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Let's hope I haven't placed an early curse on the season by buying season lift and parking passes for the first time in 5 years. LOL
 

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The only curse would be if this place ceased to exist, it's amazing anytime of year in any conditions.

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Hotham always best after a storm when nothing open.

Cannot agree more! I remember a big storm in October 2016...



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Another good thing that can happen during the season, is on really bad storm days with a decent refresh when heavenly is shut is you can walk up the road from the village and drop in. 2 days last year I was there only blue ribbon was open, everyone was whingeing, but those in the know were absolutely loving it as fresh lines were available in heavenly all day and all you had to do was catch the bus from blue ribbon to central and walk up the road. Rinse, repeat all day.

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Hotham to announce operating lifts for the weekend later today.
Will need a bit of work at the top of Heavenly if they want to get it going, whilst there'd be enough snow on the runs, the top looks well blown thin.
So will likely be everything but HV, Gotcha / Orchard, Blue Ribbon and The Drift.
But the big questions is...………...will the playground get another turn this year as it never got removed?
 

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Will need a bit of work at the top of Heavenly if they want to get it going, whilst there'd be enough snow on the runs, the top looks well blown thin.
But the big questions is...………...will the playground get another turn this year as it never got removed?
That was my concern as well, with the top of Heavenly being stripped from the southerly wind. At least the snowmaking window looks good the next few nights.
I hope playground runs again, one last chance to ride the same design chairlift Dad helped build at Baw Baw.
 
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That was my concern as well, with the top of Heavenly being stripped from the southerly wind. At least the snowmaking window looks good the next few nights.
I hope playground runs again, one last chance to ride the same design chairlift Dad helped build at Baw Baw.
If you go to the 9 minute mark you can virtually ride it all the way from the bottom - all whilst listening to a killer tune by Supertramp! That lift you mention at Baw Baw I believe is now sitting at the Cooma Airport in pieces.
 

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... But the big questions is...………...will the playground get another turn this year as it never got removed?
I'm certainly hoping Playground chairlift will live again. But after not running for a week or so, they cranked it up for one last time on 7 October last year. There was no reason for them to do that except to give it a proper send off.

Of course the resort has a new owner, but I doubt Vail Resorts has some special insight that has led them to overturn the decision to kill it that was made under Merlin Entertainments ownership. :(
 

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...I hope playground runs again, one last chance to ride the same design chairlift Dad helped build at Baw Baw.
That lift you mention at Baw Baw I believe is now sitting at the Cooma Airport in pieces.
There were two chairlifts on the same route at Baw Baw.
The first lasted from 1970 to 1988. That one was relocated to The Nut at Stanley in Tasmania where it still operates.
The Second ran from 1989 to 1999. That is the one in bits at Cooma aerodrome.

So if Onlybackscratchers dad built the first one, he can still catch a ride on it, albeit at a new location.
 
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There were two chairlifts on the same route at Baw Baw.
The first lasted from 1970 to 1988. That one was relocated to The Nut at Stanley in Tasmania where it still operates.
The Second ran from 1989 to 1999. That is the one in bits at Cooma aerodrome.

So if Onlybackscratchers dad built the first one, he can still catch a ride on it, albeit at a new location.
Source: Aust Ski Lift Directory.
The 88 upgrade was nearly a new lift, the existing towers were removed sandblasted, repainted and reused. Almost everything else was new.
When looking at recent pictures of the Nut chairlift it looks like it now has the same chairs as the upgraded Baw Baw lift, not the original old one's which were put on it. Maybe they sourced a few from Cooma?
Dad long gone to the powder heavens, sadly there is few left from that era to source information from.

Apologies, bit off thread.
 
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Thanks, I've been trying to work out if the "second" Baw Baw chair was totally new or just a slight renovation. But it appears it was half way between those two. I wonder if they kept the old bullwheels or if they replaced them too? Anyway, I've amended the Baw Baw section of the lift list to reflect that info.

Most old ski lifts are "Grandfathers axes", they have had so many things replaced at different times that the only original parts are the towers and sometimes the bullwheels. So those "new" chairs on the lift at Stanley could have come from anywhere, even from the short lived Queenstown chairlift which was nearby and also a Doppelmayr.
 
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If they remove the playground chair, then they really need to source a lift for Sun Run.
There are many days when the Road Runner doesn't run due to bad weather but the sheltered side of Sun Run makes for great skiing.
Given the relatively short distance, a Poma or T bar would be ideal.
 
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Thanks, I've been trying to work out if the "second" Baw Baw chair was totally new or just a slight renovation. But it appears it was half way between those two. I wonder if they kept the old bullwheels or if they replaced them too? Anyway, I've amended the Baw Baw section of the lift list to reflect that info.

Most old ski lifts are "Grandfathers axes", they have had so many things replaced at different times that the only original parts are the towers and the bullwheels. So those "new" chairs on the lift at Stanley could have come from anywhere, even from the short lived Queenstown chairlift which was nearby and also a Doppelmayr.
Definitely got new bull wheels. The ones at Cooma airport are not from the original lift.
 
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If they remove the playground chair, then they really need to source a lift for Sun Run.
There are many days when the Road Runner doesn't run due to bad weather but the sheltered side of Sun Run makes for great skiing.
Given the relatively short distance, a Poma or T bar would be ideal.
Well the old sun run t bar used to sit out near the gas tanks in parts so maybe a reinstall! Assume it’s long gone now.....
 
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Hopefully they can then get on with the job of pricing single day lift tickets, or heaven forbid work out whether they are 'Epic'.

$97 in June, going to $142 in July school hols / weekends and $132 midweek July / August
 
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Village (Audi) to open Friday.
Hotham website said:
Adding to Audi Quattro, the first official day of the season will also see Summit Trainer, Summit Quad, Roadrunner, Big D, Pups Playground and Cobungra Platter Dinner Plain all open. Terrain access will also include Basin Terrain Park, for those keen to try some jibs and tricks.
https://www.mthotham.com.au/lift-pa...end-hotham-lift-access#77312-saturday-onwards

Does "Pups Playground" mean Playground, or is this another kiddy carpet that doesn't appear named on the trail map proper?
 

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$97 in June, going to $142 in July school hols / weekends and $132 midweek July / August
***edit scratch that i found the link on the other page, you just cant select single day from the dropdown on the front page***

I spoke to the ticket office and apparently my epic pass will work for me personally, they are still unsure whether the epic benefits like "bring a mate" will apply.
 

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Does "Pups Playground" mean Playground, or is this another kiddy carpet that doesn't appear named on the trail map proper?
There are two carpet lifts at Big D used by the ski school, both off to the south side of the main run. Pups Playground is the small one right next to the Ski School building, and Harry's Hideaway is the longer one on the flat area where Easy Street rejoins QC
ref: https://www.australianmountains.com/australianskilifts/#10
 
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im hoping they 'surprise' us.....ill be up friday to mon anyway before it all washes away...bit tempted now by stupid oclock friday leave and ditch work / school.....
 

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Epic update, the basics.

Epic sale extended till 18/6.
Hero pass holders are to receive an email on the 11/6 providing Epic upgrade costs/options.
We then have till 2/7 to decide whether to convert to Epic.

No Hero "welcome pack" will being sent out this season.

Use existing Hero Pass for time being.
 
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Epic update, the basics.

Epic sale extended till 18/6.
Hero pass holders are to receive an email on the 11/6 providing Epic upgrade costs/options.
We then have till 2/7 to decide whether to convert to Epic.

No Hero "welcome pack" will being sent out this season.

Use existing Hero Pass for time being.
I know I could just wait but..... any idea on what the cost to upgrade to EPIC from Hero Pass is likely to be? Assume it will be the same as was for Falls which was ???
 

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Vail said:
I paid more for my Hero Pass than the Epic Australia Pass™. If I convert to the Epic Australia Pass™ will I get a refund?

This will depend on the difference between the price of the Hero pass vs. The Epic Australia Pass™ at the time of purchase. If the price was lower for the Hero Pass at time of purchase, your credit card on file will be charged an upgrade fee to convert to the Epic Australia Pass™, if the price was higher, your credit card on file will be refunded the difference. In the week commencing Monday 6 May we will be progressively contacting all fully paid Hero Pass holders via email with the specific instructions for converting your Hero Pass into an Epic Australia Pass™. Please note that access at Hotham on the Epic Australia Pass™ is pending certain approvals.
 

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I know I could just wait but..... any idea on what the cost to upgrade to EPIC from Hero Pass is likely to be? Assume it will be the same as was for Falls which was ???
You would assume the same deal as Falls, which seemed to vary from $0, $16 and $20 extra.
I think I will stick with the Hero pass anyway, the bring a person free deal probably outweighs the Epic pass discount tickets for me. However if the season turns pear shaped down south we have till 2/7 to decide to convert and fill Perisher with Mexicans.
 

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You would assume the same deal as Falls, which seemed to vary from $0, $16 and $20 extra.
I think I will stick with the Hero pass anyway, the bring a person free deal probably outweighs the Epic pass discount tickets for me. However if the season turns pear shaped down south we have till 2/7 to decide to convert and fill Perisher with Mexicans.
We are weighing up a northern hemisphere ski holiday and while our consideration on where to go has so far been EPIC pass agnostic, I have to admit for a $20 per person pass upgrade it will factor into the decision making.
 
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Time to start lobbying the NSW goverment to set up border checkpoints. It's important that the people of NSW can decide who comes to this state and the circumstances in which they come.

you need a WALL and trade sanctions, anything less is a waste of time! waving arms etc..
 
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We are weighing up a northern hemisphere ski holiday and while our consideration on where to go has so far been EPIC pass agnostic, I have to admit for a $20 per person pass upgrade it will factor into the decision making.

likewise
 

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Time to start lobbying the NSW goverment to set up border checkpoints. It's important that the people of NSW can decide who comes to this state and the circumstances in which they come.
It applies in both directions. ;)
 

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$149 for one day of skiing!! Plus parking. $83 for a child day pass. That's a big jacking up of prices. But you can save a huge $7 by buying an adult day lift pass online. How generous......
Buying day tickets and resort entry online if $495 per day for 2A2C.

So I think for my family it's buy an epic pass for all the family members and use it for 10+ days in Oz or save the weakening AUDs for OS in in January or March 2020 and give lift skiing a miss in Oz 2019. Probably the latter because I wouldn't be able to ski until probably September after joint surgery. We'll think about Japan or Canada in 2020. Thanks in part to the mythic "superior economic management of the LNP" our dollar has been tanking against the Yen for the last few years so Canada is looking more attractive.
 
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Next year though, 4 x Epic passes will be a good deal for my family if we can get up for enough days. It feels like the message is "Get a season pass or get stuffed" or "fiscally rooted".
 
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All of the five big resorts seem to be trying to force skiers with no "brand loyalty" to a particular resort out of the market.

I enjoy the variety of visiting different resorts and while season passes are reasonably good value for those who are members of club lodges, day tickets have become almost unaffordable at the big resorts for casual skiers and boarders who like to visit a variety of resorts rather than be tied to just one.

It is actually cheaper to buy a day ticket at Mt Mawson PLUS return airfares from Melbourne to Hobart, than it is to buy a day ticket at Hotham or Falls Creek. :nerd: That is just bonkers. o_O
 

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The day pass pricing is just nuts now and getting out of hand.
- so do beginner /learning skiers do if they ski 2-4 days per season?

What about older skiers with ailments? But below 65 y.o?

Or families who save all year for just a week /mid-week in the snow? (not worth buying 4-5 Epics for this?)

I could go on. But where does the next generation of skiers come from if a family can't afford to invest $8-900 x 4 or 5 each October? Maybe Time to convert to XC or BC & skins for many?

Or darts?
 

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The day pass pricing is just nuts now and getting out of hand.
- so do beginner /learning skiers do if they ski 2-4 days per season?

Or families who save all year for just a week /mid-week in the snow? (not worth buying 4-5 Epics for this?)

This is the issue that I am facing with my family. My middle brother has never been skiing, but his kids (13, 11 and 8) would *really* like to go. I have been wracking my brain to come up with an affordable option for them. Living in Brisbane, it seems like it's pretty much same-same on the cost to travel to the NSW snowfields or fly to NZ and hire a car.

Perisher offers their free lessons promo (but when lessons in a bundle are so cheap already, it's a bit of a wash), and Thredbo offers free lifts to kids (1 per adult), but you still have to pay for lessons.

In NZ, The Remarkables / Coronet Peak offer their "Intro to snow" pack, which gives 4 days of lift access, gear hire and 2 lessons per day, at $NZD649 for an adult and $699 for the kids. This isn't *too* bad, but still means that, with flights and all, for a family of 5 it would cost over $5,000 for their first time, with 4 days on the snow.

Back to Hotham, they do offer their 'Brand New Day' deal (now sold out). It's a one day only offer (June 22) that gives you full gear hire, 5 hours of lessons, lunch and a limited lift pass for (I think) $79. I was tempted to grab it and have a try at skiing this year, having only ever snowboarded.
 
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