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Hanazonos big expansion how it is going ?

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Hunter, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. Hunter

    Hunter Part of the Furniture Endless Winter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Once development is complete, Hanazono Niseko Ski Resort will rival the best on-snow experience anywhere in Japan. Hanazono will be boasting a new hotel and apartment complex under Park Hyatt management, a new on mountain restaurant, 6-seater heated chairlift, and a 10-person beginner Gondola.
     
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    Sounds awful
     
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    Will be great as they plan to annex and install a gondola across to the nearby mountain that has been closed to lifted skiing for some years
     
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    Chinese customers expected?
     
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    they're taking over the old abandoned ski resort weiss and putting in a gondola to transport people there.
    its beginner/intermediate terrain that is currently overpriced garbage cat skiing, but imo it is absolutely perfect terrain for beginners. i think its really good idea to move the beginners away from the rest of the mountain.

    regarding the chinese, my experience is that (generally) they wake up late, do 3 runs, go in for coffee/morning tea, do 1 more run, then go home for the day.
    and they're kicking out the ski bums who get drink and fight and smash windows, and they're not skiing any powder. im all for it! bring more the chinese!!
    they only downside is that between 6:30 and 7:30 they all must go out for dinner, and every restaurant is booked. and people complain about them. omg do people complain, its like they will die if they dont eat immediately. im surprised the complainers haven't tried calling the UN for rights violation or something. just eat your dinner later and you'll be fine.
     
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    Links?
     
  7. Hunter

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    pdf press release:


    Hanazono Press Release Date: 1 May, 2018

    Notice of Activity Programs Nihon Harmony Resorts KK 328-1 Aza-Iwaobetsu, Kutchan-cho, Abuta-gun Hokkaido 044-0082 TEL: +81 136 21 6655

    Thank you very much for your continued support and business. Suspension for 2019 Green Season: Hanazono Niseko Ski Resort will be suspending all summer activity programs at Hanazono due to the ongoing development. We do apologize for any inconveniences this causes. We will still be offering bike rentals from our Niseko Sports shop in Hirafu.

    Once development is complete, Hanazono Niseko Ski Resort will rival the best on-snow experience anywhere in Japan. Hanazono will be boasting a new hotel and apartment complex under Park Hyatt management, a new on mountain restaurant, 6-seater heated chairlift, and a 10-person beginner Gondola. We are also planning a range of new and exciting summer activities to complement our winter activities and Golf course operations, making Hanazono and Niseko a truly year-round travel destination.

    We look forward to welcoming you to our newly developed resort from December 2019. Period of suspension: 1st of September 2019 ~ end of Green Season 2019
     
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    Hanazonos problem.. .its in the middle of nowhere.

    No matter what you build there
     
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    cin Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Or get there at 6pm so your in bed early for first tracks!
     
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    +1 from me too.

    Often had my best powder days at 'family' resorts.

    The biggest bugbear about the Chinese at dinner time is they book a whole load of restaurants on the same day at the same time and make a last minute decision to which one they go to. Some restaurants charge a no-show/cancellation fee, others don't. They don't care either way.
     
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    You guys are for real!?
    This is 2018.
    I see any has deleted its post.
     
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  12. Mike Pow

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    To whom is this directed please?
     
  13. M_G

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    Be interested to see at which point the gondola goes to at Weiss.

    Big investment obviously. Wonder how it will all go when the next GFC hits.
     
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    I remember a Hong Kong based company bought Weiss in 2015 and the CEO was saying they decided to buy Weiss to link Hanazono and Weiss with a gondola / lift. Not sure if they still have the plan now or not.
     
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    ive assumed that park hyatt is chipping in to do it.
    theyre spending $US600million on a hotel. another $20mil for a 2nd hand gondola probably not such a big ask.
     
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    I guess the gondola will go to either the old base, or to the Niseko Weiss Hotel Hokkaido, then the 6 seat chair from there.



     
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    It seems something is happening to Niseko Weiss Hotel now. I mean, It was a 4 seasons hotel and used to be open all year around but it seems it's been closed since this April and the website of the hotel doesn't exist now. The hotel was relatively new, 13 years old and popular, but closed now. It means it's under renovation and it'll be reborn as a new hotel?
     
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    Presumably that will be the new Hyatt Hotel?
     
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    99% sure the new gondola is going from the top of legend of shinya. ive read that in several places and heard people talking about it.
    i thought the new six seater is going from the bottom of hanazono up to there.
    weiss has its own lifts that i guess are refurbished? but perhaps as you say the 6 is to replace the weiss lift, it makes more sense.
    my understanding of the layout here:
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    edit: actually i think the gondola location is a little off. its at the kink of shina, about 30meters north west of where i put it.
     
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    No. These pics are Hyatt Hotel under construction now.
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    I took a close look at google maps and I couldn't see that the lifts at Weiss were that viable. How long ago were they last used?
     
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    I skied there 2004 on lifts, they closed 2005 ... i think. From memory they were only open 2-3 days a week by that point.
    I cant remember yesterday let alone how many years ago it was, so im not 100% sure when it was.
     
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    4th image seems to confirm the information i've received that the 6 seater is going from hanazono base up to shinya.
    put skis on, take a 6 up, then take skis off for a gondola across. sounds like japanese ski lift planning :p
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    Haven't run for as long as I've been there - December 2006
     
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    I’m guessing this will make the peak runs a bit more enjoyable - instead of the inevitable walk out up to Legend of Shinya and then down to the base of Hanazono to come back up, you could head towards the gondola at Weiss and then return that way?
     
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    Speaking of Hyatt Hotel, they opened a new hotel in Ginza, Tokyo this January and a new one in Okinawa last month, and they will open a new one in Kanazawa as well, not only in Niseko Hanazono area.
     
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    If I read this right, that opens a up A LOT of back country without having to ski tour / walk out. Including the valley between Mt Io and Mt Niseko - Annupuri. People that spend a lot of time back there, is this a good thing? I spose it was always accessible by lifts, just not as attractive due to the walk out.
     
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    skiers just traverse back to Hanazono out of Jacksons. minimal effort. the "new" route that evolved last year is more effort than it used to be, but not much more.
    the snowboarder hike is about 50m elevation gain on a daily groomed firm surface.

    skiing to Weiss would involve following a pow covered summer road for 2km or a 30-50m elevation gain in deep pow and a mediocre ski down, then both routes go through a 10m deep gully and back up to Weiss.
    i can see skiers doing it as something to do, perhaps as a route that involves niseko backcountry first then some weiss backcountry after (which im planning on exploring asap).
    but snowboarders cant even do 10 meters of flat, so I don't think thats gonna happen for them much.
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    reckon its still gonna involve quite a bit of a walk out. but being lifted 3/4 the way up weisshorn will be a great motivator to ski that backcountry.
     
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    A great loop is Niseko Hirafu lift system and hike to The Peak
    Drop the North Face to the snow covered road (Rt 56)
    Skin to the summit of Iwaonupuri
    Ski the north facing gulley and follow the undulating terrain to the river
    Follow the river course, crossing where it's safe
    Side-step / traverse high enough to drop into Weiss base area
    Gondola back to Hanazono
     
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    It seems the hotel is being broken up now. A Hong Kong based company, which is not the company that own Hanazono, bought Niseko Weiss Hotel, and they are breaking up the hotel to make a new luxury one there. A bit amazing, I mean, 13 years old is rather new as a hotel but they decided to break up instead of renovating it. It seems local Japanese people are not happy with it. Ex Niseko Weiss hotel had reasonable onsen and restaurant, and local people used to enjoy them without staying at the hotel but the new hotel built there in the near future won't be as reasonable.
     
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    I don't think they'd be too bothered about the local people TBH. For them there's money to be made from the foreign inbound market.
     
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    Yeah, they’re after the HK and Chinese dollars/yuan. That’s objective #1.
     
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    It seems the owner of Chalet Ivy in Niseko bought the hotel. https://www.chaletivy.com/
     
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    This is not so unusual in Japan (well, 13yo and breaking it up is short though).
    Renovating is not something that happens very often in Japan. Buy a place, even in very good nick, and they still demolish and rebuild. Another peculiarity in Japan.
     
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    The value in buildings just isn’t there like it is in Aus is it.