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Question Hakuba - Bring Avi Gear?

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Lonepeak, Dec 30, 2017.

  1. Lonepeak

    Lonepeak Hard Yards

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    I’ve never been there. I love sidecountry, but won’t be doing backcountry. Is avalanche gear a good idea. It’s easy to bring since I live in Okinawa, but won’t bother if unnecessary. Any thoughts?
     
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    Yes.
    Sidecountry= backcountry (especially in hakuba)
     
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  3. Lonepeak

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    K. Thanks.
     
  4. Lonepeak

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    Actually, I may have misstated the question...

    Off-piste skiing but lift served. I doubt I will be venturing far from the area and will probably be within the area boundaries at all times.

    Still bring?
     
  5. dawooduck

    dawooduck relaxed and comfortable Ski Pass: Gold

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    Avi Gear is only as good as the friends you are skiing with.
     
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  6. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well, do you mean you will cross the resort ropes into uncontrolled terrain, or stay within the ropes, but access untracked snow?
     
  7. HoopDogg

    HoopDogg Hard Yards

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    Hakuba has some serious terrain that is literally just out of bounds. goryu /47 has a hectic face that has claimed a few "within" the resort boundary (but roped off). You will find most hakuba resorts are pretty anti off piste within the resort anyway, except Cortina.
     
  8. Draizuh

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    I just usually ski with mine everywhere. JIC.
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you're tossing up I'd say just bring it. Better safe than sorry
     
  10. Lonepeak

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    I wasn’t planning to duck any ropes. Cortina is on the to do list.

    Guess I will bring it.
     
  11. nfip

    nfip Cold n' Rusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    True.
    Will allow S&R locate you also., may not save but to locate and recover worst case .
     
  12. Lucky Pete

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    If you want to ride backside Cortina, avie gates etc Avie gear plus a crew is a must IMHO.
     
  13. Lucky Pete

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    This! Most years people die in our "side country" . Last year it was a Young father that didnt melt out until April and Cortina back side has already claimed a life this year.
     
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    FatBoyDave One of Us Ski Pass: Silver

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    There are some lift accessed side country gates at Tsugaike Kogen. Just need to do the induction to get the badge/sticker.
    A few of the areas are very visible tree runs from top of the run to a cat track exit, and you could probably do on your own. Other gates are out the back I wouldn't be doing on my own as the return area is at one of the dam walls, but is a ski out.

    All great fun. If you are on your own, consider a group tour.. Evergreen do a pretty good one with small numbers (at least when I did it). There are plenty of other operators in the valley though, so plenty of options.
     
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  15. Draizuh

    Draizuh One of Us

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    FYI Sidecountry isnt a thing. Backcountry or Inbounds. there are no exceptions.
     
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  16. Lucky Pete

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    Boom! And there it is. Thanks Draizuh. My favorite post of the year.
     
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    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’ve skied more than one inbounds & inside the ropes line in more than one J ski field that warranted standard avy kit.

    The avy kit goes in the packing pile before anything else.

    Simples.
     
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  18. Draizuh

    Draizuh One of Us

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    As i say, i always wear it. i pretty much always ride with a pack too, may aswell get used to riding with it.
     
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  19. LMB

    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’ve stopped using ‘sidecountry’ in conversation, now use ‘lift accessed backcountry’ for this exact reason.
     
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  20. Draizuh

    Draizuh One of Us

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    Yeah, its totally a thing to, with a bit of traversing in the right direction you can get into decent BC terrain. Happo for example. Personally i hope to find myself in some in a few weeks time!
     
  21. Lucky Pete

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    Id be careful mate, already hearing reports of stupidity on the north faces of Happo (No packs, dropping together etc etc) and very few folks I know will go near the south faces due to the nature of the terrain, sun etc. We are seeing large natural release avies up high here too. People whose opinions I really value are reporting it appears to be a persistent weak layer fairly deep which would correspond with the warmer weather and rain we had just before the last big storm. ( B. Glude pic)
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    Lot of riders/skiers without packs out gates up this way too. I don’t think they are aware of the risks...bit of a worry hey?!
     
  23. Lucky Pete

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    I wont ride certain areas here in the valley after mid Dec until late Feb for just that reason. Risks to me from those guys. If people are stupid to put their own lives at risk Im starting not to care so much as most that are found with no gear/no idea or making fundamental mistakes (dropping together) refuse to listen anyway.

    Part of the problem is we are seeing more people that have ridden out of the Niseko gates without a clue coming here and not recognizing how different the terrain is from a risk perspective. Its generally a spring melt out here for body recovery so their families are the ones that suffer the most like last year with the young doctor at Happo, although its far from certain if he accidentally or deliberately rode off the side.

    I do feel for the rescue teams though most of which would have their own families and put themselves at risk trying to find the baka when they are taken. Yama is King.
     
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    Always wear your avi beacon over your base layer.
    At least out of consideration for the recovery team.
     
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    I thought sidecountry = backcountry accessed by lift, minimal or zero uphill travel, often off to the side of the resort.
    e.g. most gated areas which you can ski back to lifts from
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    So, that's a thing right?
    Shouldn't need be a dirty word, just bring your avalanche skills and gear and friend

    I guess how far you are going from the boundary determines if it's side- or back- country?
     
  26. blowfin

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    Lift accessed OOB = sidecountry basically. But really, once you leave the resort, it's all just backcountry and the same respect and practices should be applied in all terrain.
     
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    Sorry I just read my post, yes that was what i meant to point out
    Sidecountry = backcountry (that is situated to the side of a lift)
    What's wrong with that term?
     
  28. Draizuh

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    Not coming to Hakuba, i just meant lift accessed BC ;)
     
  29. Donzah

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    The term alludes the terrain is safer.
    Where at somewhere like happo ridge. It's not.
     
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    Got it.
    I was just thinking that too, a lot of people also say "sidecountry" for inbounds offpiste zones too, (i.e. controlled zones)

    Which should be less risky, but if you have the gear why not use it
     
  31. blowfin

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    More applicable in places like Canada I reckon. Definitely stuff inbounds at say - Whistler and Revy - that you'd be able to call "sidecountry". In Japan, not so much, just because of the size of resorts and their locations.

    The problem is people who leave the resort unprepared, and the theory is that the terms "Sidecountry" and "Slackcountry" encourage it. Frankly I think that assertion is drawing a pretty long bow.
     
  32. Vermillion

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    Surely this is a troll?
     
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    The whole thread or blowfin's post? - nothing wrong with the latter imo
     
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    I think the OP LOL said the dirty words "I love sidecountry, but won’t be doing backcountry"

    Do threads ever get closed here? This one probably needs it.
     
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    Yeah now seen ;) (in fairness to the thread starter based on their experiences to-date that may have been a reasonable description but Hakuba is a really gnarly place and it doesn't really matter what you call the terrain segments, boundaries, etc.. in Hakuba anywhere can bite and I think that point has been made to death over the years!!)
    And yes, mods close threads
     
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    If someone was asking whether or not they should bring avi gear to Hakuba and were planning on skiing off marked trails, i'd want to know where they planned on skiing so I could stay the hell away from them.
     
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    The OP mentioned that he will be inbounds off piste only (post 4),
    Terminology may be wrong but a valid question for someone who is new to off piste and new to Japan.
    Asking questions helps gain knowledge and understanding, everyones got to start somewhere.
     
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  38. blowfin

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    Everywhere, better stay home.
     
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