Is 2017 Shaping Up To Be A Lean Season?

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  1. Xplora

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    This happened early June but then none since so the sun has done its job and there has been no real top up. The insulating factor is one I had not thought of before but can see it as logical. Those years where frosts are early and plentiful would have a better chance of keeping snow from melting. I am not concerned about this season as yet. I have one food drop in place and may get a second in before winter connects properly. I am more concerned about a drier winter not providing for spring growth on the farm. That means feeding out longer or starting to feed out earlier next year.
     
  2. Froff Life

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    Nothing significant in the forecast for the next fortnight at this stage. School holiday sliding will be restricted to snowmaking areas only.
     
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    The prediction thread for July 3-5 gives some cause for optimism, does it not?
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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  6. blackice

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    Decent cover in June is a massive bonus. Personally I don't even really think about it till mid July (but I'll do a run down next week to check it out)
     
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    I see a lot of comments regarding 'ground cooling'. Isn't this concept debunked? Serious question.
     
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    Yawn. Wake me up after the school holidays. If there's no natural by late July then I will start to be concerned.
     
  9. bengarden

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    I love how some people don't care if theres no proper snow unti llate July. Serious? That means we have like about a 5 week season before it turns to ice and slush. No wonder the prices are so out of whack with the quality of snow and accomodation here when they have to gouge everyone in about a month and a half. I've had some great skiing in June the last few years and saved a whole lot on accomodation going early before school holidays to get in some early turns but not this year. I pulled the pin on a day trip this week and definitely won't be looking to get down while its school holiday carnage mode. Yes, for me its shaping up as a lean year........
     
  10. Cuddles

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    I agree, I thought it was generally accepted that we have no permafrost or ground freezing. That's said the ground is harder in winter .
     
  11. Cuddles

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    Nothing, Suggest we look deeper?
     
  12. IAB

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    In recent years I haven't been down until school holidays are done, and a couple of years ago (either 2014 or 2015) conditions meant I didn't go until the last week of July. Still managed to get 12+ days in.

    Of course everyone's situation is different with work, family etc and yes I would love to go in June but the fact that I haven't in recent years and have still managed to get plenty of days in means I'm not worried. Yet.
     
  13. FourSquare04

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    This is what happens after you get a few good years with early starts i.e. flashback to 3 years ago in 2014 where there was a 1m+ base and easily the best June conditions I can remember in 20+ years

    People tend to only remember them as being the norm and when we slip back into what 'actually' is the norm i.e. next to no snowfalls until July then everyone starts moaning and complaining that it's going to be a terrible season and all doom n gloom.

    This is Australia - we are lucky to receive 250cm of snow per winter in the Alpine Resorts.

    Our winters are 'fickle' at best
     
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  14. Old School Mike

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    Unfortunately I think youre right
     
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    ?
     
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    Europe was the same last season, very warm over Christmas New year, resorts not open, green grass then some snow early january then nothing for the rest, very lean relied on snow making
     
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  17. Old School Mike

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    I agree with bengarden. As I stated earlier, I quite often get some skiing done in June, albeit average. This has been the case the last 3 yrs. As a mostly back country skier, I find it concerning there is no real natural cover yet. We need a week or two for a natural cover to settle in and a base to develop before it is any good to ski. This means the BC probably won't be any good until late July or even August based on current forecasts. So far the extremely dry June is showing all the signs of a lean season.
     
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    I think your assessment for the school holidays is right.
     
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    We are lucky if we receive over 200 cm in a year (as measured by Snowy Hydro at Spencers Creek). Greater than 250 is a rare occurrence.
     
  20. Stephen James Allen

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    Yeah, I was in Japan on a lean season and it was sick.
     
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    Think @FourSquare04 was referring to 250cm total snowfall, not 250cm peak depth.
     
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    You've only just realised this? The Australian ski season has always been thus.

    Thankfully the 'ice and slush' in late August-early September can also be 'awesome spring corn' if you get your timing during the day and enough proper snow fell in July/August.
     
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    If yes, great for cheaper snow holidays but the quality experience would be compromised and too many lean seasons would increase pressure on ski industry businesses as the upwardly mobile and prosperous decide to commit to annual overseas ski trips more frequently, leaving behind weekenders, budget visitors, schools etc. There needs to be some great years here so people going into business in the regions can be adequately rewarded for their risk.
     
  24. bengarden

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    I don't buy the "this is a normal Australian snow season" thing . This has got to be one of the warmer starts to a season on record for daytime temps at Perisher. I know theres been plenty of nights to make snow but seriously, I haven't really seen more than a few daytimes at or below freezing. The average daytime temp is running at 2 degrees over average with a few days left in the month and nights are .7 degree warmer. Forecast is 6 and 7 degree days on the wkd. Spring really......Its just the lack of actual weather thats getting me in Canberra. Day after day of the same, no wind, tops of about 12-13, occasional overcast but no precipitation. Its like a cool drought here, 2mm of rain all of June.
     
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    I have to agree that this winter season certainly has started slow in Melbourne too. I can't recall recently a run as long as we have had of basically no weather except for mild days and cool to cold nights. Nights have deff been colder than normal i would say though.

    Having said that we knew going into the season that it wasn't likely to be a particularly cold or wet one. At least not initially. So it comes as no surprise to me reflecting on the past 4 weeks.
     
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    Before man made snow there were many years that we could not ski until July onwards. General rule after 60 years of experience, Early start, early finish. Late start, late finish. Here in Aus. we rarely get a year of good quality and quantity the whole of the season. The snow will come, just sometimes later then normal, whatever normal might be in this country.
     
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    Will this be a lean season? No, I'm still fat!

    10th day for the year tomorrow. @Normo must be up to 20 or more?
     
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    23.......but who's counting............:D
     
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    I hate you Normo...
     
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    Only 9 for me :(
     
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    The reality of snow in Australia is this is what it is.
    The difference between a good year and average to poor one is if we get early snow - early being June.
     
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    Really depends on how you define a good year I guess. IMO there's too many variables to define it by the weather, or the snow depth, or the number of days of coverage in a season, or the number of wet days vs snow days. I define it by whether I had a good time visiting a snow area and so far (20+ years), every year has been a good year for me.
     
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  33. Old School Mike

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    Very good point. Any day on skis is a good one.
     
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    Unless it's pissing down rain
     
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    This is why god invented bars.
     
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    Incorrect. It's why man invented breathable, technical fabrics and fat skis.
     
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    Yeah sorry I just can't bring myself to snowboarding in pissing down rain anymore - been there, done that, don't need to do it anymore. Absolute waste of cash if you ask me. Better off having a down day if you can help it.
     
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  38. was June daily watching

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    It's a nice thought, but it's still horrible skiing in the wet.
    Perhaps we'll all be in the bar with Legs.
     
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    Which would not be a day on skis, hence a bad day! Point still stands!
     
  40. Rush

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    That's OK, that leaves me to do laps of great terrain with no crowds. Some of my best days on skis in Oz have been in the wet, especially when you book a group lesson and you're the only guy who turns up so you and your instructor just go crazy for an hour on the empty runs.

    Skiing is an outdoor sport you know ;)

    There is a fine line b/w 'skiing in the rain' and 'skiing in the sleet/graupel'. I mean you get wet either way, but if you stopped skiing in Australia every time the precipitation wasn't perfectly formed snow crystals you'd never get out of bed in July.
     
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    True, I had an excellent afternoon skiing up high in fresh, but had to get on the lift in the rain.
     
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    Skiing in actual pouring rain is dreadful. One year at Buller we got completely soaked, we were ringing out our gloves on the chair and puddles of water were forming in our laps.
     
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  43. was June daily watching

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    I once, luckily only once, had to watch the millennial racing in the rain.
    The poor little buggers had a difficult time of it, but at least they had something to do.
    I was just getting saturated.
     
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    Only once? It's pretty much been an every year occurrence for me (at least once a season)!
     
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    That's fine, it's the pouring with rain from top to bottom that isn't
     
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    I'll concede that ;) but only now that I'm old..
     
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    some meaningless stats for some arbitrary perspective

     
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    Joisus. That's not a perspective I like. I remember 2006, skiing BC in the July school holidays. There was no skiable natural snow.
     
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    Good god
     
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    Wow, that makes 2006 look better than I remember it being!
     
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