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Discussion in 'Tutorials' started by Richard, Feb 21, 2017.

  1. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Unlike most discussion forums on the Internet, these Ski forums are not actually 100% free.

    However, we do offer a very generous Free Trial period based on the volume of your contributing 'posts' - and so for many people the Free Trial may last a year or longer.


    In a Nutshell..
    • Theses forums are free to join.
    • New members enjoy full privileges with the same set of features as Gold & Silver Members - but with advertising (see Rewards for details).
    • At 1000 posts, members are required to subscribe with a Silver Pass for $11 per annum to maintain full access to Apres topics. Regain your privacy, all advertising is removed.
    • At 3000 posts, members are required to subscribe with a Gold Pass at $33 per annum (or $3.85 per month) to maintain full access to Apres topics. Regain your privacy, all advertising is removed.
    Membership is not compulsory and should you reach the 1000 or 3000 post milestones then you may choose to not subscribe and you will still maintain full access to all other forum topics - just not the Apres topics.

    You may also upgrade at any time before reaching the 1000 post count.


    What happens when I reach 1000 or 3000 posts?
    If you are not yet a subscription member, then your participation privileges within the Apres topics only will be downgraded. You will be able to continue to read, however you will not be able to start new threads, post replies, 'like' posts or otherwise engage in threads.


    What are the Après topics?
    The Après topics are all the non-snowsport sub-forums, specifically;
    • Conversation
    • Sports Bar
    • The Distance
    • Tech Heads
    • Culture Vulture
    • Arrangements

    Rewards
    Rewards are achieved the more registered members participate with the forums during the 1000 post free-trial period. The first reward is 50 posts, then 350 posts, then 800 posts.

    @ 50 posts (or six months membership)
    - The bottom ad-slot is removed from all forum pages
    - Access is granted to create threads in Gear Swap
    - Culture Vulture topics become visible
    @ 350 posts
    - The middle ad-slot is removed from all forum pages
    @ 800 posts
    - The top ad-slot is removed from all forum pages

    Re-birth
    a.k.a How to get around these rules and never have to subscribe!

    Anyone may 're-birth' at any time. Re-birthing is simply creating a new account with a different email address and a different username and starting again. This is your choice.


    Why?
    Put simply, we believe this is the most equitable and fairest approach to looking after the long term economic viability of these forums. Advertising alone is not enough to keep the lights on and those who use the forums the most are the ones whom we ask to subscribe.

    For more about why & how see this announcement and also this very long discussion thread from September 2016.


    Got questions?
    Ask below
     
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  2. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Maybe you could add a few extra bits
    • explanation of season pass holder banner
    • explanation of gift memberships
     
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  3. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Not sure if those two points are material to the nuts and bolts of how membership works. They are just detail to observe at the subscription page.

    One concept at a time.

    Even 'Why' is probably superfluous.
     
  4. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    Ok, it's your show. I'll delete that post to avoid confusionand try to remember to delete this
     
  5. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    No need, I feel these conversations become a sort of FAQ without the forced marketing-speak of FAQ's that no one ever actually ask!
     
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  6. gettingtooold

    gettingtooold One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well and simply explained. I get my less than 10c a day worth, but some may not see the value or the need to pay and that's fine by me. What does annoy me is posters who can both afford to and enjoy overseas snow trips, get advice from here and on principle refuse or get around a subscription (read donation.) Gets up my nose a little. (Sorry about the rant. )
     
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  7. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm trying to move from 30 day Gold to 1 year Gold.
    I cancelled the recurring debit in PayPal and can't see how to sub to the annual plan now.
     
  8. Legs Akimbo

    Legs Akimbo Grumblebum Ski Pass: Gold

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    And then have the absolute temerity to lecture other people about how they should behave on the forums.
     
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  9. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m so lacking in temerity, that I also signed up Nikki even though she doesnt post LOL
     
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  10. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    @Ziggy

    Your current 30 day pass is valid until 21 March. Once it expires, you will drop back to a regular member and the option to purchase the Annual Pass will become visible.

    You can view your expiry date here;

    If you would rather organise a membership now, I can manually downgrade you and after you have renewed as an annual - I will then add 30 days to the end of your annual membership expiry.
     
  11. person s

    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I pay ten times more for the SMH
    this is 100 times the value
     
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  12. Ziggy

    Ziggy A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Thanks Richard.
    I'll do it in 30 days.
     
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  13. Ralf_Plow

    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    1. You are simply paying to keep your alias, you can put a noble spin on it if you like, but that's all you are paying for.
    2. It's a personal choice. I may very well think you are an idiot for paying to keep a name, but does it really matter what I think?
    3. Lots of "re-spawners" offer plenty of "advice" that you refer to. It takes all types to make a place as it is. If the owners didn't think so they would exclude the freeloaders.

    Sometimes it's like bashing ones head against a brick wall i'll admit.....
     
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  14. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've got no problem with some people choosing not to pay, but i disagree that it's just paying to keep an alias. I'm paying to do my little bit to keep the forums here, partly by showing that I value them and partly by contributing to the cost. I think most people that pay have similar motivation.
     
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  15. Ralf_Plow

    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    Whatever your personal motivation, the benefits are what they are. If it wasn't for many of the non subscribers (present company excluded of course, we know the answer there ;) ) would you bother coming back?
     
  16. cold wombat

    cold wombat Twitter Contributer Social Media Mod Ski Pass: Gold

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    This. For me. And I really don't care what motivates anyone else to do or not do whatever. It's a non issue for me.
     
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  17. Froff Life

    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    I couldn't give a hoot about upholding an online alias, I pay the subscription to support the amazing guys and gals that built, manage and continue this wonderful forum.
     
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  18. currawong

    currawong Old but not so Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    TBH most (not all) of the people who I'm most interested in hearing from are subscribers. Granted it would be duller without the non-subscribers
     
  19. Seafm

    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

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    For the cost of less than one cup of coffee a month this place is great value for the information and sometimes the entertainment it provides. In all honesty if a person can actively participate in the activities discussed here everyday you can afford to subscribe.
     
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  20. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I’m averaging abojut 5,000 posts per year

    That’s only 0.6 cents each of you have to oay to read each of my nagnificent contributions
     
  21. Seafm

    Seafm Too far from the snow Ski Pass: Gold

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    Pity you can't spell.
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    there"s nothing wrong with my spelling skills
     
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    LMB Old but definitely not Crusty! Ski Pass: Gold

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    What you did there...even my drunk self can see that LOL
     
  24. person s

    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    it’s typing, not spelling
    tiny keyboards on phones and tablets make it even worse
     
  25. Ralf_Plow

    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    See I am of the belief that there isn't much nobility in it, it's provided because it serves a purpose to a business model. If that model was only supported by full subscription, that's where it would be, but it's not is it.
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah but if I'm paying, I want grammar and spelling and punctuation dammit! LOL
     
  27. Ralf_Plow

    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    I see you got sick of finding new email addresses. ROFL
     
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    chicski A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yup!
     
  29. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    True, keeping one's alias is all it actually is.. for the moment.. (shamelessly stolen from the 'gamification' text book). There is also the removal of ads but dozens of ad-blockers will do that anyway - I'd bet my last dollar you have an adblocker running (I use ad-blockers too, I even pay for a superior one on my iphone - so not judging, not being hypocritical).

    The thing about subs though, is no other software/online model aligns incentives better.

    The incentive to keep existing subscribers and grow the sub base requires directly attending to the subscribers needs and constantly producing a better product & better user experience.

    Netflix is the perfect example of a service that just keeps getting better the more the subs grow - but there are many others (Salesforce, Atlassian, Spotify, New York Times)

    If I keep ticking away at the road map I have (in-between my paying gigs), this whole site will become mostly (but not all) paywall access for subs-only subscribers over the next few years. The current model is a transition model.
     
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  30. Ralf_Plow

    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    You would lose your last dollar, I have never bothered. I do avoid sites with pop up ads, they annoy me. Banner ads i couldn't care less about seeing.

    FYI Cayenne demonstrators are available now, for those missing out on ads!
     
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    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    It's line ball for me. I probably have another 2-3 re-spawns in me before I just can't be assed any more either.
     
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    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    small nit pick - something I’ve just noticed
    if using french punctuation, best done correctly: ‘après’ has accent grave, not accent acute
    otherwise ok without the accent
     
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    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    I really should stop posting from my phone LOL
     
  34. gareth_oau

    gareth_oau Pool Room Ski Pass: Gold

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    Sorry you have to subscribe to the Premium Package for that
     
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    Froff Life A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just pay the $11? You seem like you use the forums a lot, surely it's a cost effective choice?
     
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    Ralf_Plow One of Us

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    2-3 more re-spawns in me yet!
     
  37. Richard

    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Nice pickup

    You got the ascii code for that?
     
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    Astro666 One of Us

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    Richard Maintenance Dept Administrator

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    Thanks, wasn't really expecting @person s to fix it :thumbs:
     
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    person s Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    yep, not my skill set