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Indoor to outdoor climbing

Discussion in 'Backcountry' started by ActiveGal, Oct 16, 2006.

  1. ActiveGal

    ActiveGal First Runs

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    I'm taking a sideways glance at outdoor climbing after having been indoor climbing once a week for about eight years.

    Not seriously or competitively, just to keep toned and have a bit of fun.

    In roughly an hour my buddy and I scale 13 ropes a squash court high, very easy climbs - couple of overhangs but all super easy stuff. The climbs are like familiar roads, my hands and feet know where to go without looking or thinking - I'm sure I could climb some of them blindfolded. Actually might challenge my buddy to that tomorrow night for a giggle before our gym closes permanently.

    Is it possible to recreate this style of keeping fit outdoors? I'd need a few climbs relatively close together with anchor points top and bottom.

    Can someone point me in the right direction of legalities of outdoor climbing, particularly fixing anchor points?

    Any good reference points or suggested beginner courses for outdoor climbing?

    I really want to keep it light and fun and just for fitness rather than get too serious or competitive with myself.

    Any hints / tips appreciated!!
     
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    Sport climbing... close the the CC I'd go to Berowra for an intro.... http://www.sydneyclimbing.com/

    Grey area. You are at your own risk. This is the esence of climbing. Even with steel and stone, nuttin lasts forever.

    Hmmm. The Freedom of the Hills is the Bible. Buy an intro to sport climbing at your local climbing store. Gym might even have one.

    Courses ? Dunno. Heaps of Gyms run them.
     
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    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I reckon you need to tour some off the popular climbing areas on weekends and see them being worked. Plenty of climbing guides available in outdoor shops. You'll need to buy some "string". I assume you've boots and harness. Lead climbing will require a lot more gear over time but I figure you'll be happy with top roping.

    As far as areas go I figure Lindfield may be a good start for you. Plenty of climbers amongst this lot, we may even get up a Moosh Climbing day [​IMG]
     
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  4. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    thats a good idea, mt boyce?
     
  5. climberman

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    THE BIG K!

    Consumer classics, sun, sand, sea and stone !

    First weekend in November looks the goods.
     
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    Wow, thank you for your quick responses!

    Thanks climberman for the link, I'm sure I'll be busy there for hours! That's a great reference, I've got google earth too so very useful very quickly!

    (I'm kind of struggling with the lingo as much as anything!)

    I have so much to learn.

    Is top roping and sport climbing the same thing?

    Majikthise a Moosh climb sounds interesting!! [​IMG] Would it be the first or have they already happened before? Muz and I did the very first drinks night so we'll have to bring him too!
     
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  7. ActiveGal

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    I understand I'm at my own risk and they are perishable, I'm unsure about the legality of it?

    Can I just find a rock and put a permanent anchor point in or am I supposed to get permission? (Maybe I'd be better off NOT asking that question and pleading ignorance...)
     
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    On Saturday, me and a partner got to base of Fuddy Duddy - grade 14, 95 metres over 3 pitches, then later moved over to Cave Climb - grade 13, 68 metres. The climbs are not sports routes, but 'trad' routes, requiring the leader to carry and place an array of removable 'protection'. There are anchor points at the top of each pitch (which is the bottom of the next pitch). Trees are utilised at ground level to connect the belayer to.
    Not for two newbies into the real world, and Narrow Neck climbs are considered hard for the grade.
    Started climbing at 0730, finished before 2pm.

    Stuffed up abseiling down from the top of Fuddy Duddy - the 50 metre rope doubled over was about 1 metre short and I hung 1 metre out from the shaley ledge. In increasing winds, it took alot of effort to tie myself off when abseiling on a stitch plate, then tie knots in the end of the rope, untie and abseil onto the stopper knots, then swing in and grab slings we had connected to the Bolt Belay. Getting off the system, I then dropped the stitch plate which promptly shot off the cliff...


    "...before our gym closes permanently."
    I was lead to believe that indoor rock-climbing was growing in popularity.
     
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  9. Shrek

    Shrek Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    sound like your describing point perpendicular
     
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    Shrek Old n' Crusty Ski Pass: Gold

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    top roping V sport

    ill try and better heads can correct me.

    top roping is where the rope runs though an ankor at the top of the pitch. done buy setting up then walking or abseiling down to the start of the climb. belay from botom or top depending. no placing of pro, no removal of pro.

    sport. climbing where the route has been bolted, so instead of hexes and wedges and cams, you only carry bolt plates.

    trad, climbing where you leave nothing but chalk marks, second removes the pro and there is no bolt to disfigure the rock.

    so people argue that using trad gear is still aid climbing, some extremists argue that even climbing boots and slippers are an aid and that for the true spirit we should go barefoot, or naked.
    The pain of layer os skin vbeing scrapped off on sandstone does not thrill me so im not in that group.
     
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    Originally posted by ActiveGal:
    At MD in Katoomba St afterwards, I asked about purchasing a replacement belay/abseil device, and was served by semi-ledgendary hardman, Garth Miller. In our conversation, he spoke of bolting while route-setting at Blackheath's speccy Hanging Rock, which is in the Blue Mountains National Park, and indeed the declared Grose Wilderness.
    Heck! - I don't think he sought permission to take a drill and a bank of batteries.

    In your situation, ActiveGal, just take a second (static) rope from which to set up a top-rope system. Clip this rope to a flat sling tied with a tape-knot to a distant fat, and LIVE, tree or 2. And set this rope down low to minimise leverage forces pulling the tree out of the ground. Which is unlikely. Then from a 'locker' (locking 'biner, put your dynamic [or static if top-roping, some say] rope through that for a yo-yo set-up.
     
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  12. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    I'm still waiting for the day Garth's body catches up with his arms
     
  13. Majikthise

    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    oh and AG , as far as climbing goes I figure Muz would make great belay.

    A seaside Moosh climbing venue would be handy the way the summer weather is going.
     
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    Thanks for that explanation Shrek! Top Roping is for me!! [​IMG]

    Seak "our gym" is getting rid of it's climbing section that was never set up well in the first place. The first time we went there, some bright spark had decided talc would be good to use for chalk....! [​IMG] Most 'climbers' wouldn't dream of using it, it was just amazingly conveniently located for us and always empty so no waiting for a rope.

    It has mostly been used by scouts I think, it has massive pieces and they're demolishing it to make way for more treadmills or something as exciting as that.

    We've asked about the pieces, ropes and equipment - hoping they're prepared to sell them to us! Would make a fantastic climbing gym for my two godsons backyard.
     
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  15. seak

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    I bought some 2nd hand gear off a guy a couple of months back, whose girly didn't like the exposure at Point Perpendicular. Even on 2nd. The abseils in might not give confidence to a newbie above the roar of the ocean.
    Diamond Bay at Vaucluse is seaside and there are easier shorter routes in immediately adjacent Rosa Gully, I think.
     
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    Cam = Camming Device = SLCD = Self-Loading Camming Device = ~ $115 each.

    Wild Country are an English mnufacturer who make cams called 'Friends'.

    HB are a Welsh manufacter who make cams called 'Quadcams'.

    Black Diamond are an American manufacturer who make cams called 'Camalots'.

    I have 10 cams comprising of all three makes. No two are the same size.

    Cams have 4 spring loaded metal 'teeth', that retract and allow placement in a parallel crack, to which an attached carabiner allows a dynamic climbing rope to be 'clipped in'. Should you fall, the cam will likely arrest your fall, due to its camming action.

    Hexes also rely on a camming action, but are 6-sided pieces of hollow aluminium. You can (almost) buy a rack of hexes for the price of one cam, but they are a little more fiddly to use. I enjoy placing hexes as part of my climbing fun.
     
  17. climberman

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    Stay away from the seacliffs when starting if reductions in panic are aimed at. Diamond is too weirdo for your stage. Glue, drilled pockets, sand and salt sweat... Unless Rosa has been rebolted it's a mush of rotting steel in a sea of sand. Great lines though.

    The Point is a headspace.

    Mt Keira (The Big K) is luverly. Has an east, west, north and south face so you can chase the shadows or the sun. Bushland setting, views over the 'gong, freeway access.

    seak.... shhhsshhshshh ..... ...... ..... Hanging Rock is another headspace. Classics and cheese. Often in the same pitch !
     
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    climberman CloudRide1000 Legend Ski Pass: Gold

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    AG - the lingo is peculiar but contained in it's spread... you'd pick it up in twenty minutes at the crag. Or a lifetime, or something.
     
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    AG, are you currently climbing at Marsfield on the squash courts there?

    Is Activegal's situation the perfect excuse toget a Moosh climbing trip going?
     
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    Bolt plates. $5.50 each. A piece of steel best carried in your chalk bag, that is placed over a bolt previously placed (by drilling and gluing and hammering). A quick-draw is then clipped. And then the rope is clipped in.

    Quick-draws are two snap-gate carabiners connected by a short load-rated sewn sling. Make your own or buy as a complete unit.

    Once a 'draw' or any 'biner is on a bolt plate, it is impossible for the bolt-plate to come off over the hexagonal shape of the bolt-head.

    To get into 'sport', you will need perhaps eight quick-draws and a similar number of bolt-plates. Yet a few routes at Mt York, say, have stainless steel bolt rings glued into the rock all up the face at appropriate spacings.
     
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  22. Shrek

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    even I could use him as a counter weight
     
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    How is trad climbing aid climbing?? Placing your own gear vs clipping bolts??

    No understand

    And Activegal, go to any outdoor shop and buy a copy of a book called "How to Sports Climb". Read it. You will then be equipped to decide whether you can make this jump or not. There is a lot more to outdoor climbing, even sports climbing, than athleticism. If you need it get someone to hold your hand.

    Paul
     
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    It's the European in Shrekko coming out.

    I'll go to the Big K for a klimb
     
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    Thre newly invented "Trad French Free"?? Novel...

    P
     
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    You have it in one.
     
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    Based on his climbing experiences, didn't Lincoln write a novel. Strangley, I haven't seen it in the Op shops like I used to since his escape from the death zone.
     
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    What's next? High ethics sport climbing?

    As someone of note said... "Sport climbing is neither"

    :)

    P
     
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    It's a real shocker. I think it's called 'Blood on the Lotus'. It's about a westerners experience with Tibetan rebels fighting the Chinese in the 1960's or 70's.

    Lets just say that he is an excellent non-fiction writer, something he should stick to in future efforts.
     
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    I am certain Lincoln is working on a much-awaited piece of non-fiction now, Bogong.

    In White Limbo, I think Lincoln Hall mentions that the advent of Friends (Cams, ActiveGal!) in the late 1970's assisted to push his climbing by 2 or 3 grades.
     
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    Aid climbing - using the hardware to aid your way up the wall. Originally this meant hammering steel pegs of various shapes (pitons) into cracks, and hauling up on slings or webbing attached to those. You can also aid climb by hauling on cams or wedges etc..

    Trad climbing - climbing the rock using only the rock for hand and foot holds. Gear such as passive wegdes, spring-loaded-camming-devices (SLCDs) are placed into cracks and gaps in the rock as you go and are retrieved by the seconder. The gear is placed to run the rope through to act as a safety device. The rope is there to catch a fall. It is considered poor form to haul on the gear or to sit your weight on the rope. People who do these things and still claim to have successfully completed the climb are (rightly) considered to be scum.

    Sport climbing - Like trad climbing but using fixed protection that has been permanently placed on the climb prior to ascent. This may range from bolts (over which you sit a bent metal plate to attach a carabiner to), to metal rings, to pre-placed quick-draws. Not needing to be able to fiddle with gear placements on a precarious stance without fatiguing generally means that you can climb much harder on sport routes.

    Top roping - just like the gym, but outdoors. The rope is placed first with a pulley system on an anchor at the top, and you belay from the ground just like the gym.

    Trad climbing is my favourite variety. [​IMG]
     
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    Exploratory alpine: do whatever you need to do to get to the top.

    Paul
     
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    Once in a while we are all scum [​IMG]
     
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    Similar to going backcountry (& frontcountry), it can be real useful to go with some others who know the ropes (haha) to point out the small things that might not be self-evident [​IMG]
     
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    the arguement is set out in the wolgan guide much better than I can do. basicaly it goes that, if you are using equipment not attached to you when you were born, you are aiding. slings and shoes and ropes were considfered aids. Bolts and clipping didnt exist. ah, decadence. [​IMG]
     
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    Y'see, I reckon that carrying a heavy rack of trad gear, and dicking around getting pumped while placing it is a handicap compared with soloing nude. The chalk and sticky rubber I am happy to accept are aids, not so the rest - unless you actually use it (in addition to hauling on the rock itself) to get up.
     
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    [/QUOTE]Y'see, I reckon that carrying a heavy rack of trad gear, and dicking around getting pumped while placing it is a handicap compared with soloing nude. The chalk and sticky rubber I am happy to accept are aids, not so the rest - unless you actually use it (in addition to hauling on the rock itself) to get up. [/QB][/QUOTE]

    Yep I agree, except for the little drawback of certain death if you fall under the nude soloing scenario. Not to mention the nasty sunburn on regions not normally touched by the sun's rays... Gives a whole new meaning to 'crack climbing'.
    [​IMG]
    P
     
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    Waitara - Millenium gym. I live in Hornsby so it is a gym within walking distance that we usually had all to ourselves. Are you insinuating another gym used talc instead of chalk?! Gotta say I'm pretty amazed if that's the case!! [​IMG]

    I have so much reading to do.. and currently being audited so will come back to this!
     
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    Not at all, I didn't realise that another gym had been set up inside a squash court. If you and your climbing partner decide to migrate down to St Leonards, let me know.
     
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    Viking Gym in Newcastle was in 3 squash courts. Was.
     
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    Great thread thanks! The kids and I climb indoors regularly, but I'm keen to get them outside on the Kangaroo Pt cliffs. :thumbs:
     
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    Don't really have anything to add but want to keep a track of good website references here and this one is really helping me learn about the pieces and ropes and buckles and bits and bobs... Suddenly the disorienting lingo might start to click for me...!

    http://www.metoliusclimbing.com
     
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    Another good site, is Petzl's "advice" on technique pages...here the link to rockclimbing (there are other pages there for ice-climbing, glacier safety/travel, canyoning, etc)

    ...scroll down to "advice"
    http://en.petzl.com/petzl/SportActivite?Activite=14

    It's good to note - it is important that one makes one's own assessment of risks ...various advice on techcniques and methods is OK and what works for some down't always work for others. One should make up one's own mind, scrutinise and be comfortable taking the risks you've assessed. Nothing is 100% risk free, it's all about reducing the odds of bad risks.
     
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    Thank you Romfrantic! :cheers:
     
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    Lots of good info on the Chockstone Website even through it's run by Mexicans. It seems to have become the defacto NSW forum.
     
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    Chockstone is good...a few of us from around here post there a bit...all the silly QLDers and NSWers are hitting it up now....but thats ok, they need to learn some ethics about bolting...
     
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    we know all about bolting, never you worry about that.
     
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    AlanD Part of the Furniture Ski Pass: Gold

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    I've noticed for few of us over on it.

    The NSW forum leaves a lot to be desired.
     
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    Majikthise Sage Moderator Ski Pass: Gold

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    TF second post in this thread!
     
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    telemark fred One of Us

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