I have more trouble skiing big bumps...discuss

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  1. Annabuzzy

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    So there you go. I have more difficulty skiing big bumps than powder. In the skinny ski era powder was an expert domain, but now not so. You can buy a turn, or at least make it much easier. But you can’t buy a ski which skis bumps for you. It’s all about the skier.

    So yes. I find big bumps much more challenging than powder. Is this the new (old) frontier?
     
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    Skiing bumps is all about the line, ski on the flat parts not the steep parts.

    To do this you need to be able to do nice round short turns with correct leg rotary and use the bumps like a NASCAR banked corner, doing all the work for you. Heel push and you'll just slide sideways down the steep part and slam in to the next bump
     
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    It's amazing he can come to a stop with that hip rotation.
     
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    That doesn't help most people because it shows you that there ARE many ways to ski bumps, but doesn't show you how to really ski them.
     
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    That's why I was LOL
     
  8. Sandy

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    And:
    - Plant the pole on the top of the bump, as this will give you a better body position
    - Control your speed on the part of the bump with the least steepness: The part where the slope is uphill.
     
  9. CarveMan

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    This pic is OK - the orange lines are the spines of the bumps, and the yellow lines are the steep faces, they are generally scraped, their gradient is steeper than the overall gradient of the run and they can also be icy as they are more shaded due to being more steep. Ski around them.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Sandy

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    And this video is telling you to control your speed on those yellow parts, which in my view, is just plain wrong:
     
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    No no
    This is how you ski bumps.

     
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    No. THIS is how you ski bumps:

     
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    Need the music so you can do it properly...
     
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    Feet together to slip easily through the narrow saddles between bumps. Can be done with regular stance but requires more adjustment in balance.
     
  15. Ralf_Plow

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    If you want to be good at bumps you need to ski them. Practice, practice, practice.

    No amount of watching youtube or looking at pictures will help as much as practice. Never avoid a bump line, ski at least one mogul field every day you ski, you will get better.
     
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    Just download Dog Days of Winter
    You will learn everything you need to know about bump skiing.

    Great film. We went to the premier at the Sun Valley Film Festival.
     
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    :drool:

    If that was a pic from September or March I'd be like Quagmire...
     
  18. Seth

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    Can't believe no one has said the old quote about bumps and not being able to ski. ;)

    :out:
     
  19. dawooduck

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    90mm wide all mountain bum skis .....
     
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    I attended a bump training course in Canada this year and this is what they are teaching these days.

    There are 2 ways you can tackle bumps, and these are the 2 ways we practiced.

    1) The conventional short rounded turn, turning close the top of the bump, but they were even teaching making 2 turns per bump in steeper areas. But I found the two turns were almost jump turns, rather than rounded turns.

    2) What they called the freestyle turn. Feet closer together and turning in the valleys. Looking slightly heel push, but don't heel push. Still using your tips to turn the skis.

    A couple of tips they taught me.
    1) Find a line before you start and look about 2 bumps ahead whilst skiing.

    2) Hands and weight forward. As soon as you start hitting bumps, natural instinct is weight goes back to protect yourself. Fight that instinct.

    3) With weight forward, keep your tips in contact with the snow at all times. Tips on snow, turns the ski and keep the rest of the ski in control. As soon as tips come up, you'll be ejected pretty quickly. Tails coming off the ground is OK, but not optimal.

    4) Something they told me to work on. Don't double pole plant. One poleplant per turn, on the top of the mogul.

    5) And lastly. Things happen very fast in moguls. So it's not a ski style, that you can think about too much, whilst you are skiing them. It must come naturally. So practice the technique out of moguls, where you get more time, as often as possible. So when you are in them. It does come naturally.
     
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    I find it easier if i shorten my poles.
     
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  22. Crystal

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    Best advice I have heard (@sly_karma giving it to kids)...plant your pole on top of the bump and ski around it.
     
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    Ski bumps like they’re not even there
     
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    Heel lifts too? Bloody hippy freestyler.
     
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    When you go arse over , there is always the excuse- damn must have picked a bad line.
     
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    Having practiced and rehearsed your most effective excuse, is as important as practicing the skiing.

    You're going to need it frequently. LOL
     
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    Wasnt me. The binding pre released.
     
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    There are more than 2 ways to tackle moguls....
     
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    Best way is to just go relatively straight! ;)ROFL
     
  30. W0nkey D0nkey

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    Get full tilts.
     
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    That is exactly what they said. Though we only practiced the two I described.

    My instructors first sentence was,"I wish there was an special exercise that we could do, to make you ski better in moguls. But there's no silver bullet to moguls."

    The only exercises we did repetitively, was practicing turns only the uphill, and then the easier, only on the downhill ski. He said this helps because you are quite often balancing on a single ski as the skis lift through the bumps.
     
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    For my skiing I think about strong extension into the trough and, when absorbing the bump, imagining someone is grabbing into my jacket at my sternum and pulling up and forward. This keeps my weight forward where it often goes back.
     
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    I'd guess my mogul skiing sucks these days, wouldn't know as it's been so damned long since I've hit them LOL
    I do recall screaming thighs about a decade ago in Telluride, that place has em :eek:

    I
    Like
    Big

    Bumps and I cannot lie
     
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    Getting old is no excuse, however..... ;)
     
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    It is an excuse when you cart wheel 3 times on a steep bump run and have the kids asking every time....you okay mum ?

    Geezz.
     
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    Yep!!! ;)
     
  37. piolet

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    Lack of want
     
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    And Look turntable bindings. Must stick to the uniform.
     
  39. DPS Driver

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    Bumps. Years of practice and I suppose from the outside it looks like I can ski them reasonably well.

    But on the inside in most bump runs i do there's always an Oh Fck moment and far, far more self speak than any other run. "Absorb, extend, absorb extend, stay loose, stay loose, Oh Fck, absorb, extend........."
     
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    Just did a few short bump runs last week at Furano. On 115mm pow skis, but the rocker helped. Best tip I ever had for keeping forward was ...plant the pole then push it forward like gear stick in a car. Back in the day when we drove cars with gear sticks on the floor, for the young ones among us.
     
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    Knees. If you have weak knees, forget it.
     
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    This is an awesome pic
     
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    This video is well shot and explained. Fore aft balance drills, very advanced. He makes it look easy but buggered if I can do it!!
     
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    Look pivots.
     
  46. Chaeron

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    Nothing beats hitting a set of well-shaped bumps. There’s a lot of pleasure to be had in negotiating an awesome set of curves, though it can be quite tricky in the back country, and if you get it wrong it will get icy pretty quickly and then its all over.

    With enough practice pre-release becomes less common, There’s no way you can avoid the inevitable face plant, but in the right conditions that can be good fun if you’r in the right mood and as long as you’re out there with the appropriate partner.

    I reckon it’s all about getting the pole plant right from the start.
     
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    And when you plant your pole in the wrong place...
     
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    I'm buggered just looking at that, much less actually doing that! :eek:
     
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    Right, just picture in my mind's eye that I am in my Honda Jazz. Actually not a bad memory jogger as I really need work the gears in it on say the Kings Hwy on the lower Clyde Mtn, cruise control definitely not an option.
     
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    This footage is so great. I really want to see some young rippers rediscover bumps skiing like this. Getting loose and creative in messy natural mogul fields rather than the controlled neat FIS mogul comps. Bumps skiing can be so much fun.
     
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