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Hakuba thread 2013/14

Discussion in 'Japan' started by M_G, Sep 19, 2013.

  1. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    New Hakuba thread for 2013/14

    Crew list:
    damian: Hakuba resident
    TJ: Hakuba resident
    Smackies: 21 Dec - 26 Jan
    Jeffo: Jan 2-10
    BigWaveDave: 5-15 Jan
    Moz: 7-28 Jan
    Blue_Cruiser +1: Jan 11-19
    Tobey I: 6 nights Mid Jan
    Barras + Mrs Barras, SIL, BIL, nephew, niece:13 - 25 Jan
    Karbon +4: 17 - 27 Jan
    mick chopps +3 or 4: 27 Jan - 2 Feb
    Sandy: 8 - 11 Feb
    Winter + 3: February 8-16
    Skiwah: Late Feb

    Webcam:
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    When the ground turns white get excited! [​IMG]

    Links:
    http://wikiski.com/wiki/index.php/hakuba_valley]Hakuba Wikiski[/url]
    http://ski.com.au/holidays/search.php?q=region:Hakuba:&stateFilter=Nagano&countryFilter=Japan&categoryFilter=Package&sort=relevance&view=row]Hakuba packages[/url]
    http://weather.yahoo.com/japan/nagano-prefecture/hakuba-station-28366761/]Yahoo weather[/url]
    http://vill.hakuba.nagano.jp/english/top/ski/index.html ]Official Hakuba website[/url]
    http://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.snownavi.com/&ei=r7DNTv_mMc2aiAezzoHbDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCIQ7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=snow+navi&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=D5k&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&prmd=imvns]SnowNavi[/url] - this site (Japanese) has the ski discount vouchers, blogs, informal reports and lots of cool pics
    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=204954916798608822140.000484924be1cab1833b4&source=embed&t=m&vpsrc=6&ll=36.697191,137.862625&spn=0.178931,0.11673&z=13]Hakuba Google map[/url]

    https://www.ski.com.au/xf/posts/1690401]2012/13 Hakuba thread[/url] - but post new questions here
     
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  2. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Bump. So no-one is asking anything about Hakuba this year?
     
  3. mick chopps

    mick chopps Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Plenty covered in the planning thread I guess.

    I have a question. Applies to Noz also.
    Where do those with the experience recommend for hiring powder skis? Gonna take my 90mm all mountains (that's all I've got) but fully expecting to have to hire some boats for the deep days.
    What's the sting like for a set powder skis for a day?
     
  4. JoeKing

    JoeKing Old n' Thrusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Depends on where you're staying a bit. But if you're near these guys, I really recommenced.

    http://www.evergreen-hakuba.com/japan-ski/

    Admittedly, I didn't hire my skis from them when I was in Haks (prolly should have -wink-) but I did visit there often to buy bickies and vino and they helped me immensely with directions regarding the buses to the other villages.
     
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  5. mick chopps

    mick chopps Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks JK! We're gonna do a bc tour with them so that ties in nicely! Have the car so location not a major issue.
     
  6. JoeKing

    JoeKing Old n' Thrusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Easy peasy then.

    Yeah the big bearded guy in there, I've forgotten his name(!), after a few days eventually noticed me dragging my sorry arse through the door and would yell out from behind the desk "Where ya off to today, mate!"

    Whilst at the counter buying snacks I mentioned we need something to keep our skis together when carrying. They gave us two of those little velcro strap thingys for free which is always has resided in my suit pocket ever since. Think of them every time I'm hoofin' it with the skis.

    Very fond memories.
     
  7. Angus_McCrory

    Angus_McCrory Old n' Crusty

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    Evergreen guys are a good bunch..... though though it would be easier to take phat skis and hire skinny skis if required.
     
  8. Seth

    Seth Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hakuba accom.

    What;s your recommendation?
     
  9. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    What's your budget?

    You will have a car (right?), so it's not so much an issue about location if you will always be driving to your mountain of choice. However, walking to a place to eat is easier, so I'd suggest somewhere around Echoland.

    If you didn't have a car, then I'd stay around the area near the Sakka lifts of Happo.
     
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  10. Seth

    Seth Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Preference is to not have a car.

    Budget is not ridic but not backpacker.

    [​IMG]
     
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    CarveMan Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    If you're not renting a car then def consider White Horse in Echoland as they will drive you around.
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    we stayed at Double Black in Happo and that was very pleasant, about a 15 minute walk to the slopes though
     
  13. Tanuki

    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    In three visits weve stayed at:
    Blue Dragon 2010
    Hakuba House2011
    Hotel HIghmount 2013

    All three were great, i`d suggest Sakka as well.
    H House was great but has since changed hands.
    Hotel Highmount is the quintessential quirky japanese place = absolutely loved it. The staff were awesome, easy access to lifts, not far to food and the onsen is niiiiiiice. Food,meh big time.
     
  14. Tanuki

    Tanuki A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Euro mobs were occasionally hard to deal with though:)
     
  15. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    As Carveman says, any place that does "drop off/pick up" is ideal if you don't have a car.

    In fact, if you don't have a car, or a place with "drop off/pick up", it's ESSENTIAL to pick a good location, as the shuttles are not very good in some areas around Hakuba.

    If you don't choose a place with "drop off/pick up" and have no car, I always suggest the Sakka end of Wadano. Just around that area are Villa Hakuba, Luna and Penke Panke/Panketo Lodge. The last is where I stay when the people with me want budget accomm, but at the same time, they run a great operation. They do a late afternoon supermarket run & onsen as well, and it's only 40m from the shuttles to 47/Goryu & Iwatake,(it's the first stop so you always get a seat) and around 70m from the Sakka lifts of Happo.
     
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  16. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Blue Dragon has changed hands and is now called "Elk" iirc.
     
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  17. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yep, now called 'Elk' and owned by some people from Falls Creek. Damian (who momentarily seems to have vanished from the board here?) considered it wasn't as good under new management. Backing that up is that it gets some mixed reviews on Tripadvisor - http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-...ture_Chubu.html People either love it or they don't.
     
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  18. Bluebird

    Bluebird One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    I stayed at Elk last January and it seemed fine, but I have no basis for comparison! Booked it when it was still Blue Dragon as I know the then-owner's sister.
     
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    Probably Bill. If you can get on a tour with him you will learn a lot.
    More about Bill here
     
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  20. Vermillion

    Vermillion Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Either Hakuba Hakuba like CM said, or a similar place that will drive you around. I've noticed you're a bit of a crankypants, I wouldnt want you to get upset about not being able to get around Hakks.
     
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    Seth Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Not cranky, I just suffer fools poorly.
     
  22. sourmash

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    Have stayed at Hakuba Springs Hotel Rooms alittle small with retrofitted plastic bathroom, but great breakfast, onsen and very good location made it all good. Double Black and those at Wadano are a bit of a hike to bars, restaurants and lifts.
     
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  23. Dave85

    Dave85 Hard Yards

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    Hi all.

    What season passes are available in the Hakuba region?
    Can any of the Hakuba locals confirm if there is a similar combined resort season pass like the one in Nozowa/Myoko etc

    All i could find at the moment are the ones below

    Happe One Season Pass

    47 Season Pass

    Cortina Season Pass

    Iwatake Season Pass

    Tsugaike Season Pass

    Not sure what the Toga Pond Area covers

    I thought i found a website that had a combo of Iwatake and Tsugaike, though I'm unable to locate again.

    Which option/s would you consider when spending a season in Hakuba?
     
  24. GordonS

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    Hi , Staying at Echoland apartments in March 15th just to try out skiing.
    1) Best place to rent the gear, five days , four adults?
    2) Whats the best way to do lift passes, i dont think we could ski all day as we're absolute beginners, im booking lessons on the first day and have been told that after that we should do bunny runs (??) so would just
    getting the half day passes be better? (i see 47 has a special after march 17, 3800yen for a full day?)
    3) Snow shoeing and the snowmobiling, worth doing for the cost?

    Many thanks
     
  25. Tobey

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    Recommendations of where to get away from the crowds over the long weekend in January?
     
  26. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Best absolute beginners runs with lessons in English are over at Goryu, in the iimori area. Also try over at Tsugaike, as they a huge number of flat beginners runs at the bottom. The Sakka area is best for beginners at Happo.
     
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  27. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    On a long weekend, it gets quiet just about any place in central Japan after about 2pm on the last day. On Sat & Sun, get out there really early if you can, and have lunch at 11:30am or about 2pm.

    Happo is busy on a weekend, and I try not to ski there then. Tsugaike seems to have an absurdly long line to the gondola around 8:30-10am on those busy days.
    Cortina & Norikura dual mountain pass will not be too bad then. And Iwatake is never too bad.
     
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  28. Draizuh

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    dave85 this is the best value season pass for hakuba however it doesnt cover 47/goryu or happo. http://jtb.co.jp/ski/season/
    Kashimayari, sanosaka,tsugaike,iwatake,cortina/norikura.
    it also does some other areas such as myoko, yuzawa, tangram and madarao.
     
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  29. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Looks like it only does Akakura Onsen at Myoko.
     
  30. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    In case you didn't get the info from that site:

    15 days: 35,000 yen (not a season pass!!!)
    Unlimited: 49,800 yen

    I'd say that the 15 day pass may be useful, along with a specific season pass.
    e.g.
    Happo season pass + 15 day pass.
    Nozawa season pass + 15 day pass.
     
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  31. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Agree, the 15 days + a season pass will be useful for touring outside of a prescribed area.

    I'm still waiting to hear about the northern Nagano/Myoko pass. That will be perfect for me, as long as the price stacks up.
     
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    Hi Guys

    My partner and I are coming to Hakuba March 2 - March 12 2014. We are about to book a cool 2br villa and wanted to see if anyone else was going at the same time? We will have a second bedroom with twin beds available and own bathroom for $120pn AUD for 2. There is a drying room and underfloor heating, as well as washing machine and full kitchen. English TV channels and WIFI free. There is a shuttle to the supermarket as needed and resort shuttles also at the end of the driveway.

    We are 33 and 34 and both snowboarders (my boyfriend is a learner). We are happy to hang out with others or do our own thing. I've been to Hakuba 5 times now, so know a bit about the place [​IMG]

    If you want more info PM me!

    Cheers!
    Jemma
     
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    oops I should not it is in Wadano forest a few minutes walk to sakka kita quad. (Happo)
     
  34. Dave85

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    That season pass looks like what i need. The only thing I'm concerned about is how do i go about purchasing it from Australia?
    A quick website translation and it seems that i purchase with a CC then mail off a photo etc and then they return the pass (not to sure if it will be sent to Aus).
    This pass combined with a Happo mid week or Goryu season pass would amazing.

    Another note, can anyone provide some info on longer term cheap rental accommodation in Hakuba please.
    Looking at heading over and being out on the mountain as much as possible without having to work.
     
  35. Undies

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    Just booked today - the crew and I arrive in Happo part of town Jan 25, and leave Feb 5. Can't wait!!!
     
  36. M_G

    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Here's a great update from the Happo-one facebook page for what's new for 2013-2014 winter in Hakuba.

    The all mountain ticket is now called the Hakuba Valley Ticket and has expanded the available ski ares from Omachi to Otari with 12 ski resorts in total - Happo-one, Iwatake, Tsugaike, Goryu&47, Sanosaka, Minekata, Cortina, Norikura, Jiigatake, Kashimayari and Yanaba

    The free ski shuttle bus service will also now run from Omachi to Hakuba.

    Iwatake has also expanded powder courses.

    Tsugaike Heli skiing & snowboarding will start from 1st March.
     
  37. Sandy

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    Q1. How much is the valley pass?

    Q2. Where are the Iwatake expanded powder courses? ( Suspect that they may already have been used, but are now marked)

    Q3. Tsugaike Heli skiing & snowboarding will start from 1st March. I think that is earlier than before, but when does the ropeway open?
     
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  39. Draizuh

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    There were a few old runs at iwatake that had lifts that never ran last time i was there.
    You mean to say that people finally figured out white people want to ride untracked pow? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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  40. Sandy

    Sandy Dark Sith Lord of the Pool Room Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Seems to me that there's lot of Japanese girls every bit as white as you Kiwis [​IMG]


    I've never seen the Kamoshika #2 pair running. It's down the main ridge, then off to the slider's left before you head across the narrow link to the lower part of the mountain) You can walk up to it (easy) and hit the powder there for at least a couple of days after a dump. (Hikage course)

    There is a black powder run off the bottom of Kamoshika #4 pair, that takes you to the bottom of Kamoshika #3 pair, but it's not open all the time. (but you could duck the rope)
     
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  41. Draizuh

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    I used to ride hikage all the time because i never saw it running. but the run was awesome.In fact my avatar is on hikage.
    Ditto with View A off the back.
    Iwatake patrollers always seemed more interested in snow sculpting than chasing rope duckers.
    Beware the cameras on a few lift lines though..
    There appears to be an old course lookers left of the Kamo 1 chair down the bottom.
     
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    Maybe Course A over back or below K4 lift which were always roped off some years ago. Chased off Course A but lifties seemed to look other way below K4. Powder off top of K2 was excellent !
     
  43. Sandy

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    Iwatake is a powder rider's secret place, because nobody ever goes there on a powder day..... they go to Cortina instead.
     
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    Is that Hakuba Valley a season pass, or just the multi day pass option available?
    Lets hope it works out to be cheaper than JTB season pass at 49,800 and a happo weekday early bird at 45,000.
    Anyone else heard of the price and application process as of yet?

     
  45. Vermillion

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    It's because the powder at Iwatake is crap and you should stay the flamboyant_expletive away from it on a fresh day.
     
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    depending how socked in the valley is I'll offer..
     
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    Possibly even down to the second carpark on the other side of the hill? Either that or they've gladed some of the awesome terrain out the back that leads to the double double lifts.
     
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  49. Draizuh

    Draizuh One of Us

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    Haha Norikura is the place to head if its good. That snake run gave me the most insane faceshots i think ive ever received. Plenty of scope in the trees.
     
  50. Donza

    Donza Pool Room

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    2013-14 Hakuba Cortina Early bird Season Pass
    GET 10,000 yen OFF from the regular price.
    Apply by November 30th!!

    Early bird Season Pass
    Adult:25,000yen (reg.35,000yen)
    Child(6-12yrs) 10,000yen (reg. 18,000yen)

    Also, 1 month pass is available.
    Adult: 16,000yen
    Child(6-12yrs) 8,000yen
    http://www.hgp.co.jp/language/english/hakuba/index.html
     
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