Joisus! You had it pretty good in NSW last winter. At least compared with Vic!
Inflated Accommodation Prices gone mad 2021 Season Jindabyne and Perisher
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$2,800 including lift passes:
Doesn't include lunch or dinner, and staying in Lucy Lodge. So food options would be Stillwell Restaurant or The Chalet.
My cost so far 2 weeks accomodation (end July and beginning of September) for 2 (full board) and 2 annual passes $6,798. Only additional costs will be Ski Tube, any private lessons we take and alcohol. The annual pass pays for itself if staying for more than 10 days and hopefully I will be able to make use of any casual vacancies in my lodge (managers have me on speed dial for late cancellations).
A factual comment would be, "anyone notice a huge price increase this year?"
I dont understand coming in all guns blazing and doing the whole "I got a good deal sucks for the rest of you"
You have no idea my situation etc. I could have been offended you were rubbing it in my face.
I keep getting in trouble from another friend too. But I really like my tent and bedi'd be in trouble if she knew where you were really sleeping!
It's not greed @jabsy, when insurance costs consume over 40% of your revenue you have no option if you want to provide accommodation to the general public.
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Indeed. I don't think the OP realises that 2020 costs have caught up with the lodges this year. I spoke to a few lodge owners and managers last year, and I don't remember any of them saying they were doing better than break-even and that would have been the exception.
It will be interesting to see what happens once O/S opens up again. (Not the BS opening that could end up costing you an extra 2 weeks quarantine). Yes we live in a capitalist market and yeah many got smashed last year with COVID but if you smash the budget traveller too much they may just keep saving and end up O/S once it opens up again. And you know most of the people willing to pay the crazy prices will def be spending O/S so what sort of a issue is this going to create down the track?
There are enough people to always fill. When the gates open back up to students/immigration and foreign tourists. Lots of our airbnb bookings came from mainland China, Malaysia and Singapore alone.
Hell yeah. That sounds like what my old club (Snowbird) would be doing. Loved it. Now that all the kids have grown up I just get to go down for a 5 day mid week blast with the daughter so Thredbo suits more, but I love CPV.
Thank gawd the daughter's BF doesn't like skiing and we still get to go for some father daughter bonding
If Unzud is open for business next year, don't be surprised if their price levels are well into gouging territory. And you won't get anything like discounted flights. Start saving now.
Oh I will gladly head to NZ next year if the prices in Oz continue to be this high and so will a lot of others. No - I'm NOT an ignorant fool as you suggest - just a person who looks for value for money and one who does not endorse greed (like a lot of other people). There has to be a balance.
You don't get it do you? We are a not for profit registered organisation. We need to cover our running expenses, so charge accordingly. You clearly have no idea on how to run a business entity. Personal Attack Deleted.Last edited by a moderator:
Interested to hear how lodge insurances can rack up to that 40%. Genuinely out of interest. My holiday unit (one in a strata block of 4) has a building insurance policy and then I have my own short stay policy in place.
Combination of both is nowhere near 40% of my revenue. More like 5-7% depending on how much summer use.
My unit is in jindy. I understand on hill building insurance would be higher but wouldnt have thought so much.
We're a timber clad building at the top of a heavily vegetated slope, classed very high risk. There 30+ buildings in the same category. My understanding is that even buildings like the Arlberg, all brick and in a lower risk area are having trouble getting insurance.
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Insurance is a weird bit of business. Even my low risk home insurance in Perth has gone up substantially because of the East Coast fires last year. The underwriters will need to recover those payouts via increased premiums on everyone
Insurance went through the roof. Also just generally difficult to get/renew insurance in the first place at any price since last year. My source: Two lodges in Perisher plus a chap I surf with once or twice a week does - among other things - insurance inspections of ski lodges (NSW and Vic).
Insurance since the fires a couple of years back has gone crazy, in alpine areas as well as other country areas. About half the underwriters have stopped offering insurance, others have just stopped fire cover. Premiums of those that are left, some not taking on new clients, have double and tripled, on what was already huge insurance costs. One lodge IIRC went from about $30k to $90K this year.The earlier you book, the cheaper it is. You would have to be blind to not see that prices and demand were going to be high this year. My partner and I booked a tiny house in Kalkite for mid August back in January and its only costing us $1200 for a week.
A lot of these places are also subsidized by the Feds in the form of negative gearing , so people should be grateful that these rental properties are providing a service to the the local tourism market and thus making ski holidays more affordable
I'm sure if the borders are still closed next year , many owners will realign their prices in line with supply and demand.
I'm disappointed that nobody has posted that pic of the line at Perisher that did the rounds yesterday.
Excuse the ignorance, but what's the drive time between Kalkite and Thredbo/Perisher each day? Wouldn't that be a pain the arse?
Better to stay indoors
Snow shoe or snowboard ? No que where Im going !
The V8 queue was cycling through reasonably, the quad queue though was horrid. 10am.
Kalkite - Jindy.......15 minutes, then, whatever it takes.
So whats the primary cause for the mega long lift lines.
Lack of snow on the ground to open more lifts or staffing problems and an inability to open more lifts due to lack of staff.
Skiing is popular, and will be more so this year due to no travel last summer and most likely no travel this coming summer.
Google says its only 15 mins to Jindabyne. So whatever it is from there plus 15. This will be my first time.
We knew 4 months ago that this season was going to be like no other with forward bookings .
You would hate to think that they have not sorted out staffing issues with getting lifts open
Have you ever been to Copper Mountain? Skiing in the USA can be cheaper than you think, for those "in the know".
Give Kiss Travel a call on 08 6142 8962, ask for David Andrews and quote referral code "NA Deals from ski.com.au". He'll greet you like a long lost friend and set you up with some fantastic deals on flights, accommodation and lift tix.
Total terrain open for the customer load.
Enough snow to open a little more ( Mt P, blue cow terminal and Zalis) , but not enough staff to prepare and run. Most aren't due in till the next 2 weeks for the school holidays.
You plan staffing 4 months in advance. Since most are itinerant workers coming in for the season at a specific time, you can't just ask them to come 2, 3, 4 weeks earlier than scheduled at a moment's notice, where do you put them?
And it's all for just 1 weekend.
if it didn't snow last week, do you think that it would have been so busy? Lots have driven down just because of this snow fall.
Actually they don't want to pay them, and every single weekend will probably be like this due to massive demand from customers this year.
I spent most of my 20s chasing the snow in France and Australia and usually the really quiet time for work was in between the summer season and waiting for the winter season to kick of.
The summer resorts would have well and truly laid of their staff.
You just sit around waiting for the snow to start falling, oh wait that's already happened !!
Back in those days many companies provided accommodation for their winter staff, but the bean counters figured out years ago they could rent the rooms out to paying guests and the workers sorted out their own accommodation.
Now customers are paying the price, because they dont have the staff available to open up when the demand is there.
This. Worst thing for those people too is to be in Jindy “early”, not getting any hours of work, and burning money at Jindy winter rates… Leads to bad results all round.
Well there is/was a steady stream of requests/queries for accommodation for "staff" on Facebook saying they were starting/needing accommodation from mid next week.
Yeah , its a bit late for that , especially if the accommodation isn't there .
This isn't a new problem, its been brewing for years , they knew they had a problem years ago and absolutely nothing was done .
Housing staff all the way in Berridale wasn't a solution, it was just kicking the can further down the road.
Young kids are not going to head off to the ski resorts if they cannot get accommodation.
They dont even want to earn good money , but they dont want to get ripped off, and they want to go out and socialize , have a good time at the pubs and ski when they are not working.
Not live in some isolated place, where they are "out of sight and out of mind"
No overseas staff had proven to be a difficult hurdle to overcome.
COVID is another issue. Lots of people in the industry, really experienced people, seasonal managers etc were told to go home after Falls and Hotham closed last winter.
Lots of people turned down their job offers when Melbourne locked down. Potential staff are worried that after going to the time and effort to relocate for the winter they'll just be sent home again due to another wave of COVID.
Accommodation like you say is another big problemSimilar threads
