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Hakuba -2012 thread links and stuff

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Donza, Nov 24, 2011.

  1. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Insane! Reading the story it looks like they didn't realise how far OOB they were due to visibility. Poor bugger.
     
  2. TJ

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    The area is roped off and they have gates.
    A mate of mine was nearly killed there last year. The story is here
     
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  3. Toto Warmlet

    Toto Warmlet One of Us

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    Poor buggar indeed.
    TJ, this just beggars the question, WTF have you been feuding with damian about?
    He and I have been feuding for our own reasons, still somewhat unclear to me.
     
  4. TJ

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    Still somewhat unclear to me too Toto.
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. tjilbee

    tjilbee Hard Yards

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    With all this snow coming down we should have enough to ski on in March. Counting down the weeks.
     
  6. seekingpow

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    Till April at this rate
     
  7. damian

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    My god you are a trivial attention seeker. What possible relevance to this thread or recent discussion does your post have? You gave me a mouthful months ago about being in the more general Japan thread, so I dropped out of it. Now you are seemingly wanting for something to agitate you and your self absorbed ego and so now you are in this thread trying to get it. I don't even read your posts, never did, I don't 'feud' with you either besides one small itchy moment, I don't even notice you. Who are you?? Grow up and get over your insecurities, who ever you are. Please make you lame attempts to bully some trouble elsewhere. Do you really think you and your goons matter? It is what you don't know that matters more.

    In other news, a person is apparently still missing in an assumed avalanche incident on the north side of Happo from a few days ago.
     
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  8. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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  9. Donza

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    Looks good CM

    If I can offer a critique...your grip on your inside pole is a bit tight...that will get you up and under when you scoot a tree on your left...
     
  10. Donza

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  11. Donza

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    Saw the SAR team on the exit between 47 and Happo. Also saw the Heli flying around looking for someone. They asked if we had seen someone with a green jacket and told us about the dangers. We dug a little test pit and it wasnt clear about stablity at all. 2 crusts with light snow sandwhiched in between. The light was so bad so we really couldnt see the snow still very sugar like. An extened column test produced an ect 27 which wasnt so bad but I dont like the look of those crusts. Skied a very safe line to the bottom and went home.
     
  13. Toto Warmlet

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    who am i?
    well I'm not a Rhodes Scholar and you don't have to be one to realise my comments actually were a dig at TJ, but anyway I have pressed the ignore button and will not respond to any of the stuff above and see how it works, and I will keep on doing the stuff I always have and nobody has to watch or read any of it.
    Catch up with some of you in Japan soon.
    cheers TW.
     
  14. damian

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    TW - I can't work it out. You have habit of appearing out of the blue and kind of jabbing at me. I assumed this was another one that really seemed out of place. If I was wrong - sorry for the double-jab back. It does not matter. Enjoy your travels.

    It's Japan. Image is more important than substance?
     
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  15. Donza

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    All that epic terrain and a.star takes em to some glades that have tracks.weird...
     
  16. CarveMan

    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    There's better stuff than that 50m from a lift.
     
  17. Donza

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    Cortina is trying to make money from the old resort!
     
  19. damian

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    early_crow First Runs

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    Is it possible to leave a snowboard bag at Shinjuku station for a few hours while checking out some ski shops? We're gonna have a few hours to kill before our bus to Hakuba.
     
  21. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you're heading into Tokyo station first, drop your bags at the Gin No Suza meeting place (inside the JR Tokyo station gates and down stairs in Gransta) There is a "cloke room" there where you can leave oversized items for 500yen.
    The ski shop area is closer to Tokyo station than Shinjuku (two stops). You can then catch the JR Chuo Rapid line to Shinjuku later.
     
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    early_crow First Runs

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    Cheers Sandy. We'll be coming in on the Limousine bus from Narita, then hopping onto the Keio Highway Bus later that afternoon.
     
  23. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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  24. Donza

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    can you buy tickets for the 11.pm bus at shinjuku..? just walk up?

    just a idea if my plane gets delayed
     
  25. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Usually, it's better to book, but I'd say if there's spare seats, you could just front up if you know where the ticket office is.
     
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  26. Donza

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    I have two scenarios
    Plane is on time… shink to nagano…smitty picks me up at a reasonable hour
    Plane is delayed.. I goto Shinjuku and catch highway bus up

    The only other drama is alerting smitty to the fact I’ll be on time or delayed

    Oh well
     
  27. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Skype smitty on a smartphone via wifi....
     
  28. parkmonkey

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    Just send him a text message when you land tightass.
     
  29. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Why not catch the Hakubus direct from Narita.

    They will wait for delayed planes ... within reason
     
  30. Snorkler

    Snorkler Part of the Furniture

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    That's why he sticks to cross country skiing, can't afford to go anywhere else [​IMG]
     
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  31. Donza

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    yeah where will the wifi be?

    thats the ??
     
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  32. Donza

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    smitty no phone
     
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  33. Donza

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    would rather avoid it
    a long bus ride
     
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    I looked at the exact spot when I was leaving on Sunday, and figured that's where it must have been.... but you couldn't really tell from the road, aside from the lack of smoothness on the slope.
     
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    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Most hotels have wifi.... won't he be in a hotel at Hakuba?
     
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  37. Donza

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    no me...i won't have data
     
  38. TJ

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    In reference to the avi pic. I knew a guy who was out there just before it happened. He said it was sliding all over the place so he got the hell out of there. A good lesson that you don't actually have to be the one to set off the slide to get caught up in it.
     
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    Awesome morning of deep pow and still snowing now.
     
  40. damian

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    That photo prompted me to make this post.

    I instruct AST Level 1 avalanche courses in Hakuba. So too does Evergreen. For the benefit of those who follow this thread, here is a snippet of what is taught.

    Four classic characteristics of avalanche start zones:

    Of primary concern:

    1. Slope steepness: Avalanches happen on slopes above 30 degrees, with 35-45 being where most avalanches occur.

    2. Slope aspect relative to the wind: Slopes near ridge lines that collect wind-transported snow have inherently unstable windslab on them. This is called top-loading. Also be aware of mid-slope areas where the wind has blown across the slope and loaded each gully (no, they are not half-pipes). This is called cross-loading.

    Generally of secondary concern, however still very important:

    3. Slope aspect relative to the sun: the sun weakens snow rapidly, particularly on steep slopes and particularly immediately after a storm or late in a hot day in spring. Steep sunny slopes also have complicated weak layers associated with sun crusts, particularly in places like Hakuba.

    4. Slope ground roughness and anchoring: slopes with very little vegetation and small rocks/smooth ground offer virtually no anchoring for the snow and are much easier to trigger avalanches on.

    That slope is a perfect example of all of these avalanche start zone characteristics. So when you look at that photo, learn from what happened there.

    Within an avalanche start zone the most sensitive trigger points to start an avalanche are:

    1. areas of convexity/blind rollovers
    2. unsupported slopes such and above cliffs and rapidly steepening areas
    3. below cornices
    4. at the toe of a rock face
    5. near isolated rocks and trees on an open slope
    6. skiing over shallow areas of the slope such as over barely buried rocks.
    7. generally right up near the ridgeline. Take the safest most conservative route into a large open slope. Don't go in red hot from the top. This isn't a ski movie.

    Be aware of what characterises an avalanche start zone and what the most sensitive trigger areas are. Also be aware that avalanches happen on slopes that do not meet all those criteria. If you are not keenly alert to the changing character of the terrain that you are on, and the character of the terrain which is below you and above you, then you are in over your head and would be better staying on simple low angle (30 degrees and under) terrain in forested areas.

    Digging snow pits will not keep you alive. Understanding basic avalanche conditions combined with observing how terrain works will keep you alive.

    Respect the mountains - they do not owe anyone a god damned thing and don't care who you are or if you have a Go Pro. An avalanche can snuff you out in a moment, the world will forget you forever, and the mountains will simply remain silent.

    Hakuba Avalanche bulletin: http://nadare.jp/alert/index.html (pay attention to the valid date)
     
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    Good post damien...

    when you think of the experienced people that have been killed in Avalanches you appreciate that in the words of Jeremy Jones "no one is above the law".
     
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    Poor bastard didn't stand a chance.
    No wonder they had trouble finding him, the length of the slide and the depth in the debris zone was very large.
     
  43. parkmonkey

    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Text the missus at home and get her to skype smittty.
     
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    smitty will be in nagano
    he is picking the car up at the hire place..waiting around for a bit
    anyways...
     
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  45. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Tell Smitty to sleep in the car till you get there...?
     
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    parkmonkey Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'd also tell him to make sure there was cold beer and he'd better get up and wax my board/ski's in the morning [​IMG]
     
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  47. Donza

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    I think i'm going to ring FT and tell him what time I get there...and smitty can ring as well
    they have pay phones on the shink hey..?
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    That sounds the best option, unless you've both got a 3G phone or tablet with Skype

    Otherwise ring the Maccas in Nagano Station and get them to pass on a note.
     
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    Talking of pay phones on the shink - what do they take i.e. coins, notes, cards or what.
    Need to ring accommodation once I'm on the train and will be a bit of an idiot if I haven't got the right coin?
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, they take coins or just buy a Y1000 phone card from the convenience store before you get on the train.