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Travel Life Hakuba 2020

Discussion in 'Japan' started by BMWRX, Oct 13, 2019.

  1. Lucky Pete

    Lucky Pete One of Us

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    Another beautiful spring like day in the sun today. Waited until it warmed up a bit as I like slush so all good. :) Tomorrow on the other hand is looking a little grim Chrisj, maybe a day off?. Looks to be solid snow Mon and Tues, with Tues and Wed being the best riding. :)
     
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    Heading home to Sydney today. Bus to Haneda and then a five hour wait for our flight. With the poor snow conditions that we’ve had I would say three weeks has been to long. But I guess if we had had awesome conditions my body would be saying three weeks is to long anyway. I’ve had a good time with good hosts and good travel companions. And any skiing beats any work any day, so I’ll take that. I’ll be back. I definitely have unfinished business here. Nice to meet a few of you briefly Tony, Lucky Pete, Sandy. I hope that the snow this morning keeps falling and that you get great conditions for the remainder of the season. All the best. :emoji_call_me:
     
  3. Lucky Pete

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    Great to meet you Spence, it sure has been a different season to say the least. The 20cm we had last night was dry on ice so you didnt miss much, especially in the trees. All the best and hopefully see you back here next year :)
     
  4. Kimski

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    I think 2 weeks is a good length of time for most trips. The problem with only having 1 week or slightly more is just as your body stops aching and you get any boot issues ironed out you have to go home :cry:

    Did you get to ski any other areas apart from Hakuba this trip? I was lucky enough to have the bulk of this trip in Shiga Kogen which was a good choice given the season we've been having.
     
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    Went to Sanosaka first time yesterday because, long weekend crowds, some nice fresh snow and possible wind closure of top lifts. Also previously @Lucky Pete recommended for just such situation.

    Not a bad place. Certain coolness factor of trains passing right next to you. Snow was good and there were few people(for a long weekend). First couple hours there was really nice fresh on the sides of the runs and it kept snowing. Place seems really nice to practice moguls, one of the reds(really green) above the lake has a very nice not too steep section marked. The bad part.. on one of the runs/paths from the restaurant had rocks under the snow, not just one, gravel covered in layer of fresh. Patrol really should have closed it. As it is going to need to ptex my skis a good amount :(

    Chairlift bar is pretty cool looking place. Too bad I was driving and in general I rarely drink during the day when skiing. Did not notice if they had any heated wine or cider would have been pretty cool, maybe I could convince wife to take over driving back

    But to be objective for a less busy place on long weekend I think Kashima is better, more runs, steeper etc also a lot cheaper 4100 yen (lift + 1000 yen food voucher) vs 5200. They do seem to be trying to keep the place alive(dog runs, nice website and promo material) not sure if they will succeed. One can hope someone buys Aokiko and the three will be linked again. Would be really worth to go there then.
     
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  6. BMWRX

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    My partner and I are heading up from Brisbane on Friday. We are skiing from Sunday for six days straight (weather dependent), so hopefully conditions turn a bit more favourable.

    Sanosaka was somewhere we were planning to hit up early in the week as a quiet place to get our skis back under us, so it's good to hear a positive review of it.

    I see Norikura and Tsugaike have turn too dirt at the lower ends. Is this caused by recent rain? Either way, it should be an epic week as it's our first foray into Japanese snow.
     
  7. Annabuzzy

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    I’m pretty sure Sanosaka and nearby resorts are located lower than the Hakuba majors like Goryu 47 Happo Cortina etc.
     
  8. Sandy

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  9. Sandy

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    The base of Sanosaka is not especially low.... higher than Norikura, and similar to Iwatake & Happo. And Kashimayari base is higher than all except Cortina.
     
  10. Annabuzzy

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    I stand corrected Sandy san!!

    I assume top elevation lower?
     
  11. Sandy

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    It's only 1200m
     
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  12. BMWRX

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    Tsugaike. Not pretty.
     
  13. fukuro-no-mori

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    On a long weekend, the Kashimayari onsen should also be open. Its on the rooftop of the main building in the center of the resort. On a sunny day when you can see the alpine peaks (Kashimayari-dake itself), the outdoor bath is really nice.
     
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  14. smackies

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    Sheeeeeesh. That photo of tsugaike is ugly.

    Season 2019/2020 needs to just be put to rest and hope that the new normal ain't normal.
     
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  15. Donzah

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    Hakuba is done.
    Time to move on :(
     
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  16. fukuro-no-mori

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    40-50% average season snowfall
    Total precip is average, so rainfall 150%-200% up???
    average +2.5C temps for two whole months.

    It's been a shocker.
     
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  17. smackies

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    Hai.
     
  18. Donzah

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    Aye.
    I was just lucky to get five days of 12 as sun or snow.
     
  19. southpaw

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  20. Joe

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    I love the place and accept its a bit hit and miss. Skied there over 10 years ago and experienced spring conditions in Feb. Learnt my lesson, skied 5 seasons since but never paid for accommodation until weeks out.

    Flights paid to Narita only just incase I wanted to whip up north. With the valley spread Iv'e always picked up accommodation, hire a car and ya laughing.....
     
  21. Sandy

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    Or go to Shiga Kogen....
    I spent a week there up to last Wed, and going again this Thu.
     
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    Hopefully that's not entirely true. I'm hoping to have some fun on the slopes next week.

    However, if some resorts have gone to poo, then that means more people will be concentrated onto fewer resorts and getting in each others' way...........it'll be just like Cardrona or Coronet!
     
  23. Kimski

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    Yeah, I love Hakuba when the snow is good but Shiga Kogen was a much better bet this year.
     
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    How can I get to Nori from echoland?
     
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    Got in around midnight last night. Nice view to wake to. Hotel de Laile.
     
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  26. Annabuzzy

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    I’m not aware of a bus specifically to Norikura from Echoland. So far as I know your options are a bus to Cortina and wander over, a taxi, or drive yourself there.
     
  27. Donzah

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    I thought a bus leaves from Base Camp.
     
  28. Annabuzzy

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    I’ve only ever got there by car or over from Cortina but you’re probably right.
     
  29. Donzah

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    You can almost walk from TSG to Norikura. It's not far at all.
     
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    Spoke with a local who has lived here for most of his 70 years today. Worst season he can ever remember. There are fields that are normally pulled chest high with snow but are just rocks at the moment.

    It's frightening how poor Happo looks. We start skiing tomorrow and we'll have to stay way up the top to get decent runs.

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  32. snowgum

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    Certainly looking like an early spring this year. On the other there is still double the useable vertical of the major Aussie hills bar Thredbo.
     
  33. TJ

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    Haaaaaaa. yeah it's shite
     
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    Where is that?

    We are locked into Happo today as we have a lesson in the morning but we're trying to get a read on the best of what's available at the other fields and there's not much info in the valley.

    47 and Goryu look ok from a distance (while standing at the ski jump) so we'll likely head there tomorrow.

    The whole thing is frustrating as Happo looks sensational from the town...if only it was fully covered in snow.
     
  35. Sandy

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    At Hakuba, the best us not right at the bottom!!!
     
  36. TJ

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    Drop into the White Horse in Echoland and I will give you the run down on where to go. I am at the bar at 5 everyday. Happo will be good today.
     
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    Cmon post it, sharing is caring.
     
  38. Lucky Pete

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    47 has had the best top to bottom coverage all year. Goryu was riding well on Friday as was top of Iwatake and Sanosaka.
     
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    Happo today and it was.....EPIC! it craps on anything I've skied in NZ. Even with just Kitaone (we went up via the Sakka lift) and up available it was everything I could have asked for.

    Skyline for the morning then had some fun right up the top on the moguls. It took me an hour to work out how to get back onto Skyline side to get back to the bottom via the Sakka lifts. There was a brief moment of panic when I realised I was the only person left on the mountain after the clock had ticked past 4pm a while back. Thankfully found my way eventually by following a snowboarder (I knew they were useful for something) who was feeling as equally concerned about spending the night on the mountain.

    Tossing up between Goryu and Sanosaka tomorrow. My partner wants a bit of confidence in easier and wider runs, so Sanosaka might be the go.
     
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    Go to Tsugaike
     
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    Decent beginner runs?

    EDIT: It looks a good option. Just need to figure out how to get there from Wadano (we're up near the Rabbit Hole).
     
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    Probably the best if there is snow on them.
     
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    No idea beyond knowing that every bus leaves from base camp.
    Or you could Taxi.
    *why having a car in Hakuba is a goer
     
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    Up the top will have the best snow-beginner runs in the valley IMO
    anywhere above Burger King.
     
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    Should be a bus from Sakka area if they are still running.
     
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    The next time we come we'll get a car. Which means we can stay somewhere a bit out of town with a kitchen to save on the scary food prices in restaurants in town.
     
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    We didn't eat out once at dinner in Hakuba last trip.

    Food prices though? Zen isn't that expensive for what you get. Emu is decent feed for cheap.
    Gravity works. Great pasta for reasonable price.
     
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    Eagle Lodge/Shogun Bar is where we are parked at the moment. Good beer prices, relaxed atmosphere and great pizza. The Pub (last night) was terrible and horrifically expensive.
     
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    IMO you're paying double up that end of town from say...down near the train station.
     
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    Ramen is always cheap. Don’t leave without an Iwatake ramen lunch.
     
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