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Hakuba tree skiing

Discussion in 'Japan' started by meen, Jun 20, 2010.

  1. fattwins

    fattwins One of Us

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    Yeah but again with Hakkoda they are open but they arent patrolled or controlled.
    Most of the really good terrain is hike to stuff as well.

    Hachimantai was the go to resort up there but died a bubble death!
     
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    There was a rumour Hatchimantai would re open ?????

    Wonder how much it would cost to buy ?????
     
  3. M_G

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    It would nice to see it begin a new life but the problem with reopening an already closed resort is that, 1) the maintenance costs are much higher, and 2) many of the attached restaurants, lodgings, etc. need to be reopened and repopulated. I'm checking with a couple of contacts to see if they know anything about it.
     
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    There is also the problem of the outstanding debt.
    Many resorts in Japan are operated at a loss to give the major company
    behind them a tax break. A large rental car company has a small resort for just
    this purpose.
     
  5. danman4349

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    Hmmm I am going to be coming over to Hakuba for 3 months this season working part time. I was going to get a season pass for Hakuba 47, however I love venturing into the trees in search of some fresh tracks, which is obviously not an issue in Canada where i have been for the last two seasons.

    Now I am worried I am going to loose my season pass as i wont be able to resist the trees im sure [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    oh baby
    never looked at this thread before and sort of glad,real venomous stuff early on so
    only read 1/2 of it
    enjoy your powder safely
     
  7. Sandy

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    Then maybe get a Happo season pass, and do day tickets at Goryu/47.
     
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    ^ That's what I'd do.
     
  9. Belly

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    Same, same, and same

    PS tree sking is fun but overrated
     
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  10. damian

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    What the other two said, do not buy a 47 pass if you can not resist temptation. You will very likely lose it. Buy one for Happo and do trips to Cortina.
     
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  11. danman4349

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    hmmm the only thing is the hostel im going to be working/staying at is right near the base of hakuba 47, and i was going to be able to sqeeze in some runs before work. [​IMG]

    Why would you say to get Happo, is is because it has more "legal" trees? or because they are more easy going with rope ducking?

    So with Hakuba 47 is there any places i could go with a small hike (say just out of bounds) where it is allowed to go, and would be safe without avi gear and use of some common sense? [​IMG]

    thankyou heaps for your help
     
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  12. Sandy

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    What time do you start work??
     
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    11am i think
     
  14. Sandy

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    [​IMG]

    Plenty of time!!!

    BTW, are you locted at Goryu or Hakuba 47??

    I can't recall any hotels/hostels anywhere near the base of 47....
     
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    hostel near the base of 47
    k's backpackers
     
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  17. danman4349

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    oh oops [​IMG] then yes that is it
     
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  18. Sandy

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    Shuttle buses Goryu - > Happo probably start at 8am-8:30am. See if you can find out.
     
  19. timmyhugecans

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    Be tough to get to happo and back by 11 on public transport. But if u consistently ride OUB in Goryu-47 u will loose your pass. There is Great BC of both sides though.
     
  20. Sandy

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    Timmy, if he rides BC from Goryu/47 early, would he get back for an 11am shift?
     
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  21. damian

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    The trees are much better at 47, but Happo patrol is much more relaxed when it comes to enforcing the rules (except in a few key areas).

    Yes, those places exist. But it is all prime avalanche terrain.

    So...

    I am afraid to say, absolutely not at all. I'll be blunt, but honestly not intending to be rude: in that terrain the phrases "be safe without avi gear" and "common sense" do not belong together. Of course, 'avi gear' does not make you safe anyway. Avoiding avalanches does.

    That area demands solid experience in making critical decisions in avalanche terrain, an equally skilled partner, the correct equipment, and plenty of practice using it.

    I teach avalanche courses in Hakuba and just finished a round of half-priced av1 courses for seasonal workers. Sorry you missed them, they were aimed at people just like you.

    Stay safe.

    Here is a new online avalanche course from the Canadian Avalanche Center. It is reasonably close to the AST1 curriculum. I recommend it.
    http://www.avalanche.ca/cac/training/online-course

    For the record, I lived right up the top of Goryu, higher than the base station, for two season and regularly skied the side country there. I know it pretty well and am pretty confident in my opinion.
     
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  22. danman4349

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    Thanks everyone!! Yes this is my fault for only deciding to come right at the last minute and not having time to plan it properly.

    Hmmm thats a bummer that av1 course sounds like it would have been very much useful.

    Cheers
     
  23. timmyhugecans

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    Goryu side no problem, 47 iffy! The Goryu side is awesome, but full on Terrain.
     
  24. Ben Zeenees

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    Interesting to read some of the earlier sections of this thread. KneeDeep and I visited Hakuba in Feb 2007. It was a bit wet - the lower resorts were all slush so we only skiied the top half of Happo-one and Hakuba 47/Goryu. While we enjoyed our time there we haven't considered returning. Too little variation for us - and too much fog! Bearing in mind we don't go backcountry and the off-piste areas were chopped up and had frozen in that state - so they were pretty much unskiable. We are good skiers - not expert but better than intermediate - so I don't think Hakuba would be much good for anyone between adventurous low intermediate and advanced. It would be great for experts kitted out to go backcountry.

    And Happo-one is the only ski resort I know of that boasts more lifts than trails.
     
  25. damian

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    Said like a man who didn't make it to Tsugaike ski area, just down the valley [​IMG]
    To be fair it probably has more to do with the sheer crowds that they have to (had to) move. On a weekend, when viewed from the valley, the runs look like they have been sprinkled with black sand. Crowded.

    And I agree that Hakuba is Japan's drawcard for the very adventurous/advanced type of people who automatically leave resort boundaries, either alone or guided. I run a guiding company and 95% of our revenue comes from Europeans who book months in advance knowing that they are coming to Hakuba for one thing and one thing only (and they typically come with all the required equipment in their luggage). As or the resorts, everyone has different tastes, but if I were solely a ski resort skier myself, I wouldn't live in Japan.
     
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    Good to see you dropped your minimum level of integrity. [​IMG]
     
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    How? Back it up and make it good.
     
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    I did my first day @ Goryu and Hakuba 47 today, and can def say it seems pretty hard to ski around barely a tree unless you go out of bounds. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Trees were good this morning at Happo. Snow quality was excellent.
     
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    Hi Dan, hows the new job?

    How easily can you and a ski partner get yourselves to Happo? 47/Goryu has vasty better trees on offer the the Happo scrub, but you see the rope issues already, so Happo will have to do. I'll drop you a PM with one well known spot that has northerly shade and a well placed bar along the track back to the next run.
     
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    Hi my name is TJ and I ride through trees in Hakuba. I've gone 1 hour without riding the trees. I'm a powderholic
     
  32. fattwins

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    Happo has many more trees than people think they do.
    Also much better pillow lines at happo.
     
  33. damian

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    It is a fun spot to ski. But to be really honest I think that "pillow-land" area in Happo is a bit (very) over-rated as a pillow zone. I know some North Americans who think the same. None of that really matters though because if you are happy there, then thats great.
     
  34. TJ

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    Who?
     
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    Actually three people - two Canadians and an American all who worked in the valley last season. Fun stuff at "pillow land", the rest has already been said. Relax. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
     
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    TJ

    do you do it on a season pass or just day passes?
    @47 as well or just happo?
     
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    47 and Happo and yes on a season pass. I do not bomb the places that are obvious. Watch the entry and exit points. Most importantly take note of the areas that may cause a slide onto the kat tracks. The last thing you want to do is hurt someone else. As with most places around the world if you go out of bounds then you will pay for the search and rescue if required. 47 also has the Double Black Diamond Club which you should join if you are here for the season.
     
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    can you join the double black diamond if you cant speak Japanese, I thought that I read that you had to be able to speak Japanese to take the course?
     
  39. TJ

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    Not sure. Do as I say not as I do (or don't do) <img src="https://www.ski.com.au/xf/styles/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="\:\/" title="smirk" height="15" width="15" />
    There will be some tree skiing in Hakuba tomorrow. You can betcha bottom dollar.
     
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    ok i asked apparently you can do it if you get someone to translate for you.

    Do you know which areas it supposdly gives legal access to?
     
  41. TJ

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    Yep. A really good area with wide trees and some good steep sections. Definitely worth the effort.
     
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    how does it compare to the legal trees at cortina though?
     
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    I hate interjecting like this, but I call a spade a spade: the Hakuba 47 double black diamond zone is a small area and does not even compare to anything at Cortina. It gets tracked out very fast by all accounts and is hardly worth the effort other than to support a resort making a middling attempt to meet the needs of modern freeride skiers and boarders. But if that is the motivation - go directly to Cortina, because they deserve the ticket sales for what they have done.
     
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    Of course anyone would have fun in the DBD zone so in that context, it is 'worth the effort'. But to rate it highly is to be misleading through over representation of fact.
     
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    You really have no idea
     
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    he's just stating his opinion - what is your opinion TJ.....the DBD trees are on par or better than Cortina?
     
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    Can you post and image or the trail map showing the DBD trees?
    help us all know the terrain of this argument / discussion
     
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    Except for the time I skied around the DBD area with the head of patrol, after which I went off ducking ropes with the head of patrol?

    I think people deserve a balanced view, not a strongly optimistic statement like it was prepared by a commercial ski resort promotional team (you know, the 'packed powder' type of guys)

    Any skier would have fun in the DBD area, because it is tree skiing in some fun terrain.

    Cortina is a positive thing in the valley with great trees and a relatively open policy - it is a good little ski area that deserves business. It will never compete with Niseko for open tree skiing, but it is great for Hakuba. I like the place a lot.
     
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    Haven't looked in this thread for ages. Reading the last few pages, and having holidayed in Hakuba several times, I think the balance of opinions is good.
     
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    Anyone looking for inbonds trees in Hakuba, go to Cortina!

    We were there today and it was amazing [​IMG] (check the other japan thread for some average youtube vids we took today).
     
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