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Opinion If you don’t love skiing 200 foot hills, you don’t love skiing.

Discussion in 'Snow Talk' started by Ozgirl, Sep 4, 2020.

  1. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    A few years ago I sat next to someone flying back to Japan who had been in Aus to spectate Curling.
     
  2. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    That was my point!

    Heaps from perisher. but it's flat apparently!
     
  3. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Perisher gets a big boost from nordic which Thredbo misses out on.
     
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  4. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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  5. Telemark Phat

    Telemark Phat Pass the butter Ski Pass: Gold

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    Just read the article, Mt Bohemia is epic. So much snow and no body there.
     
  6. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    About 60.

    hmmph most quilters use inches. Metric is horrible.

    For a long time altitude wrt aircraft was feet. 10,000 ft above sea level you need oxygen.
     
  7. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Gees I was just thinking of the people I actually know. Mogul skiers plus 1 boardercross
     
  8. telecrag

    telecrag Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    I feel that my skiing has progressed so far, mainly from tips I have read right here on this forum, that I am now too good to actually ski any resort on the planet. Regardless of height.
     
  9. MarzNC

    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    There's a good reason few people ski Bohemia powder. It's a long way from anywhere that people live. Minimum 8 hour drive from the nearest big cities. That's in the summer when roads are clear. Pretty sure the last 5 hours is 2-lane road. From what I've read the folks who make the drive during the winter plan on 10-12 hours.

    All natural snow, no grooming, US$99 season pass . . . Mt. Bohemia is unique for a lot of reasons.



     
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  10. MarzNC

    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Can't resist . . . here's a video of powder skiing at Mt. Bohemia. By the way, no green terrain. Two blue cruisers around one side. Everything else on the trail map is black or double-black and most of the terrain is trees.

    About Mount Bohemia
    • Vertical drop: 900 feet (275 m)
    • Snowfall: 273 inches (7 m)
    • Skiable acres: 585 acres
    • Chairlifts: 2
    • Buses: 4
     
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  11. robbo mcs

    robbo mcs One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Well to put in perspective, Selwyn, Smiggs and Centre valley at Perisher are all around 125m, or 400ft. So 200ft is rather vertically challenged.
     
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  12. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    https://www.powder.com/videos/new-return-of-the-turn-reminds-us-who-the-real-skiers-are/
    I'd like a Buck Hill close by.

     
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  13. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    and for the hell of it:
     
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  14. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Especially when being shown around by a 13+ year patroller, though that was 22 years ago. Would be more fun to do now.
     
  15. MarzNC

    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    In the U.S. hills that are under 1000 ft (~300 m) are consider pretty short on vertical. My home hill is 1100 ft, which is actually more than any ski area in all of Pennsylvania. Massanutten was founded in 1971 and averages about 25 inches of natural snowfall the entire winter, even though there can be a blizzard that drops 10+ inches every few years. Many of the ski hills from that era are long gone since they depended on natural snow. Only the resorts that invested in snowmaking and had summer revenue early on survived.

    The mountains in this article are all east of the Mississippi. What "near" means is 3-4 hours drive.

    Feb 2020, Forbes (USA)
    North America’s Best Ski Mountains At 1,000 Vertical Feet Or Less
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/rogers...s-at-1000-vertical-feet-or-less/#230b5e0d5c56

    Elk, PA - near DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia
    Wachusett, MA - near Boston
    Catamount, MA/NY (literally on the border) - near New York City
    Granite Peak, WI - near Minn./St. Paul and Milwaukee
    Blue Mountain, ONT - near Toronto

    I've skied at Elk and Wachusett. Both are quite fun with a good range of terrain for al levels. Mostly groomed trails, nothing off-piste but a few sections are allowed to bump up at times. Skiing in the trees after a big storm is strictly forbidden.

    Wachusett is owned by a local family that also owns a company that makes a regional soda. They invested in three high speed detachable lifts years ago, including one for the two long green trails. Those lifts are great for retirees and anyone else who can ski midweek when there aren't any lines. At least not until the school groups arrive around 2:30. Night skiing runs until 10 or 11pm. That's when the adult race "beer league" happens.
     
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  16. MarzNC

    MarzNC One of Us Ski Pass: Gold

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    Very fun video! I know guys in the southeast who are self-described "red necks who like to drink beer and ski." Note that beer is a higher priority than the skiing. ;)

    My niece is in grad school 30 min away from Buck Hill. But I can't get too excited about the idea of skiing short runs when it's 0ºF ( -18ºC). Maybe during the last week of the season one day. Buck Hill and several other hills in the northern midwest are on the Indy Pass.

    Minnesota has 16 or 17 ski areas/resorts. Including Afton Alps near Minn/St. Paul that was bought by Vail Resorts in 2012 as the first of the VR "urban" resorts.
     
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  17. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    Still is feet
    But he did say polite company
     
  18. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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    300m? I need a few breaks
     
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  19. D-eye

    D-eye Photographer and skier Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    If there was one within 30 minutes of here I'd be there on a regular basis.
     
  20. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    We were always talking metres and metres / second (vertical speeds) and km/h with European pilots.

    Circuit join 300M, oxygen on 3,000M, 5M/S is a strong thermal, 1/2M/S is pretty scratchy thermal, simples.
     
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  21. piolet

    piolet Better make it three Ski Pass: Gold

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  22. skichanger

    skichanger A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yeah varios were usually m/s.

    There were 3 Blaniks I flew. Airspeed indicators were in knots, mph and kph. Could be very confusing and a good reason to fly by attitude rather than instruments. Analog instruments help as well. Don’t read the numbers just look where the needle is pointing.
     
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  23. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    define home hill though, from Memory Torah moved O/S as a teen to the US and Zali spent large amounts of time in France, whilst most Aussie Olympians got there start at a home hill, that hill hardly defined them. I’m not saying that you suggested either of these were from Perisher etc.

    point is becoming an Olympian has a lot more to do with body shape / type and exposure to a sport. If you look at Zali and say Vonn their shape is the same, tallish but very powerful lower body. If you look at our past list of Olympians most either grew up near the mountains or had access (lodge etc) which made exposure cheaper and easier.

    Another example of this, is the Australian swimming team, plenty of top Olympians never grew up at the beach.

    The flip side is, for years we went through testing at the AIS to determine sports more specific to body type. They tried to refine us but reality this model kind of failed as as the love of the sport wasn’t there.
     
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  24. skifree

    skifree A disciple of the blessed avi giraffe Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    Yes most of the gliders I flew were all knots and feet. Metric was starting to become very visible as I dropped out of the sport.

    And yes needle position was always first guide that things were right or wrong.

    Just as important in gliders tho is the bumacraniun nerve, horizon and the yaw string.
     
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  25. MarzNC

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    How about 400 ft vertical of dry powder from a storm that dropped 29 inches (73cm)? Snow Ridge is just east of Buffalo, NY. Different Great Lake than Mt. Bohemia but same impact. Snow Ridge gets the full force of lake effects snow at times. While Whiteface in Lake Placid might get 10 inches out of the same storm, Snow Ridge can get 2-3 feet. I've been reading about it for a few years. Only dedicated locals are likely to make it time to untracked turns. This trip report has pictures.

    March 3, 2020, NYSkiBlog (USA)
    Snow Ridge: Full Send Plateau
    https://nyskiblog.com/snow-ridge-full-send-plateau/

    I've been a passenger in a vehicle driving thru lake effect snow in western NY. Very strange to go from blizzard conditions for 20+ minutes to absolutely nothing in less than a minute.
     
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  26. Marty_McSly

    Marty_McSly Staying the **** at home. Ski Pass: Gold

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    Biggles could manage over 20,000 ft without oxygen. :p
     
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  27. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    It was all said tounge in cheek really.

    I realise it's all relative. just another minor dig at the 'thredo is better camp'

    But any day on hill is better than no day on hill!

    Would I weekend warrior to Selwyn as much as I have to Perisher? Probably not.

    but if Corin was my only option in Australia I would still go at least once a year!
     
  28. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    totally agree, give me a day skiing and I’ll be happy.

    but FWIW, there are just as many in the Perisher is better camp. Personally I don’t get it, I ski both, they both have advantages and both need improvements
     
  29. gareth_oau

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    I just love the entire mountain vistas, the atmosphere. SNOW.

    I;ll never be a good skier or boarder and so big mountains have no interest to me, apart from the spectacular views.

    I'm happy to spend all day on greens and blues.

    I'm also happy to ride a chairlift, go for a hike, or even sit in/outside a coffee shop and watch it all pass me by and watch others enjoying it
     
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    Corin Forest has potential.
     
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    It really does. As a beginner slope and snow play area it is so good already - close to a city, affordable, amenities etc - and if they expand the ski area more it’ll be even better. They’ve got the snowmaking thing down to a fine art.
     
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    Ozgirl has a bee in her bonnet about DaBo. It's a Perisher thing :p
     
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  33. zac150

    zac150 A Local Ski Pass: Gold

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    they are very restricted so what they have now is basically what they will have. That said I think they need to focus on the “want to try skiing” crowd, I think so many people would get more from there trip starting at Corin and getting the basics down.
     
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    They have a DA for a chairlift though?

    Edit to say yeah it’s definitely the perfect beginner ski area. It’s been booked out nearly completely all winter.
     
  35. zac150

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    I have my doubts, that area is super rich in historical value.
     
  36. telecrag

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    You can still see the old run from when I worked there, its a fair bit longer than what they have now. The original proposal went up the hill a fair way, think Selwyn length roughly.
     
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    Very basic editing tool on phone.

    The leased area tops out at 1320m.. the base of snow play: 1205m ... top of the old 80s cleared area, around 1250/1260m.

     
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  38. Ozgirl

    Ozgirl Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    Hahaha!

    As most on this forum know, I was going to ski Thredbo this season. covid changed that!

    Well see what happens next year...
     
  39. malas1

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    @Ozgirl should appreciate this little hill
     
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