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Hakuba tree skiing

Discussion in 'Japan' started by meen, Jun 20, 2010.

  1. damian

    damian A Local

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    ^ Spot on!

    Hakuba is in good condition right now.
     
  2. danman4349

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    skied Cortina today, must say i was VERY impressed with the tree skiing, (although i have been in a lull being at Goryu). There was 40cm of fresh as well which also influences my very impressed rating. Nice spaced trees over a fair sized area, very good fun.

    Ya im hoping to join the DBD at Hakuba when they open it, still none the wiser as to where you are allowed to go? Im going to guess somewhere around R3 ?
     
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    any body been to cortina in the last few days? many people around? have the trees been heaps tracked out early?
     
  4. damian

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    I was there today, all day. Quite empty, nearly every run we did (off-piste and also out of bounds) was untracked, right until close. It helps that collectively as a group we know exactly where to go and when to keep moving onto fresh snow one run after another. It would be misleading to say that you can just rock up there fresh and get everything the way you want it. Though to be honest, I saw plenty of untracked terrain at 3pm.

    The best days at Cortina are the days when no one bothers going to Cortina because 'it didn't snow much'.

    It was very good today.

    It now needs a top up. If it snows 15cm in town at hakuba, Cortina is worth the trip.

     
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    Here's something I found with a bit of googling - its a sidecountry guide, though be sure to read the warning at the top of the page. Dunno how useful it will be to anyone, it basically shows some of the lines the author has ridden and some 'potential' areas, though the usual warnings apply. Probably better off talking to locals who know the areas and conditions, but here it is regardless - http://taylor.veltrop.com/snowboarding.php
     
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  6. damian

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    Thats interesting. Good on him for making the effort.

    For the record, in Hakuba at least, the routes he has marked are not what people here call sidecountry. They are in bounds but off-piste skiing lift to lift.

    Oh, and it seems that no one is prepared to detail the Hakuba 47 Double Black Diamond club terrain. Which after the support it got previously, is kind of odd. If you look at that guys map, it is roughly in the strip of trees marked 1 in red. The "dangling cornices of ice" that he mentions are probably where the patrol do a bit of occasional avalanche control blasting at the top of a 'natural half pipe'.

     
  7. K@os

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    yeah more of a OOB or 'rope ducking' guide, not really outside of the resort boundary, which I guess is what you would call side country

    would be interesting to hear thoughts from locals on these lines - what's hot and what we should definately steer clear of
     
  8. damian

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    Yes, thats more like sidecountry.

    ps - I edited in a bit more info since posting, regarding the DBD Club at H47.
     
  9. K@os

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    cheers, very keen to hear more opinions on the various areas listed on this map.......and any other areas ppl wish to discuss [​IMG]
     
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  10. damian

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    It is interesting, I meet a lot of Fins here. They come prepared and make the most of their time in the valley. Many have topo maps printed out and have all sorts of places and terrain marked on them. Recently I asked how one guy knew of many places he had marked on his topo maps. I didn't ask because they are secret, rather because they are some of the more obscure/less obvious sidecountry areas. Apparently he got it all from the internet in Finland, where people are sharing info.

    The guy who marked-up those maps sure missed a lot. To be fair, Japanese piste maps are so bad that it is hard to even see a lot of the terrain (it isn't about the terrain in Japan, it is about the groomed runs).

    I believe a popular 'pillow' area in Happo has been offered as worthwhile in this thread. It is not marked on the Happo map at that link. I wonder if one of the promoters of said area will point it out?
     
  11. blutek

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    I used that guide (about 2007) and found it helpful. Good to see the site is still being maintained. Some of the information would now be several years old or more.
     
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    Hakuba is situated in the heart of the Japan Alps, the alpine scenery is truly spectacular with huge rugged peaks towering above the town below.
     
  13. smitty484

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    [​IMG] thanks for the description Jack!!!
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    Looking at his other posts I think he's a spammer or he's on too many meds... [​IMG]
     
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    he doesnt really advertise anything though, just makes random comments.....perhaps he is practising his english, lol. I have seen one first time post that agreed with him(self) with links in the sig.

    can you remember what routes were accurate/worthwhile and if you tried any of the 'unconfirmed' lines on his map?
     
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    Yup, or he's just smitten with the Japan alps!!!! [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I like Jack
    he makes beautiful air.
     
  18. blutek

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    I only used the yellow runs as I was with MrsB. It was a handy reference for us in finding some offpiste runs back then. My point is probably that there has been a lot of discovery since those runs were mapped.

    @Jack, that sounds like a travel brochure.
     
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    The 47 DBD has entry gates on skiers right of the R2, that i know of.
     
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    Thankyou
    Ya that was my guess. I have poked in there a bit, havn't gone in from the top though
     
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    The jist is apparently that rule breaking at Happo is endemic. 90% of rule breakers are foreigners. The Happo patrol commented that there are cultural differences between Japanese skiers and foreign skiers. 40,000 foreign skiers visited Hakuba last season.

    [my input: Cortina deserves to get the lion's share of those 40,000 lift ticket purchases for their more internationally normal approach to skiing off-piste. The other resorts need to know why they are missing out on the influx]
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    They don't seem happy about it either.
     
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    I want to hit some great off-piste tree runs while I'm there like in the fenced off areas at Niseko. But I'm afraid that my 8 day lift pass is going to be taken from me because no tree skiing is allowed. Does anyone have any experience with having their lift pass taken at Hakuba? Are they really strict? Is it easy to be caught? And am I best off buying single or two day passes so that if I lose it I'm only losing one or two days rather than 8 days?

    I promise not to SPAM again
     
  26. Skido

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    Unless you're in Hakuba for the season, you're better off buying day passes using some of the discount coupons (in Japanese) that can be printed from the web. I wouldn't recommend buying an 8 day pass.
     
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    M_G M_G_ = Make skiing great again Ski Pass: Gold

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    I hope you do get your pass taken away with spam links like that.

    BTW I've reported the post. If you look at the first post of this thread you'll see that he's just cut and pasted from there. Thought I'd read it before.
     
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    I was thinking the same thing [​IMG]
     
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  29. smitty484

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    [​IMG] x 3
     
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  30. TJ

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    I would like to know where that stat comes from. Considering I'm the only one that admits running the trees everywhere in Hakuba, i'm probably the best person here to say that I cross paths with more Japanese than foreigners.
     
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  31. damian

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    It isn't my stat. Quote the article it came from, not me.
     
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    Like most things in Japan TJ the foreigners tend to stick out like dogs balls. I doubt it's 90% but we're just more noticeable. 90% of the people in the trees in Myoko with me when I'm there are Japanese - but I guess the place gets less foreigners than Hakuba.
     
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    On the topic of the DBD club at hakuba 47 gain. I noticed today that a second area is "DBD area". As you come down R2 where it takes a sharp left, then off to your right.

    Never been in there but it looks pretty good now the snow has covered up all the little stuff
     
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    to the extent that it was reported on popular national news shows, which normally adhere to the very "correct" position to welcome all the foreign visitors/immigrants enthusiastically. [​IMG]
     
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    i am afraid that they might think of this as a typical, impudent gaijin/australian attitudes, although they would be too polite to say so openly, and would keep PRETENDing to love/welcome everyone. [​IMG]
     
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    They probably opened the trees at cortina to pay for the heating bill of the hotel!
     
  37. TJ

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    Bless me father for I have sinned. I rode tree's all morning. Tight trees, spaced trees, big trees, small trees
    (don't mention the avi barriers. That should be in another thread of it's own)
     
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    Bless the pillows that sent me flying and thank the snow for softening the blow!
     
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    Bastards..bastards...bastards.
     
  40. damian

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    Back to a question in this thread a while ago. The original 'DBD Club' terrain at H47 is in this picture - the patch of trees between the two runs above the large building (gondola top station)

    As for the large watermark - too bad. I am tired of some people in the valley using my pictures as though they are their own.

    [​IMG]
     
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  41. smitty484

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    damian what sort of temps have you been recording the past few days near your place?
     
  42. damian

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    Hi 484, hope the trip in Japan is going well.

    As forecast, it has been warming here by the day. Data here: http://steepdeepjapan.com/wx-data-1011

    It hit +7 today at my house, +8C in town. Freezing level got up to about 2100m, 600m higher than was forecast.
     
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    Damian,

    Also the trees just below that underneath the run that cuts across (ie. R2). Not sure maybe that is new this year, but its def a DBD area

    Dan
     
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    Not trying to stir any mine's bigger than yours thing, but that doesn't look like a very big area , but the pic could be misleading ?
     
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    [​IMG]
    I've seen yours too and you know you are stirring the pot.
    I like the stuff we did under the net, Have you been back on a deep day. I reckon it would sluff it's head off. That would beat the DBD area but you know we have other options also.
     
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    We had it epic last week, and I have since explored a lot of other lines off that ridge. We were the first in there after 70cm of fresh and had to pack the track , which wasn't fun .
     
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    The DBD club is not really all that big at all. But neither is the yamabiko area of nozawa which is the only legal tree skiing at Noz.
     
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    True...... Took speedy to a few nice spots while he was here, but he wanted to stop and take pics all the time [​IMG]
     
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    Speedy takes pics?
     
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    Thanks for your appreciation If you need any help for limousine service at Melbourne then you can visit on Chauffeursgenteel.com.au.
     
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