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Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by Maritxu, Apr 1, 2017.
Good thing the Ski Patrol are there if needed.
Last hut I stayed in was satisfactory. 2 beers on tap and a great selection of wine
You should clarify that that good looking hut warden isn't there to greet everyone at the door!
Early August 2016 . My friend Narges , the lovely Young Persian Goddess of outdoor white season adventure descending the Eskdale spur pole line on Mt. Bogong .
Steve, Steve, Steve ---- GPS = permanent pole line in your pocket.
GPS = eleventy gazillion poles at your fingertips straight to your destination.
You know you want to
Look at them as an electronic pole line......batteries go flat, GPS useless.....poles covered in snow/ice, pole line useless........lose your GPS, ya cactus........pole line buried/broken.....ya cactus.
You're on the slippery slope to GPS ownership Steve....you've embraced the digital camera and now ipad.....GPS will be next! And you can get them with built in camera!
Wow, they've got serious pole lines up north.
This is a good run off Bald Hill.
The Gate has moved further (closer) back to Eucumbene in the last few years rather than in the cutting, which adds a kay or two to the walk/ski/ride.
In extremely cold weather all battery powered devices will fail. A map and compass are always essential and dare I say it a pole line can be very handy in crap visibility and fertilizer weather.
The poles are for finding your way in bad weather . We Victorians have them in a number of Alpine/ Mountain/snow areas including :The Baw Baw Nat. Park; the Alpine Nat. Park , esp.The Bon Accord spur off the side of the Razorback ; The Bogong High Plains and Mt. Bogong ; The Australian Alps Walking Trail (AAWT) from Mt. Loch car park down to Dibbin's hut (and up onto the Bogong high plains to meet other pole lines at pole No. 333) and at Mt.Stirling .I will post some snow pole photos just to annoy our friends in N.S.W and the A. C. T. ;-P .
Too many posts here assuming that @Maritxu has no navigational skills. Its simple. He wants do some hut visits around Kosi. As the Whippet and Kieren have stated the best option is out to the Grey Mares area. Then after getting a feel for things perhaps a visit to Blue Lake for some ice climbing- quite doable with overnight tent somewhere near the helipad.
Obviously a GPS compliments a map and compass
As does a tent to a hut and experience, planning and fitness to numptiness and armchair critique.
Here is another image for our friend from Europe , of the Bogong High Plains in early Sept. 2016. This is between Mt. Nelse and the Heathy spur route. Notice the XC skiers in the distance following the pole lines where they converge from the Edmondson's hut pole to the main route on the AAWT back towards Falls Creek ski village.
This is the Blue Lake in N.S.W. in 2016 spring snow conditions. There are no poles ( relax people
, I was just having a joke with all the snow pole photos ! ) but ice climbers have been known to go there and try their skills.
Yeah well i think you've given ubisteve an aneurysm or somefing
I think Maritxu has been well and truly scared off, not to mention confused. He just asked for some advice re ski touring then suddenly it becomes a pissing competition between certain forum members!
I like a laugh and to joke with people and I am sure our friend from France has decades more experience in snow activities than I do . What do I know? Probably only enough to keep myself from getting
lost or frozen or killed !!
There was a pole line from near Seaman's hut to near the top of the Crackenback . Has it been removed? Did the NPWS remove it just to upset Ubi. Steve ?. ;-P .
There is more than two huts here.
N.B. Basic Grammar. Plural / singular verb usage in English.There is one hut, There are two huts. There is one hut, There are many huts. etc.
In Urdu /Hindi the idea is the same.
Ek jhompre hai , do jhompre hain etc.
and in Farsi too ;-P
yek ast , do tar hastand.
ACT Forests Good -35.758397 148.974782
Bag Range Hut Good -35.192392 148.773831
Bendora Hut Good -35.421861 148.795255
Bill Jones Poor -35.650577 148.664895
Black Jack Fair -35.974613 148.313425
Boobee Fair -36.060849 148.464612
Botherham Plain Hut Good -36.252894 148.548135
Brandy Flat No3 Poor -35.714889 149.019355
Brayshaws Good -35.867648 148.716982
Broken Dam Fair -35.952519 148.498675
Brooks Fair -36.029983 148.519667
Bullocks Good -36.436568 148.443439
Bulls Head Picnic Hut Good -35.387830 148.804467
Bushfold No6 Poor -35.538989 149.023045
Cascades Hut Good -36.583265 148.257470
Cesjacks Good -36.146191 148.452148
Charlie Carters Good -36.700161 148.250786
Chaves Yarrangobilly village Fair -35.641544 148.450194
Circuits Good -35.818905 148.688728
Commemorative Cross Fair -35.651931 148.463515
Cooinbil Homestead Fair -35.631302 148.597024
Coolamine Cheese House Fair -35.609559 148.664828
Coolamine Homestead Fair -35.609275 148.665121
Coolamine Southwell’s Fair -35.609283 148.665220
Cootapatamba Good -36.477539 148.256105
Cotter Hut No3 Poor -35.650918 148.831087
Cotter River Hut Poor -35.482776 148.816629
Cotterills Cottage Fair -35.652393 148.462563
CSIRO Research Hut Good -36.229293 148.560654
Currango Homestead Good -35.726693 148.695189
Daveys Good -36.230008 148.534032
David Brayshaws Poor -35.876786 148.983975
Delaneys Good -35.909320 148.563564
Demandering Good -35.838586 149.052469
Derschkos Good -36.142393 148.353072
Devils Kitchen Rock Shelter Good -36.560226 148.262415
Disappointment Spur Good -36.326402 148.413954
Doctor Forbes Good -36.391942 148.183041
Doctors Fair -36.366436 148.171544
Dry Dam Ski Shelter Fair -35.933891 148.388160
Electricity Commission Fair -35.891293 148.440765
Four Mile Good -35.929781 148.478418
Gavels Good -35.897365 148.661617
Geehi Good -36.377445 148.179613
Geehi Shelter Good -36.385125 148.181275
Glendale Shed Good -35.695961 149.005333
Gooandra Homestead Good -35.800584 148.536697
Grey Mare Fair -36.211975 148.338250
Gudgenby Cottage Good -35.743579 148.987773
Gudgenby Homestead No2 Fair -35.742892 148.985442
Hains Good -35.769846 148.591836
Hainsworth Good -35.671093 148.601296
Happys Good -36.011627 148.539452
Hoggs Poor -36.354925 148.050201
Horse Camp Good -36.331509 148.396029
Horse Gully No2 Good -35.823842 149.065947
Hospital Creek Good -35.790075 148.967002
Illawong Lodge Good -36.396216 148.356031
Ingeegoodbee Good -36.820385 148.324233
Keebles Good -36.369120 148.174447
Kells Good -35.422040 148.506784
Kiandra Courthouse Good -35.873352 148.495067
Kidmans Hut Good -36.217131 148.467622
Lindleys Hut Good -35.495180 148.446037
Linesmans No3 Fair -36.014664 148.398955
Long Plain Homestead Good -35.697079 148.537372
Lutons Crutching Shed Good -35.826742 148.946200
Mackays Hut Good -36.088798 148.464364
Major Clews Hut Good -36.292977 148.142869
Matthews Cottage Fair -35.876035 148.494300
Mawsons Hut Good -36.221865 148.403481
Max and Bert Oldfields Hut Poor -35.750909 149.071525
Millers Hut Poor -35.705944 148.577956
Munyang Hut Poor -36.307031 148.390004
O'Briens Hut Good -36.015920 148.379770
O'Keefes Hut Fair -36.123882 148.402724
Old Currango Fair -35.690160 148.664490
Old Geehi Good -36.360516 148.163750
Oldfields Good -35.677422 148.755214
Opera House Good -36.388222 148.274803
Orroral Homestead Good -35.639401 148.959323
Patons Good -36.060181 148.295504
Pattinsons Good -35.881571 148.491990
Pedens Good -35.774232 148.705694
Peppercorn Lean-to Poor -35.578479 148.634932
Pipers Creek Good -36.378658 148.423996
Pockets Hut Good -35.657611 148.728711
Pretty Plain Hut Good -36.168742 148.295264
Pryors Hut Good -35.562321 148.778164
Round Mountain Good -36.044303 148.382255
Rugmans Good -36.677135 148.653180
Sandy Creek Good -36.851917 148.474620
Sawyers Good -35.895824 148.540564
Schlink Hilton Good -36.274996 148.385049
Schofields Good -35.852533 148.675257
Seaman’s Hut Good -36.450189 148.282695
Slaughterhouse Good -36.765199 148.568586
SMA House Geehi Dam Fair -36.302202 148.314910
SMA House Tooma Dam Fair -36.050191 148.277134
SMA Rain Gauge Jagungal Fair -36.135485 148.389550
SMA Seismic Station Geehi Fair -36.417178 148.181808
SMA Weather Station Fair -35.924837 148.432672
Snowy River Gauging Station Poor -36.392058 148.356996
Teddys Good -36.531300 148.343921
Tin Hut Good -36.264579 148.437462
Tin Mine Barn Good -36.699982 148.250648
Tooma River Gauging Station Fair -36.099788 148.258852
Townsends Good -35.784443 148.684964
Tumut River Gauging Station Fair -36.020311 148.439859
Tyrell’s Hut Good -36.377418 148.179889
Valentines Good -36.226939 148.371751
Venables Poor -35.446980 148.487736
Vickerys Good -35.620268 148.404517
Waterhole Hut Good -35.866494 148.951934
Westermans No3 Good -35.887178 148.971451
Wheelers Good -36.114097 148.252636
Whites River Good -36.299859 148.385765
Witzes Good -35.811652 148.583429
Wolgal Lodge Good -35.879617 148.493212
Good evening Steve,
I did find the "Aussie 10" webpage when I started to look for information.
I'm still looking at all that n will get back to you afterwards
I take note of your advices to do shorter trips but more of them ..I will look at that also. Although the idea is to get to the ski area by bus or train (or whatever is available) and to rent a van after the ski trip.
But your suggestion might be another option...
Many information, I'll look at all that and will get back to you all (or nearly all)
By the way: there is no need to translate in French, I said I'm from the Pyrenees, that does not mean that I'm French...
Good night Australia
Maybe some useful information would be the sun goes down around 4pm in Winter most places (NSW or Vic). Best to be at camp before then. There is still light to see what you are doing for a bit longer but the temperature will drop quickly. I am sure you are suitably confused by some of the crap written here. Hope you have a good trip anyway. Agree that a base around Blackheath for climbing would be good. I wonder if you posted on a climbing forum the same would happen. Hope not. There are a few places for you to camp with a van in the Blue Mtns which will not be too far out of the way. Usually on the Grose Valley side of the Great Western Hwy. Public transport is available to Falls Creek from Melbourne or Sydney. Train to Albury/Wodonga and bus from there (or Wangarratta). You can fly into Albury and the cheapest fare from Sydney for me has been $120 AU but commonly around $140 if you book well ahead. Bogong High Plains is fairly gentle (suited to skinny skis) and there are lots of huts which are accessible in a days tour. Usually lots of people as well but fewer will stay out overnight. Feathertop (Federation hut) will also be crowded but you can get some good views of it from the Bogong High Plains around Westons Hut. Tawonga Huts are nearby and better for camping with a tent. The weather can be crap any month and it is up to you when you get here whether you go. You seem pretty switched on so I am sure you will make the right decision.
Chockstone can be a mess at times but pretty friendly to strange travellers. Much more than this mess of a thread
Basalt Knob Hut S37 09.004 E147 06.138 A Russo
Bindaree Hut S37 10.01 E146 32.61 D Sisson
Bivouac Hut S 36 42.819 E 147 17.706 C Halabut
Black Bird (Kellys) Hut
Blowhard Hut S36 59.429 E147 06.766 O Moon
Bluff Hut S37 12.97 E146 31.44 Sisson
Bluff Spur Memorial Hut S37 7.60 E146 29.60 Sisson
Bucketty (McNamara) S36 57.285 E147 20.036 O Moon
Bus Hut (Ivans) S37 5.34 E146 26.40 D Sisson
Charles Derrick Hut S 36 58.272 E 147 09.645
Cobbler Lake Hut S37 2.96 E146 37.55 D Sisson
Cope Hut S36 54.395 E147 17.552 O Moon
Craigs Hut S37 6.47 E146 31.94 Sisson
CRB (Country Roads Board) - Standing Ruin S37 00.101 E147 06.022 O Moon
Diamantina S36 58.589 E147 07.313 O Moon
Dinner Plain S37 01.246 E147 14.208 O Moon
Evans Creek Hut
Frascas Dam Hut
Fry's Hut S37 11.75 E146 19.79 D Sisson
Gardners Hut S37 11.53 E146 22.68 D Sisson
Geelong Grammar School Hut S37 7.45 E146 30.06 D Sisson
Howqua Gap Hut S37 8.66 E146 29.43 D Sisson
JB Plain S37 01.396 E147 13.304 O Moon
Keep Dry Hut S37 7.77 E146 29.81
King River Hut S37 5.28 E146 34.31
King Saddle Hut S37 6.34 E146 28.50
Lovick's Hut S37 12.41 E146 34.60
Mitchell's Homestead S37 18.04 E146 21.67
Mount No.3 Hut S37 3.75 E146 25.03
Pikes Flat Hut S37 10.84 E146 30.74
Purcell's Hut Pannican Hut S37 4.88 E146 28.67
Razorback Hut (Purcell's Hut) S37 6.24 E146 27.88
Ritchie's Hut S37.11.798 E146.28.447 CORRECTED
Ryans Hut Bullocks S36 55.21 E146 26.73
Spargos Hut S 36 58.912 E 147 09.778
Stockyard Ck Hut
Tomahawk Hut S37 2.42 E146 24.66
Top Crossing Hut
Upper Jamieson Hut S37 15.45 E146 26.90
Vallejo Gantner Hut S37 10.32 E146 40.22
Wheeler Creek Hut S36 32.805 E147 52.629 A Russo
Steve, maybe no one from NSW has replied because of the way you have derailed this thread with your incoherent ramblings and know it all-isms.
You have made it clear that you are the authority on everything Australian Alps, so what would be the point?
The people who have made useful contributions have had their posts buried in a barrage of your photos from 30 years ago.
If you really want to help the OP you would dispense with the over the top Aussie slang and poorly formatted posts.
There are several pole lines in NSW. Most notably the ski pole line on the Main Range from Charlotte Pass to Kosciuszko Chairlift, via the eastern side of Etheridge ridge and up and over to the Koscuiszko lookout with a diversion to Seamans Hut at the Snowy River. There is also a useful pole line from Perisher to Charlotte Pass Via Porcupine rocks amongst others.
You can use the bottom of Illawong lodge as an emergency shelter.
I am sure Maritxu is aware of the dangers involved in backcountry skiing and doesn't need to be schooled in the merits of GPS vs map and compass and what time to be at a hut. Yes, it gets very windy on the Main Range but I'm also sure it gets very windy at 3000 meters in the Pyrenees.
Maritxu, as Kieran suggested I think the Thredbo-Kosciuszko-Main Range-Rolling Grounds-Grey Mare-Jagungal-Whites River-Guthega route would be the most interesting and fun. That would be a good place to start at least.
In a bid to display what our Alpine
Huts are often like here is a photo of Young's Hut on the Bogong High Plains that I took during summer , January 2016.
Cant make out the rats in that pic t
Roper's Hut, early October 2015. Bogong High Plains.
Young's hut is rat infested, something horrid !
Please keep to the OP. Thanks.
anything extraneous to that gets will get deleted.
I.m wondering what relevance all these photos of huts has when there is no indication of location or where they might fit on any proposed route. Without that all we are witnessing is some sort of pissing contest with only two players.
Johnston Hut, Early October 2015. That is Mt. Nelse behind it with people XC
skiing down it in good spring conditions.
The Bogong High Plains are a worthwhile place for hut to hut back country white season activities. They are located in the Victorian Alps. I will desist from offering further visual evidence if it is unhelpful.A suggested XC multi day/ night route taking in these huts could include Edmondson's hut/ Roper's Hut/ Fitzgerald Hut/ Cope Hut/ Ryder's Huts/ Pretty Valley Hut.
O Keefe's hut, Kosci. N.P.
, N.S.W. I took this photo .It was taken in summer , Jan. 2017.
My last hut picture for today. I will leave this thread for others who know the Kosci. N. P. better than I do , which would not be hard really.This is Seaman's hut , Main Range. N.S.W. from a 2009 April trip I did up there.
I would think a photo of the inside of the huts may be more useful. Personally I would rather sleep on the snow. Johnston Hut is not suitable to sleep in unless you have a key. The public area is big enough for a couple to sit around and get out of the weather. People should also remember these huts are not provided for anything more than emergency shelter. Some also have considerable heritage value. Wood stores are placed for emergencies as well and wood can be hard to find in winter. Most of the huts are rat or mouse infested but often they are a small rat like marsuipal called antechinus which can be just as troublesome but are protected. Hang your packs and do not leave food lying around.
I think the two areas suggested would provide a great experience. This link will show what I think is the most helpful map for the Bogong High Plains. It can come laminated, has distances and more. http://www.mapsbookstravelguides.com.au/bogong_alpine_area_map_spatial_vision
Perhaps, without starting another war, someone could suggest the best map for the KNP. I am not sure if they can post overseas but there is time to sort that out. Better to have them before you get here but if not then they are available in many of the towns nearby.
I use this map to do a lot of my planning for walks/skiing/snowshoeing in NSW. It uses NSW 1:25000 Topo maps overlayed on satellite imagery, there is a slider at the top right of the page to adjust the opacity between map and image - This is great for checking scrub/tree density etc.
I have added some points of interest such as huts and mountains. You can draw routes between the markers and export to GPS files. Drawing lines/routes also tells you the distance in Km's
Obviously I haven't included everything and only placed markers from Dead Horse to Jagungal, if people want to add anything, feel free and re-share the link.
I like the Rooftops map of the Kosci .N.P. and the Spatial Vision Map is good too.The same can be said about the Bogong High Plains.
Here is a picture of inside O` Keefe's hut in Kosci. Nat.Park N.S.W.
Inside O' Keefes hut there are :chairs ; tables ; separate sleeping rooms without bunks ; benches and a fireplace. It does not have double door (like an air lock chamber ) to keep snow drifts out the way say Federation hut or Cleve Cole hut do in the Mt. Feathertop and Mt. Bogong areas respectively. Derchshko's hut in the Kosci. N.P. has double glazed windows which is a brilliant idea for retaining heat in cold weather.
RE: Maps. Both the Victorian high country/alpine valley towns of Corryong and Myrtleford have shops or petrol stations that sell ROOFTOPS topographical maps of the areas being discussed.
I would advise against the Rooftop maps for snow navigation and stick with the more detailed 1:25000 maps. They are far more detailed and the contours are easier to read.
5 star hut interiors with itinerant warden
A photo of the interior of the very comfortable Mt. Wills hut in the greater Bogong Alpine area in N.E. Victoria.It is about 20 kms on foot from Cleve Cole hut on Mt. Bogong. The photo is just to display what some of the Victorian Alpine huts look like inside.
Inside GGS hut at Mt. Stirling July 2016 . I like a nice fire after traversing the summit area in poor conditions
.Yes that is me, Mr. T. in the Blue Jacket.
Sheer luxury! Nice fire, by the way!
"- how to get to the starting point (bus? train?), since we will land in Melbourne."
Most people who visit the Bogong high plains in winter for back country ski/snow shoe touring of the high plains huts (and dare I say it the snow pole lines ;-P ) approach from Falls Creek alpine resort.
If you are taking a train from Melbourne's Southern Cross railway station, then you can catch the rural rail service known as V/Line to Wangaratta. From there a bus takes you to the small town of Mt. Beauty. From there in the ski season there are buses that shuttle people up and back to and from Falls Creek.
Being a regular up there all year round I find taking my own car to be expensive during white season, because the cost of overnight parking per night is AUD $55.00 .
Therefore I am always looking into ways to get up to the Bogong High Plains in order to evade this fee. You can hike in from Howman's Gap ( at the toll booth area on the approach road ) up at least two or three possible ways as well as coming in from the other side of the Massif up the Kelly track from the Big River bridge area.
Here is a photo from Early Sept. 2016 of Edmondson's hut on the Bogong High Plains.
Transport other than renting a car and/or driving yourself in your own vehicle from Melbourne to/from the Kosci. N.P. is something I have used only once. I got a lift with friends who manage a chalet in Thredbo. They took me to Khancoban. From there I got a ride in the mail delivery van to Albury / Wodonga with the postman!. Then I caught a train from Albury / Wodonga to Melbourne.
A web search shows that there is a bus from Albury /Wodonga to Thredbo, especially during ski season.
So if you take the early train from Melbourne to Albury / Wodonga then you can connect with the bus the same day and be in Thredbo the same day.