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  1. VSG

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    I last climbed Hannels, in two days, nearly 15 years ago. I can't for the life of me remember exactly where it runs, and a work colleague has just come back from a Snowies epic which involved ascending Hannels in a day!

    I think its about where my dotted pink line is.

    Any veterans of the route care to comment?

    (oh, btw, it represents the greatest vertical available on the Aussie mainland, in a consistent uphill climb in a day's walk. Allegedly. 440m to 2200m at Mt. Townsend [​IMG] )

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    *bump*
     
  3. Ijay

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    That walk is still on my to do list, think I might do a recce down hill first.
     
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    I did many years ago VSG. Im pretty sure thats very close to the way we went.
     
  5. Bogong

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    I've only done it once, and it wasn't as hard as expected, but allow a full day to get to Byatt's Camp.(ie leave Geehi well before 9:00) unless you are one of these young speedsters. (Like I was 15 years ago.)

    Cross the river and walk to the stone hut that got toasted in the fires (Dr Forbes Hut??) and then wander south for a few minutes until you get to an obvious spur. We found the track there and easily followed it, but that was pre '03 fires, so things may have changed. At Easter we found the creek half way up the spur at Moira's Flat had plenty of water. When we passed the treeline there were a few cairns for guidance but just before Byatt's we got slighly bushed in 2 metre high scrub, but this may have burnt off.

    Anyway, I think this route is in the main walking guidebook for the area. It should be more reliable than my vauge memories of 5 years ago.
     
  6. climberman

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    no fish on a ridgeline vsg
     
  7. VSG

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    But in the Swampy Plains and Geehi Rivers there is... [​IMG]
     
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  9. VSG

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    Vid is a bit fuzzy.. but not trout, or perhaps very juvenile trout.
     
  10. sahara101

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    could be some species of galaxia
     
  11. VSG

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    Could be!

    [​IMG]

    from the vid.

    [​IMG]
     
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  12. skifree

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    My fish experts suggestion is

    "The top one looks like a climbing galaxias (Galaxias brevipinnis). The second one is a bit harder to tell, but could be the same, or it may be a mountain galaxias (Galaxias olidus). We'd probably need specimens to be sure"

    Given the 1st picture is from a website about Manly Dam (I did not even know there was a Manly Dam, does it drain onto the Manly Beach?) and is labelled "Climbing Galaxia".

    Can we have a specimen flown over to Adelaide for further study please VSG or Dangerous Dave?
     
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  13. Chudak

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    Manly Dam formerly drained into the creek that runs into Queenscliff Lagoon at the northern end of Manly beach. I could find my way around the dam blindfolded as I spent rather too much of my adolescence stumbling around there similarly incapacitated.
     
  14. VSG

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    I think I have found it, Bogong. I know you were waiting with baited breath for a map. Except that I may have the start point wrong. If I coud work out where Byatt's Camp is, I would be complete. It features prominently in the literature for the area. Strezlecki is rumoured to have used Hannels on his way around the place back in the 19th century, and found that pimple called Kosciouszko too. Except I think he found Townsend first, and proclaimed it Australia's highest (understandable!).
    [​IMG]

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    this little excerpt gives a clue to the site of Byatt's..

     
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    Does anyone know what the phone and UHF coverage is like going up Hannel's Spur and the general Western Wildness Area (outside the valleys) in general?

    Using Google there appears to be a UHF repeater at Mount Youngal on channel2 -
    is this still correct and is this for public UHF? What's the Rx/Tx strength facing the direction of the Western WIlderness\Kosi. areas?

    I really don't like taking mobile phone or UHF when I walk but in this particular case I need to. [​IMG]
     
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    From what I hear, it'd be better to take a machete than a mobile cos of the post fire regrowth.
    Others can probably give you the good oil on reception.
    Are you going up or down?
    Good luck and good fun!
     
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    Thanks tele-whippet. Going up - starting very early.
     
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  19. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Hannells baby yes Hannells!!

    That should get you in a lather of sweat!!

    Start very early cos it would be a killer on a very hot day!!

    Done it couple times when i was fitter and younger and a bit gunho.

    It will make you ponder the human fragility!!

    As you grovel ever upwards with sweat pouring from your body.

    I expect pics:the bears will be interested to see if anybody returns from this adventure!!
    May the force go with you.Suggest small bottle of rum/coke to focus mental activity after reaching Byatts Camp but not a drop till that is attained.

    Party members can expect hours of delirium!!
     
  20. Greybeard

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    I first went up Hannels in 1979. I wrote at the time that "the track could sort of be followed most of the way, but really was a scrub bash all the way. 10-11 walking hrs to Albina Hut". (Didn't make it to the top of Kosi)
    After this the track got recut, and remember once going down, leaving Wilkinsons Valley after 4pm, and getting to the Khancoban Pub by 9pm.
    I suspect post-fire it currently may be the former scenario.
    NS - a condition report would be appreciated.
     
  21. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Maybe folk could generate the total H20 that one would expect to lose on this epic???Maybe 10litres!!
     
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    I walked up ( and down) Hannels about 10-12 yrs ago. The biggest issue was finding the route down on the flats. It was a fantastic walk, and I have no horrible recollections of it. My horrible recollection is of walking up the Staircase in knee/lower thigh deep snow.

    Enjoy.

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  23. NeoSamurai

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    Have been up hiking the Main Range the past 3 days with my 13yr old. Did a loose recon. down the Wilkinson Creek almost as far as Byatts (camping at Wilkinsons, below Muellers on the creek) and then from the bottom end, a small recon. from Dr Forbes Hut - camping at Geehi last night.

    Looking down at the spur from the summit of Mt. Townsend it looks like it's going to be epic considering the overgrowth! No date set yet.
     
  24. VSG

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  25. Ubiquitous Steve

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    N -S let the force guide you on this exciting adventure.

    Andrew A isnot wrong in describing it as a fantastic walk.

    Now bears and i are expecting lots of pics so we are up to date
    on the overgrowth problems of the walk.

    N-S this is a classic route that your ganna remember for a long time.Pleased that you have done recce.

    And watch weather map: pick day that is not 40dec!!!
     
  26. NeoSamurai

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    Hmmm... I've decided uber lightweight will be the way to go with plenty of fluids - should I rely on any water at Moira's?

    US I want to make the Bears proud of me - I'll take lots of pics. and hold my head up high as I thrash my way through the whipping thickets, cobwebs and caterpillars knowing there will be GIngerNut biscuits and a JD waiting for me at Byatts! (queue 'Rocky' theme song playing on an ~8hour loop)

    In reality however I know there shall be much wailing and gnashing of teeth on this day...

     
  27. Ubiquitous Steve

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    N-S.

    Hope you have come back alive!! [​IMG]
     
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  28. VSG

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    Wonder if NS got started on Hannels?
     
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    hope he is not doing this on friday when temps are set to soar!!!!
     
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  31. Ubiquitous Steve

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    Any news on N.Sam..!!

    Maybe he is still recovering??? [​IMG]
     
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    This thread has me interested enough to email one<< tim.greville@environment.nsw.gov.au>> and find out if the Hannel's spur track is totally overgrown or if any Team Bears style chain sawing , chopping and whipper snipper track maintenance has been carried out at all in the past two years.
    Why doesn't the KNP have a sub branch of Team Bears?.What about a picnic table at Moira's flat ?. :p
     
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    Team bears don't do NSW! ( as far as I can understand)

    A
     
  34. DJM

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    Pretty sure the track had maintenance work done during the search for our Canadian friend in 2013.

    Probably best to contact Parks in Jindy or Bruce at WS.

    Or.....add a day and go regardless.
     
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    I went up Hannels late last year. Might have been a little work done at the very start of the track, but it was mostly pretty rough going and I lost the track a few times. Pretty scratchy and scrubby, but I had a cracker of a day out and would head up again in a heartbeat (preferably not solo next time). The feeling when I got up above the treeline was brilliant :)

    Here is a link to my gps track (which hopefully works).

    https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/956970639/share/0?lang=en
     
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    Those stats!....:thumbs:
     
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    Cheers! Was on a mtb from DHG to Geehi. Was a big day for me. Not moving that quickly, but just keeping moving.
     
  38. DJM

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    Figured you'd have the bike leg sorted. Great stuff. Well done.
     
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    I had marginal Telstra reception at Byatts once, my phone said I was in Bundara or Dinner Plain.
     
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    Should be happy with that average H R on that one. Well done.
     
  41. RunDLC

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    That can't be right :) Im guessing I didnt have the monitor on and it just made up a number! Was working plenty hard!
     
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    LOL Thought you might have been one of those ubermensch folks with a 32 resting pulse. Still a solid effort
     
  43. NeoSamurai

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    I finally climbed Hannels Spur solo on Saturday. I'm a little unfit/overweight so it made for a slowish day :(
    Camped at Geehi, left at 6:20am. Reached Byatt's camp by about 4:30pm. Stopped for a bit taking photos around Byatts/Wilkinson cirque then on to Thredbo Village arriving at 9:15pm. Had to walk down from EagleNest as the lift had obviously closed hours earlier. Was drooling for a giant steak with all the trimmings at the Thredbo pub - "sorry mate kitchen has just closed" Doh!

    Don't be deceived by this innocuous looking spur on a map or viewing from a distance - it is slow, tough going.
     
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    Got the photos to share?
     
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    A worthy achievement in a day..especially with the thredbo descent! Sub 5 hours from Byatts to the village after that climb is more than respectable
     
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    How was the trail growth?
     
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    If the trail was maintained it could become a part of another great walk.
     
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    I went through 3.5 litres from bottom to top of the Diamantina Spur on a sunny November day, starting the ascent at 9:30, and was feeling desperate for more water when I reached the top.
     
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    The first couple of kms are not too bad (that's in relevant terms!) - steep but generally well marked with pink flagging tape and occasional orange tree triangles. After the route turns south at about 950metres AMSL through a bracken/fern gully - that's where it starts to get real 'interesting' with very few markings and most of the old pink flagging tape faded or just gone and the regrowth getting thicker and thicker. From there it's not so much a trail as a 'path of least resistance'. I became geographically challenged several times when I went off course slightly into the THICK deep regrowth and a mishmash of piles of fallen trees and to quote Marlon Brando - "...the horror.... the horror..."! It took a BIG effort to extricate myself from the situation. At about 1:30pm I was sure I had missed Moira's and on the side of a steep incline, completely surrounded by tall, THICK bush and a jumble of downed trees I curled up into the foetal position sucking my thumb. (Not really but that's how I felt!) I gathered my thoughts and had lunch here and revived my will to live again. Not long after I stumbled upon Moira's Flat. The worst of the regrowth is about 1.5km below Moira's followed by the 1km above Moira's - although you're spirits start to rise as you begin to realise that soon it will get thinner as you get higher into the Alpine zone - it didn't. Not until 1750m.

    To tell you truth much of the 10hours of the ascent up Hannels is a bit of a Zombie blur in my memory except for little bits like Moira's Flat, the bracken/fern gully and the occaisional rest on the few granite outcrops (with views) along the way - until exiting the treeline at about 1750m.
     
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    I took 3.5litres from Geehi and by Moira's (7hours?) I had little left. There is water near Moira's but when I saw how overgrown the path down to it looked - I really didn't want to bushbash another bloody 100m! I decided (poorly) to ration my last 500ml until Byatt's. Boy that fresh water at Byatt's tasted like liquid gold!
     
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