewhat contraversial, however, we discussed them with others at Double Black and there was broad agreement.

    One final thing, I realise now that I am a truely crap photographer -all those snaps on this website of people casually skiing knee or deeper powder are much harder to capture than one might expect given the amount of snow we had!
     
  49. Go Native

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    There's no real battle. Ski both, they offer very different experiences.
     
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    Agreed and maybe that sums up what I was alluding too. Each its own experience.